It means that some courses are far less diluted (in demand even) than others. Again you're using one not very representative case as an example for every course, and its not suprising that things turned out the way they did seeing as sales isn't a particularly academic career choice and I can't imagine Mexican-American relations is particularly high regarded degree.

Don't you think that in your desperation to discredit higher education you might be clutching at straws a bit?

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Don't you think that in your desperation to discredit higher education you might be clutching at straws a bit?

No one is discrediting higher-education. Certainly the growth of the internet has removed much of higher-educations USP - access to knowledge and resources - but no one is saying higher-education has no value. It may have reduced, but there is value there.

It's how education is funded is what is at the core of this 'debate'. The current and future situation for UK student removes much of the risk for students and thus allows academic inflation to occur. I personally don't think the state should intervene with higher-education as it distorts the market, and the benefits to society are grossly exaggerated as they never take into account hidden costs/lost opportunity.

But ideologies aside, the facts are that we can not continue to subsidise higher-education. It's really that simple. No sniping at students, no sniping at political motives, just plain hard facts - we have no money. I am surprised we can continue to spend money at the rate we do. And as I have said before on this thread, it won't be long before vast parts of the NHS are being sold off and people will have even less sympathy for students.

On top of all that, when governments subsidize higher education, universities simply raise their tuition rates because they know that they will get their money no matter what. As this has happened in America, college tuition rates have risen FAR higher than the rate of inflation over the last 30 years. Now that our government controls all student loans instead of just some, we can expect to see tuition rates rise dramatically.

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I don't, but then there are people who think all you need is experience, how do you get experience if you have nothing to start with?

I know many people who can't get a job with uber qualifications because they DON'T have experience. Experience is what employers really look for. It's true. They preferably want someone who can make them money as SOON as they join the company, not, in 2years time once they understand the system of how the particular company operates.

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I know many people who can't get a job with uber qualifications because they DON'T have experience. Experience is what employers really look for. It's true. They preferably want someone who can make them money as SOON as they join the company, not, in 2years time once they understand the system of how the particular company operates.

Exactly.

Infact my firm is just about to offer a job out to a degree student. She got the job by volunteering to work for a few months to get experience and we liked her (she literally never stops smiling) so we are giving her a wage and keeping her on as a trainee.

It will be a full professional position once she knows how to do the stuff her degree sadly hasn't prepared her for.

Just sayin'...

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Exactly.

Infact my firm is just about to offer a job out to a degree student. She got the job by volunteering to work for a few months to get experience and we liked her (she literally never stops smiling) so we are giving her a wage and keeping her on as a trainee.

It will be a full professional position once she knows how to do the stuff her degree sadly hasn't prepared her for.

Just sayin'...

I know alot of people that have come from UNI with degrees, or ND from college and they don't use them at all, where as people with no qualifications at all, even from school, are in a very well paid job.

It's all about getting yourself 'out there' and not assuming just because you don't have any qualifications you won't get a job, I think the way the young are taught these days is dire, mind you, the schools won't likely admit that qualifications aren't a complete necessity when finding a job. They help, but experience helps more, unless the job required demands a certificate, you will more likely get a job without the certificate and with experience than with the certificate and without experience to be honest.

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I know alot of people that have come from UNI with degrees, or ND from college and they don't use them at all, where as people with no qualifications at all, even from school, are in a very well paid job.

It's all about getting yourself 'out there' and not assuming just because you don't have any qualifications you won't get a job, I think the way the young are taught these days is dire, mind you, the schools won't likely admit that qualifications aren't a complete necessity when finding a job. They help, but experience helps more, unless the job required demands a certificate, you will more likely get a job without the certificate and with experience than with the certificate and without experience to be honest.

I have always long since held that view, but there are some exceptions...

I live near Cambridge which is of course a city with a famous historic university, and within Cambridge there are an aweful lot of companies started by former students who lacked the experience to get a job with their shiney new degree.

Needless to say companies that have been founded by people who have been taught that the money they where giving to their university had some value tend to want employee's who followed a similar life path.

2 Miles outside of Cambridge though and things are back to normal.

You understand that a lot of companies in Cambridge make millions using degree students, yes?

In fact, the Kinnect was largely developed in Cambridge by former Students of Cambridge University...

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You understand that a lot of companies in Cambridge make millions using degree students, yes?

Well, if those companies are so profitable, they won't mind investing in the students instead of everyone else. Simples! Lower business tax rates so they can invest their own money in worthy students and worthy courses. Much more efficient, cost effect, and productive.

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You understand that a lot of companies in Cambridge make millions using degree students, yes?

In fact, the Kinnect was largely developed in Cambridge by former Students of Cambridge University...

Also, between Cambridge and Wooley (just outside of Cambridge), the place where the vast majority of the UK's animal testing is done. Some in secret labs, some with protestors permanently camped outside (well maybe not in this snow).

That doesn't make all students evil monkey killing genociding maniacs.

I do wonder if you are arguing because you disagree with the points I have raised, or if you are just arguing because this is the internet.