Hi guys,

I hope you don't mind me posting this here, but I feel more people read this forum than the hardware/software forums, so that I can get my LAN driver issue resolved faster.

Basically I'm having trouble installing the LAN driver for my new motherboard, and until I get this solved, I have no internet access. And in effect, any sims that need to be reactivated through the internet don't work. (Live For Speed included). (I'm posting this from my Laptop LOL).

When I go to install the LAN driver (and it is the latest version), it says it has installed it. But then, when you go to the Device Manager, it still has a yellow question mark over the LAN Device.

Try to install any wireless LAN devices, and they don't do anything, because the LAN driver doesn't install.

Anyway, hope someone can help me. I'm sure others have dealt with this issue before, and hopefully someone has a basic procedure that works, that I can follow to get my LAN driver installed properly. So I can start driving Live For Speed again. :-)

System specs:


Windows XP Pro with SP2 (won't be installing SP3, read several times that it only slows things down and doesn't really give any useful updates) :-)
ASRock AM2V890-Vista Motherboard
AMD Athlon64 X2 6000+ CPU with Arctic Cooler 64 Pro cooling fan
Corsair Dual-Channel RAM (4 Gigabytes)
OCZ 600 Watt Power Supply
Belkin Wireless LAN device USB (have a PCI one as well, neither will work, until the LAN driver gets installed. They worked fine before the computer upgrade.)
Acer 22" widescreen monitor
Logitech G25 wheel
GPL, RBR, GTR2, rFactor, Live For Speed, and Netkar Pro

Any info I'm missing that would be helpful, just let me know, and I'll post it.

Thanks so much for the help. And again, sorry if I shouldn't have posted this in this forum. But I really want to get this solved.

Best Regards,
Aly

Last edited by Flight, Mon 12 Oct 2009, 15:37.

I think I'm very late to the party, but if there are still some chips, count me in.

Best Regards,
Aly

Quote from ATHome :

Just to correct my idea, reversing FFB in LFS isn't possible anymore.

But I am quite sure that it was reversible once.

Thanks ATHome, much appreciated.

Aly

Quote from JTbo :

For example when I was about to lock or lock wheels at braking I could feel change in force feedback. Also when car did shake like crazy I did felt it in wheel, now nothing, nada, zero, there is just very rarely some very short effect from rumble strips, nothing like before. Now there is wheel turning at turns at different strength based to weight transfer. Sometimes rarely I get small effect from bump or rumble strip, but very rarely, no matter how hard my car does shake etc.


It is now more than year since I sold my wheel so can't really test again to refresh my memories and do scientific analysis from what is different in certain situation, but trust me that there is huge difference.

I forgot to mention in post 18, (when I had the Formula Force wheel hooked up again) that there was an oscillation with the older wheel that isn't there in the G25. I'm not sure if this is what gave us the impression that there was more going on. It's like a side to side oscillation when you turn the wheel a little sharply at high speed.

Also though, I noticed that just once when I came into the left-right chicane at Aston National in the Formula XR, that the OLD wheel did pull the proper way in a slight opposite lock situation, which did feel very realistic. I'll spend some more time with the G25 and see if I feel that happen, but so far I haven't felt it do that.

EDIT: Just took some more laps in the Formula XR, and a few in the XR GTR, and I was able to recreate the opposite lock pull with the G25. So it's cool.

Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 23:48.

Well guys,

Just to test if what I was feeling with my new G25 was right, I took some time and hooked up my old LWFF (Formula Force). (I made sure to uninstall the 5.00 software and re-install the older 4.25 wingman software).

Fired up LFS and I confess that the old Formula Force wheel does exactly the same thing as the G25. No rumble strips unless you're pointing straight ahead. I guess I just never noticed it.

So, I apologize for bringing all this up. I admit I was wrong.

I've now reinstalled my G25 again, and it does feel better in LFS, since the feedback force itself is stronger than the old wheel.

I must just be really tired today. LOL And I think when we get a new product like this, our minds project an expectation on them to be a million times more amazing then the stuff we've used before. Especially when we spend close to 300 dollars on it!

The G25 is definitely worth the investment though. It is an improvement over the LWFF (Formula Force). It definitely takes some getting used to though. And I'm glad I hooked up the older wheel for a few minutes just to see how much better the new wheel is.

Thanks for all the help guys, and again, sorry about this,
Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 23:49.

Quote from JTbo :

I have suffered perhaps from same issue with my dfp, before with MSFF wheel it was ok. I always thought that it is something else, but it really seem to be just like you say, when wheel is turned there are no rumble strip effects at all.

Forces that I do feel are very rarely some bumps and rublestrips, then weight transfer. That is it, nothing else.

There was ton more with MSFF wheel.

Thanks JTbo for responding.

Well, it looks like I'm not the only one then. It seems that the LFS software has not been properly configured for the DFP and G25 wheels...since you and I both felt, as you mentioned, a ton more effects/immersion with our older wheels (Logitech Wingman Formula Force and Microsoft Sidwinder Force Feedback wheel).

Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 22:45.

I'm just trying to figure out why LFS felt so immersive and commincative with my eight year old LWFF (Formula Force), and not with my new G25....when the G25 is supposed to be a much more advanced wheel, especially when it comes to the force feedback (even though the Formula Force had the great cable system). But the G25 feels very good with other sims. RBR and Netkar Pro especially feel VERY immersive and communicative. And you feel all the rumble strips strongly in Netkar Pro with the G25.

Why would I feel rumble strips and more of the interaction between the tires and the road with the Formula Force, and not feel them with the G25? We're talking about the same simulator and simulator software.

And, as I mentioned, I just tried my G25 out in Netkar Pro for the first time 10 minutes ago, and it felt amazing.

This is only a LFS issue I'm having, and only with the G25 (not with the old Formula Force).

So there's got to be some settings that can be tweaked somewhere in LFS that will make the force feedback more COMMUNICATIVE with the G25.

Hopefully we can figure this out.
Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 21:23.

Quote from (SaM) :

Try lowering it, see if there are any differences.

Just tried it...I didn't feel any difference in feel between 128 and 256.

I really want to try reversing the force feedback effects though. Hopefully someone can tell me where this setting is in LFS.

Appreciating all the help in trying to figure this out,
Aly

Quote from (SaM) :

Oh wait, it is the other way around, well yes, then it is a peculiar matter.

There's a possibility it has something to do with your FFB settings in Windows.
As my DFP is currently opened up and in heaven, I can't make a screenshot, but using the following settings is recommended:

Master FFB strength: 101%
Then the 2 settings below at 100%
Set centering force to 0% but enable it.

Also, what are your FF Step Num settings in cfg.txt?

Hey Sam,

Tried all these settings already. And checked the FF Step Num setting, and it's at 256.


Aly

Quote from ATHome :

You don't sound like someone who would forget about that, but just for a check:

Are you sure your FFB works in the right direction ? Because you could let the FFB work in the wrong direction and that gives a weird feeling to the wheel.

So in LFS check the direction the FFB is working

Hi ATHome

This is actually a VERY good suggestion, as it has been an issue I've had to tweak in the ISI based sims. Not only checking the box to reverse effects, but making sure the damper setting in the GTL, GTR2, and RFactor controller.ini files was set to NEGATIVE (-1.00000) as well. Otherwise there's a gap at the center where you don't feel any forces.

I didn't think of checking it in LFS (reversing effects), because I thought it was only an issue in ISI based sims.

I just looked through the LFS controller settings page but didn't see where to "reverse" the effects. Would you know where I can find that setting? Because something tells me you've hit the nail on the head.

Oh, and by the way, I just tried my G25 for the first time in Netkar Pro, and it felt amazing. Very immersive and communicative, and I felt the rumble strips very nicely whether the wheel was turned or not.

So this is definitely a LFS only issue I'm having.

Thanks,
Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 20:50.

Quote from (SaM) :

That's normal. It has to do with the 2 FFB motors that fall in a gap where the spool can't shake the magnet wich shakes the wheel. I had it with a DFP and other wheels too.
(Though it wasn't really that noticable as the 'gap' was very small.)

Thanks for responding Sam.

I'm curious of two things though. Why isn't this an issue in GTL, GTR2, or RFactor? Is it because the rumble effects in those sims are "canned" as people like to put it?

And let's put it another way...lack of feeling rumble strips aside...

With all the tweaking I've tried in the control panel and in LFS, Why is my G25 not telling me when the front or rear tires are losing traction like my old Formula Force wheel did?

Thanks,
Aly

Hi Guys,

I just got my G25 last week, and have been configuring it pretty successfully for the 8 sims I drive regularly (GPL, GTL, GTR2, RFactor, LFS, RBR, Netkar PRO, and NR2003).

I've been reading through every discussion on here about the G25 and Force Feedback settings for LFS, but haven't seen the issue I'm having mentioned exactly. I've tried every setup configuration mentioned in those threads, for the control panel and in the LFS settings page.

The issue I'm having is that I'm only feeling the rumble strips if the wheel is centered (car pointing straight ahead). If I drive over a rumble strip while the wheel is turned to any degree off center (2 degrees to 90 degrees and beyond), I don't feel the rumble strip. I'm also not feeling the "train tracks" on the bridge at Fern Bay. With my old Wingman Formula Force (old red), I felt the rumble strips strongly and consistently, as well as the train tracks, and I felt very immersed in Live For Speed.

I also feel like my G25 is not telling me when the front or rear tires are losing traction too well. Again, this was something the Formula Force's feedback "reported" very well. The force feedback on my G25 is strong, but it's not giving me the real feedback I'd like to feel, to tell me what the car is doing. So far the tire/road interaction felt more realistic in LFS with my Formula Force than with the G25.

I feel like a big part of the immersion from the force feedback is missing. Can someone who has figured these issues out perhaps offer some ideas, please.

I've tried every setting between 180 and 900 degrees of rotation, centering spring on and off (with slider at 0), spring forces at 101 and at 0, damper setting at 101 and at 0, overall effects strength at 100 and at 101.

I've tried all the different controller settings suggested within LFS as well. Still no rumble on the strips unless the wheel is pointing straight ahead. I've checked the cfg.txt file in the main LFS folder, and FF Steps is set at 256 as someone suggested to check.

The G25 is giving me a lot of feedback to tell me what the car is doing in other sims (especially in RBR, and with some tweaking in GPL, RFactor, GTL, and GTR2). I haven't tried it with Netkar Pro or NR2003 yet.

But I'd really like to be able to figure this out for LFS, rather than switching back to my Formula Force just to drive LFS! LOL The force feedback in LFS is known to be some of the best in any of the great sims, and I know this first hand from driving it for years with my Formula Force. I'd like that same great feedback with my G25. So I hope someone can help me.

Thanks so much,
Aly

Last edited by Flight, Tue 27 Feb 2007, 20:30.