I'm looking for a new processor for around 70quid, because my processor is bad. To be quite frank. . It's an AMD Athlon 64 X2 dual core processor 3800+. Running at standard clock, 2ghz. So i have been looking on novatech.co.uk and this one is looking quite nice, and would fit my mobo. http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?AMD-X2M264. (X2 Dual Core AM2 Athlon 64 6400 3.2GHz 2x1MB)

Currently my system is:
AMD Athlon 3800 (2.00 ghz)
2gb RAM (DDR 2, afaik)
Nvidia Geforce 9500 GT
And some unknown powersupply, which is probably crap, but hasn't failed me yet.
And some 250gb Harddrive.
(On VISTA (and seriously considering going back to xp for better performance))

I figured that it would probably be best to upgrade the processor at this point, but i've also been thinking of getting some more RAM. And could probably get both if my dad feels generous

mh m8... ive got the Same Processor (1year ago) but it got 2,44Ghz standart...

It was an Amd Athlon 64bit X2 3800+ mh

Heiko you got a AMD Athlon 64 3800+ an not a X2

Are you sure you have the AM2 socket or the old 939?

If AM2 get a 6000+ x2, the 6400+x2 is way to expensive for the littleextra power.

Maybe you're right, but the more expensive 6400 Has 2x1mb Cache memory aswell as the faster standard clock. And it is only 12 quid more.

Or buy intel

Link from that novatech site? Would be appreciated, as dad and I don't have a clue about intels .
Cheers

Then get the 6400+ x2, it will give you a massive FPS boost in LFS. If you want to change to Intel (much more expensive):


http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?IL-E8400

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?ASU-P5QSE2

Intel have AMD pretty much licked in the multi-core sector, if not the entire CPU range, last time I checked.

AMD tends to be cheaper, but Intel is the choice of the enthusiast, although it's a fair old while since I've had my head stuck into CPU chips, so my opinion/experiences are a few months old.

That said, I bought a Q6600 in late 2007 and, if it were mated to a newer GFX card, would play any game very happily. I even think the Q6600 is pretty cheap now, and it's easily overclockable, rather easily.

You can get a dual core 2.5 GHz Intel Core 2 for £60 (E5200) now, so they really have AMD licked in every sector - the only issue is to swap you'd need a new mobo which wouldn't be cheap.

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Or buy intel

that would require a new motherbord, wouldnt it?

ocuk have the amd 7750 (duel core ) for £68.99 (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ ... mp;catid=6&subcat=803 ). not a bad chip indeed. and don't listen to a word those guys are saying. there isn't one game the intel guys can play that i couldn't on my 4800(duel core). lucky you didn't opt for a quad cuz it would of become alot more fun trying to tell intel owners that intel don't have a "true" quad (4 cores on one die).

Keep in mind that LFS makes only use of 1 core. So what you need is a powerful dual/quadcore that can offer enough power running on one core.

2.7 Ghz isn´t that much for an AMD single core, but Intel´s 3 Ghz are enough for single core operations. If you don´t want to overclock, go for the E8400, if you want to overclock get a E5200.

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Keep in mind that LFS makes only use of 1 core. So what you need is a powerful dual/quadcore that can offer enough power running on one core.

2.7 Ghz isn´t that much for an AMD single core, but Intel´s 3 Ghz are enough for single core operations. If you don´t want to overclock, go for the E8400, if you want to overclock get a E5200.

this post makes me feel glad i bought an e8400

at what stage did the OP say he was planning on getting an intel? he has £70. please show me where he will get a good intel and a motherboard (since he will need to upgrade his amd board) that will still be better than lets say the amd 7750 i posted?

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2.7 Ghz isn´t that much for an AMD single core, but Intel´s 3 Ghz are enough for single core operations. If you don´t want to overclock, go for the E8400, if you want to overclock get a E5200.

2.7Ghz isn't that much?

I was using an older AMD4200+ socket 939 (2.2Ghz) on Crysis and then upgraded to a Intel e6750 2.6Ghz, kept the same graphics card and it made no difference at all in FPS.

The OP does not cash for a new motherboard to go Intel so it can ONLY be AMD.

Looking at LFS and more 2.7Ghz will be more than enough, graphics cards are maxing out way before CPU's.

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2.7 Ghz isn´t that much for an AMD single core

Seeing as the fastest AMD single-core ever produced was 2.8 GHz, and the fastest stable speeds you could get out of the single-core chips was 3.1 GHz, i'd say 2.7 was pretty bloody fast...

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lucky you didn't opt for a quad cuz it would of become alot more fun trying to tell intel owners that intel don't have a "true" quad (4 cores on one die).

So? This has been going around for years but if I look at what other Quad I could of bought for £119, I can't seem to find anything as fast

Dadge it's called consideration for the future. What is the point in spending £80 now on a CPU only to find in 6 months it won't even run the most 'basic' of the next-gen software.. that's why I tend to upgrade once every couple of years, and when I do I spend £hundreds.

The dude should get an Intel CPU and Mobo, and so I think it'd be better for him to spend a bit extra and future proof his CPU somewhat.

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Dadge it's called consideration for the future. What is the point in spending £80 now on a CPU only to find in 6 months it won't even run the most 'basic' of the next-gen software..

That’s not even remotely going to happen, things don't move that fast, and if they did it means I'm ****ed as well because my e6750 just about matches the AMD 6400+.

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What is the point in spending £80 now on a CPU

he only has £70 to spend. not 80. not 60. £70.00

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only to find in 6 months it won't even run the most 'basic' of the next-gen software..

i smell bullshit there bud. sorry.

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that's why I tend to upgrade once every couple of years, and when I do I spend £hundreds.

and some people do it in dribs and drabs. kinda like get what you can when you can afford it.

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The dude should get an Intel CPU and Mobo, and so I think it'd be better for him to spend a bit extra and future proof his CPU somewhat.

ok. a small challenge for you. you have a budget of £70 with the same system as the OP. find an intel chip and board for within that budget. then do the same for amd. i think you'll find that for the money the op is spending and with the current hardware he has, staying with amd is the best option for him right now.

And this should be a thread to slag off Intel or AMD????? - help the lad out for goodness sake....

And stop talking Sh1t... lmao - 6 months...... For an amd chip to not run the next gen software....... now I know your full of cack. For the most, you talk as though your sat with your "shilalie" in one ahand and your quad core in the other, braging on about which one is biggest....

I sit on the sidelines and read most of this crap..... with out the need to respond, but come on.... it seems for what you know about this stuff..... your opininated, ill informed and place yourselves on pedestals, that you dont warrant.

Its about time you stopped offering advice (that is actually worthless) and got on with playing the game or games.....

I am sure you do it for attention. or flame bating.....

Come on - pull your head out of your back sides and go get a rub down.

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he only has £70 to spend. not 80. not 60. £70.00

Oh sorry I mis-read. We're only human after all. including you - But you knew exactly what I mean, stop being pedantic.

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i smell bullshit there bud. sorry.

Ok go find out how system intensive some of the newer games and apps are.. oh wait.

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and some people do it in dribs and drabs. kinda like get what you can when you can afford it.

Which is what I'm saying!

Why bother upgrading at the moment at all, if it's clearly an Intel market to be in at the moment. Upgrading to a "slightly" better AMD chip would be a waste of time and money.

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ok. a small challenge for you. you have a budget of £70 with the same system as the OP. find an intel chip and board for within that budget. then do the same for amd. i think you'll find that for the money the op is spending and with the current hardware he has, staying with amd is the best option for him right now.

As said, it's better for him to spend more and get a decent system that won't need another upgrade in 6 months or so.


Widdowmaker sorry you think AMD is so awesome, when it's quite clearly nowhere near in the CPU comparisons!

But anyway - It's his money and his decision. Let him buy what he wants, and in 6 months to a year, we'll all gather back round the table and see what's what!

You know your CPU is 2 years old, right?

Sorry for not replying - I actually ordered that CPU 2 weeks ago, and it seems that the supplier supplying novatech isn't in stock. So i might have to cancel the order or something, somehow. I'm just going to wait for now, though and see if they get stocked up.

My current PC runs all the games i want, just on petty settings and all i wanted to do was bring the settings up abit, and my CPU was the thing holding it back. I'm not looking to futureproof it that much. I don't mind running later games on low graphics settings.

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Seeing as the fastest AMD single-core ever produced was 2.8 GHz, and the fastest stable speeds you could get out of the single-core chips was 3.1 GHz, i'd say 2.7 was pretty bloody fast...So? This has been going around for years but if I look at what other Quad I could of bought for £119, I can't seem to find anything as fast

I meant you can´t expect the AMD to perform well as a single core in LFS at 2.7 Ghz.

I had a 3800+ @ 2.8 Ghz and it struggled in LFS driving in full field and Frames dropped to 25-35.

With my new E8400 3 Ghz, frames almost never go below 60. Low framerates are 55 FPS for 1-2 seconds now.