I downloaded bobs program to get rid of the extra passenger, it doesnt work the only setup i can use is the deafult hardtrack one, ive downloaded other setups but it wont let me use them is this problem going to be fixed, or am i just going to have to live with it.
i think i read somewhere that it is enough to just copy the faulty set and it should be good again. go into your garage, click on the set you want to copy, hit the button "new setup", give it a name and then try again.
I am sure there is a quicker way but 'copy' your favorite setup by starting with a default setup and change all the settings on the default to what your older setup had.
I suspect the passenger stripper I wrote has the same bug in it that VHPA did, which I fixed to get it working for patch Y. I'll look at fixing it in that little tool tonight.
Bob's fix is the 3rd party fix I was referring to...I'm not knocking the tool.
I'm pointing out that the problem with the passenger reading on CTRA servers is ridiculously stupid to the point that the check should be removed. I shouldn't need an extra 3rd party tool to fix a bug in X-System.
When I have to pick a different setup because the one that I've spent 3 hours working on won't work because the X-System is reading a passenger that isn't there, its aggravating as hell, and until they can get that check right (which, frankly, is a stupid check to begin with...passengers aren't providing an advantage), they need to remove it. You don't release buggy code to the public, and then ignore the problem. You don't say "just pick another setup". You fix the problem, or you remove the problem...
The bug isn't with the CTRA X-system. The passenger is saved in the setup and CTRA picks up on that. The bug is with LFS in two places:
1) Passengers are not forcibly removed from seats that don't exist
2) LFS does not check if the passenger seat exists when reporting if a passenger is in the seat, when submitting information over insim.
Then how come other servers who check for passengers don't have that problem?
On a fresh LFS install, the RACE_S setup on the XFG fails with the passenger error on CTRA server and not on other servers that check for passengers (with other methods?).
Regardless of the cause of the bug, its a bug...it disrupts gameplay negatively, and its intended purpose is rather weak to begin with...there is no reason they should choose to inconvenience so many people for such a small thing.
blah blah.. okay, as Bob says, it's not a fault with the X-System. It's a fault with older setups in LFS.
Secondly, it's a well known FACT that active wreckers like lots of passengers in their cars. It gives them more oomph when they're ramming you off the track at T1, for example.
Lastly, we expect a certain standard of race driving on our servers. We don't think you should be giving passengers a lift around when you're racing on our servers. We don't want it. It doesn't happen. You also have to race with a helmet and you can't wear a T-shirt. These are our regulations. Like or lump.
So, if a wrecker is there...and sees no passengers, he just says "darn, I guess I can't wreck here...guess I'll leave" ... right? No, they pick a non-passenger setup and wreck anyways. The Net effect? Nill.
"We don't think you should be giving passengers a lift around when you're racing on our servers." -- neither do I...and imagine that, my setups don't have extra passengers. You're detection (put the blame where you want it, it's still your detection) is flawed.
So in the end, you don't prevent wreckers or deter them, and you aggravate people for no reason. CTRA servers are full of people who just cant wait to tattle when someone does something wrong...if someone is driving with passengers, you can expect they would be reported promptly.
It's the reason I don't race on CTRA, and I enjoyed when I did race there, but my 2 best setups fail your test, even with the tool.
Which other server is detecting passengers, and managing to do it correctly? I'd like to know which other byte is giving the information, so I can use their method. Which? Do tell.
[edit] Forget it, I'm not interested in pandering to your tone. Don't let the passenger door hit you in the ass on the way out.
Look at (maybe) the DSR servers... or someone else.. I don't know the name of it... they somtimes run GTR classes (each car requiring certain handicaps), and sometimes they run uf1000, xfg, xrg ... with the latter 2 cars requiring intake handicaps. If you turn on passengers, it kicks back...if you turn them off, it doesnt...and the same setups that get me dropped on the ctra servers will work there.
Aren't you just full of yourself?
You're always insulting if anyone questions your precious system...You did a great job with it...but it has problems. It wouldn't be a problem but you willfully, intentionally ignore problems...you require someone to step up as a 3rd party to fix it. Class act.
I won't be back in here, and I won't be back in your servers. It's a shame, some good racers there, but being there is, by proxy, supporting you...
