Quote from TFalke55 :

... reminds me, today American Pie was in television here

hmmm just money making, like the guy whose girlfriend would upload naked photos of her self if a million visitors visit the site of the guy... or a couple who wanted to sprint naked all over the field of the Soccer/Football World Cup's finale. Misteriously these two sides disappeard after I was about the 499.000th visitor. I think there was some sort of sponsor who just gave money for every visit, and before they "have to do it" the site is offline, because they have enough money.

To the point that a male virgin is not a man... that's bullshit (please mark this day I use such a swearword!). It is such an stereotype... on my mind, a man is defined first by his feelings. If you're a Drag-Queen and you're feeling like a woman, you are a woman, out of my perspective, even if you fullfill all biological criterias of the other sex. Although the "sociaty" says something, it is not right all the time.

as long as you have that part of the male body your a man :P

Well you can see it that way:
If you're a virgin you still haven't fulfilled your evolutionary purpose...to reproduce. So it means that either you're ugly, and women instinctively don't want to have sex to pass on your genes, or you're in some way retarded and again for the same reason don't want to have sex with you...You should hold out for absolutely no reason except for personal complexes if you in your turn find a female that shows signs that she is fecondable(?) and would be a good raiser (why do you think men instinctively like big tits?)!

Nowadays these traits change form, beauty and intelligence becomes money and power...because they are much more useful in todays society...

I try not to generalise, but that is the norm want it or not...

All the rest about waiting till marriage are religious absurdities left overs, and making sure that the male won't run away after having spoiled the ''goods''. Or again, it's about personal complexes, thinking that once the woman will be married it will be too late to go back!

So if you want to, get laid, do it, do it safely, but there is absolutely no physical or psychological downfall afterwards I can guarantee you that. It's just nature! Plus I agree it's way overrated as an act, it's just a need, and love it's just another trick of nature to make you do it often! Although I'm one of the many people believing that humans are absolutely not monogamous...How else will you spread the good gene the most possible?

That's why I guess now that marriage is not a social obligation everybody gets divorces...

Well...voila, my opinion!

Quote from Jakg :

"the slutty ones"?

Well I've heard a slutty chick say that she likes virgin guys because they don't know what they're doing, and apparently it's funny to her. I am not saying that only slutty girls like virgin guys. That's probably what you thought I meant, but it's not what I meant.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

they have no idea what to do so although it is good, it is rubbish sex.

It's rubbish sex in your opinion. But when I do lose my virginity, I don't care how much experience they have had. All that matters is that both people feel sexually attracted towards one another. Also, it doesn't matter how many times someone has had sex, that doesn't make them any better at it. Technique has not entirely to do with experience.

Anyway, the original purpose of sex was to reproduce. Why do people like sex so much? Because it's the natural drive trying to get them to reproduce and expand the human species.

And, let me make an analogy between sex and driving cars. Just because you've been driving for 5 years doesn't mean that you are very skilled at it. Same with sex. Just because a person has been having sex for 5 years does not mean that they are better at it then someone who has not had sex before at all. Sure I'll be nervous when I lose my virginity, but I think I'll know what to do. It's not like you need to have sex to know about it.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

It's rubbish sex in your opinion. But when I do lose my virginity, I don't care how much experience they have had. All that matters is that both people feel sexually attracted towards one another. Also, it doesn't matter how many times someone has had sex, that doesn't make them any better at it. Technique has not entirely to do with experience.

No offence but you really can't say that without any experience (hint - your wrong).

Lets put it this way - the first time I drove a car I stalled. And then I was a bit rough and shaky at the controls - now I can do a pretty good effort and rarely make mistakes. In 5 years time I will be able to drive normally fine, and will be able to react better and even be able to enjoy some "spirited" driving.

The first time will be rubbish - and if it's both your first time it will be even worse.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

And, let me make an analogy between sex and driving cars. Just because you've been driving for 5 years doesn't mean that you are very skilled at it. Same with sex. Just because a person has been having sex for 5 years does not mean that they are better at it then someone who has not had sex before at all. Sure I'll be nervous when I lose my virginity, but I think I'll know what to do. It's not like you need to have sex to know about it.

Yes, but you sure as hell won't be as fast on a racing track as someone who's practiced it a lot...Many people may be bad at sex, but most are good, and experience counts...It's pretty crazy how each woman ticks with entirely different things...

I still remember my second girl...I had been with my first for 3 years, and almost all the knowledge that I had acquired was into the bin...gutted...

You´re going to be rubbish at anything at the first time. And sex is no exception.

Quote from wheel4hummer :

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Knowing about something and knowing how to do something are two very different things. I guarantee no matter how much you read about sex, or to keep your analogy going, driving, you will never be as good at it as someone who has been driving for 5 years. In tests you're only taught the basics, once you pass you learn to drive.

Technique, skill, whatever the hell you want to claim you can read about are no where close to actually doing it. It is one thing to be book smart on a subject, it is another to actually know how to do it.

Again, in case you missed it: Watching porn does not mean you'll be able to have good sex. Just like watching F1 or playing a driving sim does not mean you'll be able to drive. Period.

Sex in general makes me laugh, it gets over hyped so much by people everyone thinks "oh wow, sex, sounds like the most awesome thing ever!!11oneone" the truth it, it is better than jerking off but it isn't the best part of being in a relationship with someone on.

You get kids, mostly from deeply religious families/countries who see sex as the ultimate goal and say stupid shit like "I am going to wait until marriage until I have sex", **** that, try it, the first few times you'll think "wow, best thing ever" then you'll realise the only reason you enjoyed it so much is the closeness you get with that girl. But don't wait, or get married or any of that other BS.

That said someone once said to me "sex is like air, overrated until you're not getting any."

Quote from Jakg :

No offence but you really can't say that without any experience (hint - your wrong).

No, I can say whatever I want, actually.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

it isn't the best part of being in a relationship with someone on.

That's basically what I am trying to say. Sex isn't a goal. I'd like to have sex, but I would rather have a girlfriend who loves me and whom I love, but who doesn't want to have sex for some reason then no girlfriend at all.

Quote from Jakg :

The first time will be rubbish - and if it's both your first time it will be even worse.

Well not necessarily, you can be lucky and have the 16 year old corny-dawson's creek-I love you-sweat dripping sex and it will still be great. Although it probably helps if you've done most of the other stuff for some time with the girl to know what's going on...

Quote from wheel4hummer :

No, I can say whatever I want, actually.

Ok, but making sweeping statements about something you know nothing about doesn't really make you look good in a debate...

Quote from Jakg :

Ok, but making sweeping statements about something you know nothing about doesn't really make you look good in a debate...

How do I know you know anything about sex? Have I seen a video of you having sex? No. Not that I want to see a video of that, but I am taking your word for it that you have had sex before. For all I know you are a virgin. There is no way to tell if someone is a virgin or not in real life either. Without video proof. Except I don't care whether or not people are virgins. I don't tell people that they cannot voice their opinion because they haven't tried something yet. I haven't tried chopping my balls off with a sharp knife. But I'm pretty sure it would be rather unpleasant.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

Don't be silly, a virgin doesn't know what he is doing the same goes for virgin women, they have no idea what to do so although it is good, it is rubbish sex.

dont assume that everyone will do as badly as you did their first time

Quote from Paranoid Android :

Yes, but you sure as hell won't be as fast on a racing track as someone who's practiced it a lot

you realize that being fast is a bad thing when it comes to sex?

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I still remember my second girl...I had been with my first for 3 years, and almost all the knowledge that I had acquired was into the bin...gutted...

so you might as well have been a virgin

Quote from wheel4hummer :

I haven't tried chopping my balls off with a sharp knife. But I'm pretty sure it would be rather unpleasant.

But at the same time if doing said action didn't hurt, and many people had done it and realised it didn't hurt, you'd look like a bit of a tit if you kept saying it did hurt without actually trying...

EDIT - If you really really want video proof I'll find you some

I'd volunteer for the slave job if he is too scared.

Quote from Kalev EST :

You´re going to be rubbish at anything at the first time. And sex is no exception.

Bullshit. My first time, as soon as I shut the door I turned into Barry White. Oooohhhh baaaby....

Quote from Jakg :

you'd look like a bit of a tit if you kept saying it did hurt without actually trying...

But I never said sex hurts. Well actually, it depends what hole you use.

Quote from Paranoid Android :

Well you can see it that way:
If you're a virgin you still haven't fulfilled your evolutionary purpose...to reproduce. So it means that either you're ugly, and women instinctively don't want to have sex to pass on your genes, or you're in some way retarded and again for the same reason don't want to have sex with you...You should hold out for absolutely no reason except for personal complexes if you in your turn find a female that shows signs that she is fecondable(?) and would be a good raiser (why do you think men instinctively like big tits?)!

Do you think every girl that gets laid wants to get pregnant because you're good looking? I think because they want to have pleasure with a cool/good looking guy, and have a good time. Having a baby is a great responsability, and you only pass your genes when there's full commitment between girl and boy. And i personally dont like super big boobs, First the face, then the body (includes boobs(not too big)), then personality.

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Nowadays these traits change form, beauty and intelligence becomes money and power...because they are much more useful in todays society...

agree

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All the rest about waiting till marriage are religious absurdities left overs, and making sure that the male won't run away after having spoiled the ''goods''. Or again, it's about personal complexes, thinking that once the woman will be married it will be too late to go back!

Bullshit
For me is about personal complexes, and respect towards a girl.

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So if you want to, get laid, do it, do it safely, but there is absolutely no physical or psychological downfall afterwards I can guarantee you that.

if your girl get's pregnant? there's no psycho thing included?

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It's just nature! Plus I agree it's way overrated as an act, it's just a need,

True

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and love it's just another trick of nature to make you do it often!

Well, for me not, just for special times i'd say, and because love makes you respect her...

God, bunch of wankers here without girlfriends..

I lost my virginity at a joung age. So what? And it still doesnt make me feel more (man)?

16 to be precise...

That's actually not that young (i'd imagine that worringly the average age in UK teenagers atm is around 16...)

Quote from Jakg :

That's actually not that young (i'd imagine that worringly the average age in UK teenagers atm is around 16...)

Well, That guy (25 was he?) is still a virgin, what's wrong with that?

Here in Holland you can pay for having sex. So, not a big deal. Why is that guy holding it so long then? :P

Quote from Jakg :

That's actually not that young (i'd imagine that worringly the average age in UK teenagers atm is around 16...)

16 months maybe. I know there was a crazy young prostitute round here (I heard 12 to 14 years old depending who you talked to), that is when the police really started to come down hard on the trade.

Quote from Takumi_lfs :

Here in Holland you can pay for having sex. So, not a big deal.

Exactly. If I am still a virgin when I'm 25, I'll just go to Holland.

Quote from Jakg :

That's actually not that young (i'd imagine that worringly the average age in UK teenagers atm is around 16...)

Maybe because most of the teenagers in England are retarded and think it's cool to ride around on BMX bikes in hoodies stealing from One-Stop stores.

Quote from Lateralus :

Bullshit. My first time, as soon as I shut the door I turned into Barry White. Oooohhhh baaaby....

OH EM GEE!

We should totally start a club.

I read the thread title and associated sex-less people with driving Front Wheel Drive cars...