Quote from EeekiE :

That's just been pulled out of your rectum right there. I'm sure I could find plenty of people from both sides, that fit both descriptions. Most of the NASCAR fans I've met on generic international car forums like Streetfire or even eBaums have been FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from all-round motorsport fans. Take a look.

Well of course you can find people from both sides that fit both descriptions :rolleyes:

But most NASCAR Fans do also follow Road Racing, even NASCAR itself has Road Racing, while alot (that doesnt mean all or close to all) Road Racing Fans especially in Europe do not follow Oval Racing, infact alot of them are F1-only watchers.

Yes but, alot (that doesnt mean all or close to all) of Oval Fans especially in America do not follow anything but Oval Racing, infact alot of them are Oval-only watchers.

It works exactly both ways. No-one is hard done by.

who says they are all from america? You got to remember stock car racing is popular in Canada (cascar), mexico (corona series) and australia too. Therefore ovals are popular there.

Quote from EeekiE :

Yes but, alot (that doesnt mean all or close to all) of Oval Fans especially in America do not follow anything but Oval Racing, infact alot of them are Oval-only watchers.

It works exactly both ways. No-one is hard done by.

NASCAR is Racing on Road Courses, IndyCar is Racing on Road Courses and also Champ Car is Racing on Road courses.

Despite of that your missing the point. The question was about bashing other types of Motorsports.

What point? You said most oval fans respect other forms of motorsport, while fans of others don't and just bash Oval out of ignorance.
I'm saying I've met more die-hard Oval fans on none race sim forums who are just as ignorant to other forms of motorsport and claim Oval is the most demanding. The same goes for drag, and the same will go, as you say to die-hard F1 fans etc etc. It's the same with everything. Oval fans are no exception.
I've had a guy try to explain to me Drag is the most extreme form of racing as they have the most HP and they reach the highest speeds. When I mention that other forms of racing also demand you learn lines, braking points, fuel mangement etc they've gone on to tell me how important the burn out is before a run, and how it must be just right. You get it everywhere, against any sport. Oval isn't the only one targetted.

Quote from lizardfolk :

who says they are all from america? You got to remember stock car racing is popular in Canada (cascar), mexico (corona series) and australia too. Therefore ovals are popular there.

Last time I checked, Cascar has never been really popular in Canada. In fact, Nascar is probably more popular than Cascar here; Cascar just looks too much like the crappy series made out of Nascar's product. If you list sports in USA, Nascar will probably come 2nd or something, in the top 5 for sure. Cascar in Canada? Probably after Fishing

Cascar = lower than Soccer(football for crazy brits) in canada.

On thing that you have to admit about nascar and indy. The leader changes during racing. Not during pitting as it does in f1.

Tried to watch f1 after a three year pause because Schumacher left but it was the same old poo. Räikkönen led from start to finish. boooooooooooring

So what if he is a fin like me? Still boring. Ok I believe it takes a lot of skill to drive that fast around a track but for all I care they could drive the whole race behind the pacecar. It would propably be just as exiting.

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Quote from March Hare :

On thing that you have to admit about nascar and indy. The leader changes during racing. Not during pitting as it does in f1.

Tried to watch f1 after a three year pause because Schumacher left but it was the same old poo. Räikkönen led from start to finish. boooooooooooring

So what if he is a fin like me? Still boring. Ok I believe it takes a lot of skill to drive that fast around a track but for all I care they could drive the whole race behind the pacecar. It would propably be just as exiting.

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that's not always true with nascar although it is usually true with F1 (2005 season?)

I was also told by someone that stock car racing has a big fan base in Canada. Oh, well.

BTW Cascar fire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojp58qigt1o

Quote from March Hare :

On thing that you have to admit about nascar and indy. The leader changes during racing. Not during pitting as it does in f1.

Tried to watch f1 after a three year pause because Schumacher left but it was the same old poo. Räikkönen led from start to finish. boooooooooooring

So what if he is a fin like me? Still boring. Ok I believe it takes a lot of skill to drive that fast around a track but for all I care they could drive the whole race behind the pacecar. It would propably be just as exiting.

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Yep, F1 has been like that for years now. The cars are just too good and too fast to allow racing, its really a hotlap sport. It takes huge skill to drive an F1 fast and as mach as I hate the shoe maker I can't deny he is one of the best. That said it's just so boring to watch.

When I moved to NZ I found the Aussie V8's, finally a motor sport worth watching

Paint swapping action where people overtake. The cars are big lumbering tanks with massive blocks that need to run 5 deg camber on the front wheels so they can turn a corner. Run these monsters for 1000Km round the mental track that is Bathurst and you get the perfect race

Quote from EeekiE :

What point? You said most oval fans respect other forms of motorsport, while fans of others don't and just bash Oval out of ignorance.
I'm saying I've met more die-hard Oval fans on none race sim forums who are just as ignorant to other forms of motorsport and claim Oval is the most demanding. The same goes for drag, and the same will go, as you say to die-hard F1 fans etc etc. It's the same with everything. Oval fans are no exception.
I've had a guy try to explain to me Drag is the most extreme form of racing as they have the most HP and they reach the highest speeds. When I mention that other forms of racing also demand you learn lines, braking points, fuel mangement etc they've gone on to tell me how important the burn out is before a run, and how it must be just right. You get it everywhere, against any sport. Oval isn't the only one targetted.

I know Hundreds of NASCAR Fans Online for years, and I have NEVER EVER seen a Oval Fan bashing Road Racing. But I have seen countless times some foolish Road Racing Fans thinking Oval Racing doesnt demand any skill, is easy, boring and just bash it altogether.
Thats why the question was raised.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

I know Hundreds of NASCAR Fans Online for years, and I have NEVER EVER seen a Oval Fan bashing Road Racing. But I have seen countless times some foolish Road Racing Fans thinking Oval Racing doesnt demand any skill, is easy, boring and just bash it altogether.
Thats why the question was raised.

Same here (which is why I raised the question in the first place) but I guess I'm lucky and don't go on the boards with ignorant oval racing fans.

Also, I never said that oval lovers never bash road racing, i just said that I rarely see it. That is just my personal observation and, admittedly, a little ignorant on my part.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

Racing in an Oval needs alot of skill, thats why F1 drivers struggle there.

*coughNigelMansellcough*

[quote=lizardfolk;372560]Drag is hard on the mechanic, but not the driver./quote]You obviously have never raced anything in the 11 second or less range. Drag racing is a LOT harder than people who haven't done it seem to think. You don't just mash the gas and steer in a straight line. There are a ton of nuances that can seriously affect performance or send you into the wall (or the other lane). Drag racing is something that PC sims have never modeled well because they do not take into account changing track conditions, different traction for each tire, different traction out of the groove, etc.

Drag racing is not as physically demanding as road racing, since you're not strapped in a 130* car for two hours straight. But it still takes a ton of skill (unless you're racing your mom's Honda) and you can lose the whole race in the blink of an eye. One mistake and your race is over. There is no chance to come back for a win and no way to make up the lost time.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

I know Hundreds of NASCAR Fans Online for years, and I have NEVER EVER seen a Oval Fan bashing Road Racing. But I have seen countless times some foolish Road Racing Fans thinking Oval Racing doesnt demand any skill, is easy, boring and just bash it altogether.
Thats why the question was raised.

I don't think that most road race fans really believe that oval racing doesn't take skill. It obviously does. But that doesn't mean it isn't boring to some people.

Making a perfect banzai tree takes a lot of skill, but you won't catch me watching it on TV.

Yes Nigel the Lion Mansell won the F1 Championship AND the CART Championship. He also managed to win 3 Oval Races which was an amazing archivement.

Montoya is also a CART Champion and also a Indy 500 Winner, he has yet to come close to win a NASCAR Cup Race, but he is doing good so far.

Yes but you seem to be suggesting the reason is that NASCAR is more challenging than F1 when you mention all the ex-F1 drivers that have moved into it. How many NASCAR drivers have moved into F1 and been successfull?

Ok, so if Nascar is considered more "challenging", i just think more competitive, then why would nascar drivers switch over to F1? Doesn't make sense, who would want to switch to a less competitive type of racing?

Quote from EeekiE :

Yes but you seem to be suggesting the reason is that NASCAR is more challenging than F1 when you mention all the ex-F1 drivers that have moved into it. How many NASCAR drivers have moved into F1 and been successfull?

Well, no oval driver has moved into F1(to my knowledge), so there is no way to tell if they would be successfull. Jeff Gordon took a spin in an
F1 car a couple of years ago and was running competitive laps fairly quickly. If any oval driver has moved to F1, please tell me about it.
I would be very interested.

More compedative? EXACTLY. It's not just Nascar alone but all stock car racing.

In road course racing it is INCREDIBLY easy to fall behind, and once that happens you really do not race against very much people.

In nascar or stock car racing, it's an oval. You almost always see or racing against a ton of people. (superspeedways are not included) No matter how slow you are going. This is the fun in oval.

Quote from EvilVendingMachine :

Well, no oval driver has moved into F1(to my knowledge), so there is no way to tell if they would be successfull. Jeff Gordon took a spin in an
F1 car a couple of years ago and was running competitive laps fairly quickly. If any oval driver has moved to F1, please tell me about it.
I would be very interested.

Not in F1, but I've know people in Nascar that moved to road courses before. I can name a few right now. Tony Steward (but he likes ovals the best because of the competition), Boris Said and Robby Gordon.

And yes Jeff Gordon was running quite well in F1 when he first tried it. That surprised me greatly. But of course, Gordon isen't doing too well in Nascar right now and he wants to win a few more champions before going into F1.

Quote from lizardfolk :

Not in F1, but I've know people in Nascar that moved to road courses before. I can name a few right now. Tony Steward (but he likes ovals the best because of the competition), Boris Said and Robby Gordon.

And yes Jeff Gordon was running quite well in F1 when he first tried it. That surprised me greatly. But of course, Gordon isen't doing too well in Nascar right now and he wants to win a few more champions before going into F1.

Please lizardfolk, you are starting to make yourself look bad here....

Tony Stewart (2nd time correction here on your spelling of his name ) comes FROM running sprint cars and Indy cars. THEN he got into Nascar. Boris Said comes FROM road course racing, THEN he got into Nascar. And finally, Robby Gordon came FROM Baja racing and, did he do Indycar? I think. THEN he got into Nascar.

Jeff Gordon was NOT running quite well in F1, because he has never run in F1. He had driven an F1 car on the track, but had never run in F1 racing.

Quote from mrodgers :

Please lizardfolk, you are starting to make yourself look bad here....

Tony Stewart (2nd time correction here on your spelling of his name ) comes FROM running sprint cars and Indy cars. THEN he got into Nascar. Boris Said comes FROM road course racing, THEN he got into Nascar. And finally, Robby Gordon came FROM Baja racing and, did he do Indycar? I think. THEN he got into Nascar.

Jeff Gordon was NOT running quite well in F1, because he has never run in F1. He had driven an F1 car on the track, but had never run in F1 racing.

LOL ok sorry my bad I'm slightly drunk now dont pay attention to anything i say today.....in fact i think i'll go to sleep.

BTW when i said he ran well i was talking about the laptimes

Quote from lizardfolk :

but for those of use who live in the American continents (American, Canada, Mexico). It'd be a nice addition.

LIES! don't listen to him!