Still doesn't give him, or anyone, the right to openly carry a deadly weapon in a public place.
Still doesn't give him, or anyone, the right to openly carry a deadly weapon in a public place.
Fu*k sake, people on this forum annoy me, why not say how you feel or discuss this instead of taking the trouble to hotlink poxy images...
So, I wouldn't complain about people using daggers / swords as part of a ceremony. People aren't legally allowed to possess a weapon for self defence, simple....
So, I wouldn't complain about people using daggers / swords as part of a ceremony. People aren't legally allowed to possess a weapon for self defence, simple....
If you hadn't noticed he was fully dressed for worship. No doubt he is the elder of that community. He was never going to use the sword to attack anyone, if things got ugly everyone would protect him by sending him indoors. There is a difference between carrying a weapon for decoration and carrying a weapon with intent to use it.
I was pointing out the fact that you contradicted yourself, plus as everyone has said, he's not using it for self defence..
They appear to be chanting 'EDL'. So presumably they're there to enjoy a fight with whoever blunders into Eltham with dark skin. **** all to do with a 'fight back'.
Well imo he is carrying that sword as a deterrent to the rioters, which implies he's using it for self defence, which is illegal.
No, he's a Sikh, possibly an elder, who wears a sword as part of his ceremonial dress (similar to the way highlanders wear a dirk as part of their dress). The fact that you originally couldn't tell the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim shows that you really have very little idea what you're talking about.
Oh great, that's what every volatile situation needs, a bunch of violent racists.
No, he is wearing the Kirpan because it is part of his religion. He'd wear it down to the supermarket too, most Sikhs carry them at all times (though normally an overcoat hides it). I carry my fists at all times, they can be used in self defence, does that mean my fists are illegal? Shit I was wearing boots today too, size 10 boots are quite dangerous, that must be doubly illegal.
Anything can be a weapon if you choose to use it as one. A chunk of iron isn't automatically a weapon because it is shaped like one.
Wha..? I watched the clip I linked to as it happened on Sky and they were interviewed and one of them said they were defending their mosque, I will admit I have no clue about the different religious beliefs of people who dress like that and I don't want to know tbh.
There was no ceremony going on on the street where he was. They were obviously defending the building and he was obviously using his ceremonial sword as a deterrent to the rioters which is not legal, simple.
I'm sorry but the kirpan is a weapon and is intended as such, that's the whole point of it. Sikhs are required to carry it for exactly the sort of purpose that this guy is displaying his.
I'm surprised it's allowed to be honest, it's a massive concession to a minority religion in the UK.
You are getting childish now, wtf.... Nowhere in your criminal justice act does it say any part of the human body is a weapon, nor does it say footware can be used as a weapon, wtf is going on here...
Sharp objects(swords/daggers) can be deadly and unless they are being used in a religious act they are illegal. The person in question was not performing any part of a ceremony so it is illegal for him to carry it in a public place, simple as that.
You don't understand the law. It's perfectly legal for that man to be carrying a kirpan, it's a requirement of his faith that he carries one at all times in case it needs to be used to protect the innocent against tyranny.
The law explicitly allows Sikhs to carry it. AT ALL TIMES. Please read and comprehend.
had to lol at the comment on this video:
Actually it is supposed to be so you can cut through the untruths. A little light reading for you. And you'll find if you ever get a look at a Kirpan being carried in the UK is they are duller than dishwater. I've yet to talk to anyone who carried one (I lived in a Sikh neighbourhood) who had it sharp enough to cut anything but air.
The defence in law stems back to when we needed Sikhs to fight for us (yes, we changed the law to suit a minority religion, but it helped us win many wars). It also applies to any religion that requires you to wear a bladed item, not just Sikhism.
[edit: I will say I do not believe that the defence should be allowed when it comes to school, but one does exist, so you can wear a knife of sorts to school, if it is in your religion to always carry one.]
Obviously...
Just seems crazy that he be allowed to carry that around with the way things are going over there. So if people started attacking their temple he could legally start chopping people up? Madness, imo.
Ok, obviously not sharp enough to do anything with.
I grew up around a lot of Sikhs (a small town bordering on Dewsbury) but I don't remember discussing kirpan sharpness with anyone. I was just shocked that they all had them.
No. He's legally allowed to carry it at all times. The moment he decides to poke it into a human he comes under the same laws as anybody else.
OK, well... I can't think of anything to say back to that. It would be nice if you would learn about the different cultures and religions of the world, about what they think, how they dress and why they believe the things they do. Seven billion people in the world, you know, might be nice to find out who you share a planet with. You might be like me and figure out that they're all actually OK really.
I was one of those kids who had many knives (still do, but for different reasons now). I asked the first person because I wanted tips on how to sharpen a knife without it losing it's shine/colour (my first knife was painted black, the second I tried to sharpen it, the paint came off), when he told me he doesn't sharpen it, just shine it. So every time I got the chance I asked others if they sharpen theirs. It could be that was just how they rolled in my old hood. But since they were for decoration, none of them saw the need to sharpen it and felt that by leaving it dull it wouldn't put the defence in jeopardy.
So it seems the riots have given an excuse for supremacist scum to feel even more righteous and superior than normal, and to spread hate under the pretense of 'protecting communities'. These people are no more intelligent or decent than the rioters themselves. No doubt all sorts will seize upon this riot to further their own agendas at the cost of everyone but themselves.
Its all such a shame, something could've been done to stop the culture that lead to these riots growing, but the seeds began to be sowed over 20 years ago and now its ingrained in the most deprived of each new generation. A complete lack of respect or pride in anything. I think it may be too late to ever reverse the trend. A combination of state neglect, ignorance, and rampant commercialism has made many people both deprived and greedy, setting them up for savage behavior as they feel entitled to the goods they can't have.
I'm sick of people being surprised and outraged, as if this thuggery has come from nowhere without cause. The truth we've had it coming for so long and it seems nobody including myself really saw it coming. No doubt the response will be outrage and class/race hate and the subsequent crackdown will only prime the country for even more violence.
Its all such a shame, something could've been done to stop the culture that lead to these riots growing, but the seeds began to be sowed over 20 years ago and now its ingrained in the most deprived of each new generation. A complete lack of respect or pride in anything. I think it may be too late to ever reverse the trend. A combination of state neglect, ignorance, and rampant commercialism has made many people both deprived and greedy, setting them up for savage behavior as they feel entitled to the goods they can't have.
I'm sick of people being surprised and outraged, as if this thuggery has come from nowhere without cause. The truth we've had it coming for so long and it seems nobody including myself really saw it coming. No doubt the response will be outrage and class/race hate and the subsequent crackdown will only prime the country for even more violence.
I had been expecting something like this for a while. After our stance over protests and such for the last few years it was only natural a country out there would be all "u mad?"
I saw this earlier and thought 'huh?', then I realized it's not a message to the British, it's propaganda meant to make the Iranian authorities look reasonable to the Iranian people. Whenever another country descends into anarchy, the Western world calls for calm and reason. Iran is trying to show their own people that they're able to sit up at the big-boys table.
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