Will there be a CoT (car of tomorrow, (the new sports car like Nascar)) or atleast a stock car addition in Live for Speed. I know most people here probably dont like stock car, but for those of use who live in the American continents (American, Canada, Mexico). It'd be a nice addition.

It'll even be great to have a stock car league.

1. Buy license

2. select car XRR

3. select track KY Oval

There is your nascar.

Quote from March Hare :

1. Buy license

2. select car XRR

3. select track KY Oval

There is your nascar.

that doesn't come close to a nascar car or a stock car in general...

Closest well get..

Wow that's like retro nascar LOL.

Well I wish there'd be more oval tracks.

We have some really great tracks in LFS, but KY Oval is a sad excuse for an Oval Track.

It's got 3 banked left turns. That pretty much sums up an oval track IMO. What else do you want to add character (apart from right turns )?

Even though I'll never understand the appeal of oval racing, I'll +1 your rubbish stock car to show what a benevolent chap I can be when I'm under quite heavy sedation.

+1

But only if we get the LX8 too.

what about LX55 5.5liter 55cylinder engine

I believe that CoT should not...but rather the NORMAL nascar...

Billions of People watch NASCAR...NASCAR makes up i believe 65% of Racing's Viewers...

Something similar to NASCAR should be introduced....

and to the guy that said something about the XRR...the XRR is NOTHING like NASCAR...NASCAR's dont have RICE wing's on the back. and Kyoto is an extremely sorry excuse for an oval...it has 6 turns, rather than 4...all these 1:00.00+ tracks...maybe you should put something like BRISTOL in...a half-mile oval...33 degrees of banking...

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Billions of People watch NASCAR...NASCAR makes up i believe 65% of Racing's Viewers...

Billions?

NASCAR has a bigger worldwide audience than F1?

65% of American viewers I can believe. LFS is International, however, and US racers are in the minority. The devs plan is to simulate all forms of racing, they've added an oval, I'm sure at some point we'll get a car worth driving around it. Would be pointless not to.

Also, I never knew Kyoto had 6 turns... Where have I been driving?

Ok for those of you who think all nascar ovals are all the same......all i have to say is wow.....wow....and WOW.

But of course this is expected, most road course wringers are so ignorant to ovals that they tend to just view then as circles and nothing else.

Look at Atlanta, Talladega, Pocono, and Bristol......race a few laps and come back and tell me that they are the same -_-.

Ovals look boring. However the excitement is not in the track itself, but the competition from other cars. How is this different from road courses? In a road course the cars spread out really quickly and in the end you normally race against 3,4 mabey 5 cars within 2 seconds of each other.

In Ovals and Nascar, you race against 10 cars going 3-4 wide on an oval all within 2 seconds of each other constantly. Just being in that giant pack is fun as hell. (In Talladega, the cars never break off so the pack is usually 43 cars within 5 sec of each other).

Funny story, I was racing in a Nascar league and there was one race where I was in an entire pack the entire race. In the end I said to my team manager, "HEY I FINISHED WITHIN 3 SECONDS OF THE LEADER." My manager said, "ya, but u finished 24th -_-" LOL.

Quote from TomShanK :

I believe that CoT should not...but rather the NORMAL nascar...

Billions of People watch NASCAR...NASCAR makes up i believe 65% of Racing's Viewers...

Something similar to NASCAR should be introduced....

and to the guy that said something about the XRR...the XRR is NOTHING like NASCAR...NASCAR's dont have RICE wing's on the back. and Kyoto is an extremely sorry excuse for an oval...it has 6 turns, rather than 4...all these 1:00.00+ tracks...maybe you should put something like BRISTOL in...a half-mile oval...33 degrees of banking...

There is no such thing as a "normal" nascar. Normal nascar is now CoT. Nascar is STOCK CAR RACING. So it should be rephrased into "add stock car racing".

Remember Nascar is not the only stock car racing, it's just the biggest and the most popular.

Dont forget Cascar (canada), Corona Series (mexico), ARCA, USAR, and Australian Stock Car racing. They are all stock car racing but not all of them are Nascar.

Nascar=Nextel Cup, Busch Cup, Craftsmen Truck Series, Cascar, Corona Series. Nascar is only a form of stock car racing.

I would like a more stock car orientated car, rather the GTR Cars we have now.

Rather a XRS (XF Stock), 4 Liter V8, 400 Horses, which imo, could be a suitable cover for a stock car

FYI guys, stock car racing also have some time on the road courses (nascar: Watkins Glen, Infinion)

Why not the CoT? The CoT looks so cool: http://www.wcoy.com/car-of-tomorrow.jpg

If u want traditional stock car racing, then it's best if u'd model the USAR cars.

Yep, I think LFS needs a Stockcar and a short oval to kickstart LFS in the US, KY Oval is a bit long.

The Car of Tomorrow looks like a FZR with a smaller wing.

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Yep, I think LFS needs a Stockcar and a short oval to kickstart LFS in the US, KY Oval is a bit long.

Something like Bristal

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Why not the CoT? The CoT looks so cool: http://www.wcoy.com/car-of-tomorrow.jpg

Matter of taste I guess. I think it's hideous.

Quote from joen :

Matter of taste I guess. I think it's hideous.

Agree with you there.

Woz - shorter oval = actually braking = actually interesting

Quote from lizardfolk :

Ovals look boring. However the excitement is not in the track itself, but the competition from other cars. How is this different from road courses? In a road course the cars spread out really quickly and in the end you normally race against 3,4 mabey 5 cars within 2 seconds of each other.

In Ovals and Nascar, you race against 10 cars going 3-4 wide on an oval all within 2 seconds of each other constantly. Just being in that giant pack is fun as hell. (In Talladega, the cars never break off so the pack is usually 43 cars within 5 sec of each other).

While I can agree the cars are closer, everything is relative. Just because they're closer doesn't make it easier to overtake, if anything that's a lot harder to achieve than in traditional circuit racing (correct me if I'm wrong there, I've only seen the occasional oval race, and probably never from start to finish). Rallying and hill climbing is IMO the most interesting racing to watch, and the cars are never together. And it's not because of the crashes either, it just looks so graceful and controlled, and you get a real feeling for speed going over bumpy ground down a track not twice as wide as the car (well, in places).

Sound is an interesting point, stock cars sound great with their V8s, but the engine note is so similar with little change in rpm and rare use of gear changes. A probably unjust comparison would be playing a Metallica track vs the middle 30 seconds on infinite loop. There's nothing like seeing a prototype appear from behind a rise, see the brakes glow orange as the car slows into Arnage, hearing the driver slowly feed the power through 1st and 2nd coming out of a chicane, struggling for traction, before howling off through the woods. Or hearing all the gears used as the car flys out of Tertre Rouge and eats up the Mulsanne Straight. Ahhh, heaven. I miss Le Mans.

I can imagine though that said short oval would be hell without some more smoothness packets available, like being able to set smoothness to 10...

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Woz - shorter oval = actually braking = actually interesting

The sort of track I am thinking is the sort where they claim there are 4 corners but infact is two short straights coupled with a 180deg corner. Yep, something where brakes matter.

That coupled with the of flintstone tech of Nascars (live rear) and its good fun. Trouble with ovals in LFS is not many understand how to race them so you get pile ups too often as people forget they are in a pack.

Quote from Woz :

The sort of track I am thinking is the sort where they claim there are 4 corners but infact is two short straights coupled with a 180deg corner. Yep, something where brakes matter.

That coupled with the of flintstone tech of Nascars (live rear) and its good fun. Trouble with ovals in LFS is not many understand how to race them so you get pile ups too often as people forget they are in a pack.

Point #1, you want Martinsville, the shortest of the Nascar tracks. 0.49 miles with ~1500 foot straights. IMO, it is the best track in Nascar, and a blast to drive in NR2003.

As for oval in LFS, it's not only that people don't understand how to race on an oval, but the aero physics is lacking. Perhaps it's because of car design, but with stockcars, you don't continuously slingshot past each other back and forth through the whole race. Both cars get an advantage during the draft. A line of 5 or 6 cars on a track like Kyoto (which essentially would drive much like Daytona) would pull away from a pack of cars running side by side. Even with the fact that the side by side cars are drafting the cars in front and behind. The front car should be getting a push from the cushion of air between them when in drafting. The way it is in LFS may be ok with open wheel cars, but the continuous slingshotting shouldn't happen with something that has a flatter front end (ie, a car with a bumper).