Quote from Kim Gripping :

Why would anyone cheat in LFS? I never got to understand that. Nothing that needs to be unlocked, and nothing good comes out of it.

because they cant win any other way? some people are screwed up in the head remember

The devs don't actually run servers, we do it in the community. The devs give us the means to run our own races, leagues, teams and so on, but it's us that actually DO those things.

It might sound odd, coming from a guy that everyone knows is mega-anti-wrecker/cheat, but I honestly don't think it's the dev's problem (except in really extreme circumstances, and I don't know of any examples of those).. it's our problem, in the community, to police our own environment.

There is an automated system which warns people who repeatedly get banned from servers by email, and in worst-case scenarios it imposes bans. That SUPPORTS us in our efforts, but I don't think it's intended to be the one-stop-shop for all wreckers. That's our baby, to make it "socially unacceptable".

We, "the people", can ban anyone we want from our servers. We can choose to race on wrecker/cheat-protected servers, or admin'd servers, or both. We have the choice to race with the bad guys or not. We have the tools, and all we need is the presence of mind to use them.

Sorry but, if there is a cheat on the game, its because there is failure somewhere in the game, its not the comunity job to stop cheaters, but we do it anyway because we like here, and we wouldnt want to see it go down stairs (i would hate to see that). Its the Devs job to stop cheaters.

Edit: that didnt sound anywhere near as i thought it would, i mean to say in a nice way, thats it the Devs job to do it, but we (at least me) would love and do anything to help the Devs to stop the cheating.

Quote from _rod_ :

Sorry but, if there is a cheat on the game, its because there is failure somewhere in the game, its not the comunity job to stop cheaters, but we do it anyway because we like here, and we wouldnt want to see it go down stairs (i would hate to see that). Its the Devs job to stop cheaters.

Sorry.. I didn't explain myself properly. I was specifically referring to the "punishment" of cheaters/wreckers, and the suggestion that their licences be revoked when caught. I wasn't referring to blocking vulnerabilities in the program itself.. we can't do that part in the community

Oh ok, that i agree . And i just realised that i miss read your post also.. i should know better

We're both on the same page.. I just spilled coffee on mine, that's all

I understand you Sammy my dear nibbler boy you. I think that was very eloquently put and I whole heartedly agree. Cheaters come from within the community so, unless it is a serious esploit, coding or somesuch bug, then it is up to us to make cheating a 'bad' thing.

But having said that, it's the same with suicide bombers. If someone wants to do it, they will find a way of doing it. You can't protect everyone all of the time, it's just impossible. What you can do is minimise the risk as Sammy said, just play on protected servers that have good security measures in place, empty all your pockets before hand and don't try and take your Zippo lighter that was given to you by your daughter for fathers day (Inscribed and everything) onto the plane. Even if it is the only lighter you have on you. The guys with guns don't like it when you get a bit upety. They don't have much of a sense of humour.

But anyway, yes. We should play on well admined, well policed servers that play an intergral role in keeoing cheating to a minimum. Prehaps we should instigate an Fight Against Cheating Office (or F.A.C. Off).

It's up to us, it's up to you . . . .

There were a few hosts online that were still not protected against the recent cheat.

It's possible that is the reason why there was some cheating still seen after the patch U20 release (when cheat protection was also added to S, T, U, U19 and U20 hosts).

I've now added protection to the remaining hosts and I hope that will finally stop the current cheat. For that reason I will now close this thread to avoid confusion.

If you do see a definite cheating incident online again please save the replay and let us know which host you saw it on.