I voted Berghem because the layout possibilities seem a lot nicer. Have only ever driven outside once in Eindhoven which was fun though.

I do not really care however where it is. It's all about the fun and not about who wins for me (a surprisingly similar attitude as I have in LFS ) And I'll drive wherever the meet is. There are always people coming from alot farther away than I am

I did however participate in an indoor karting meet in Huizen organized by a company I worked for and the differences in karts was realy a problem there.
I did OK on a small circuit and was in the semifinal on the large circuit. This large circuit has an overpass and the power difference in karts really played a big role there getting up the climb. I had a REALLY bad one in the semifinal (and surprising myself I made it to the final last place) and a REALLY great one in the final where people seemed to be standing still getting up.
For indoor karting I'm cured of driving at circuits that have overpasses (for the average 1 time per 2 years I sit in a kart ) and luckily outdoor circuits are not really using them so I'm ok with that.

It would be nice to be able to sit in similarly powered karts and it might be wiser to have someone actually having experienced karts at a certain track to comment and go somewhere based on that.

I do not yet have the G25, but an old Formula force pro and I have similar problems there once in a while.

I just open up the pedal set en clean it from the dust that collects in there. Afterwards everything is good.

If possible I'll really try to be there. June is usually my holiday month, so that could be a bit difficult.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I'm the opposite. I find it really hard to left-foot brake in LFS because I have such generously-proportioned genitalia. It's not comfortable to have my legs that close together all the time.

Same reason I had to turn down the second McLaren seat.

We all feel very sorry for you Kev

happy birthday!

Quote from BWX232 :

Which list? The people who do NOT want real cars and tracks? if so I suppose the LFS fan base is so backward there is no hope for real content. Oh well.

It's not that people do not WANT real tracks, but a good virtual track is a lot nicer to drive than most of the existing real tracks.

I've often heard complaining that the starting position and pitstops actually decide the race nowadays. In F1 you hear that a lot, because a lot of the tracks are not really suitable anymore to overtake (especially in these high downforce cars).

I do not NEED a real race track to have fun. Any layout will do fine if it provides me an opportunity to race side by side next to an opponent. Thàt exact moment defines racing fun for me and not what track/car I'm driving.

I've been guilty for smiley spam too after having been in a really fun battle. Now I wouldn't really mind talking to someone after the race about a great fight, but I'm quite sure I'm not able to remember exactly who I had this nice battle with in lap 3 of 15.

A big part of the fun of LFS or any other online game is the direct interaction you can have with people. Taking away the quick appreciation of and to the other person and having to recall the fun sometimes 15 minutes later for me detracts a whole lot of why I'm racing online. Instant appreciation of each others actions shows I'm racing people instead of AI and greatly improve my fun factor.

One thing that might be considered even as an improvement for the LFS communication system would then be similar as a lot of games already have: global messages and local messages. I can imagine that local messages would only reach cars within 100m of each other.

I consider the smiley a quick eyecontact between drivers in a real race as I can imagine that it happens and where LFS has no other way of showing it, the smiley is there to show it.

Quote from CELTIC100 :

Get on Race 2 in the UF1 and you should pick up 20 to 30 pts / race even with 2 or 3 other UF1's to race against and usually very good close racing

He's unfortunately not yet silver and thus unable to join.

I can confirm this though. It's fun racing the UF1

It's at least less frustrating than being hit in the pits during a pitstop and be penalized with a speeding violation drive-through by someone just joining and just accelerating out of the pitbox without looking.

This is especially tiring when you are fighting for podium and the drive-through ruins your chances on that.

I don't mind winds, I actually think they are a lot of fun. The unpredictability and having to cope with that is a blast

Part of the problem is that people are participating on the CTRA servers for points They shouldn't care really. CTRA servers provide consistent racing of a good level with forced restarts which makes the wait for the next race a whole lot less of a bother than on some other servers.

I go there because the server provides fun racing and lots of it. Points are nice, but ultimately do nothing for me. That single race fighting door to door with someone makes LFS fun for me. And the more races I have in the little time available to me for racing, the more that happens and the more I enjoy myself. If I get points, that is a bonus, but definitely not necessary for a good time.

Ah well, that's my look at the world. probably not shared by many

I was kicked yesterday for spamming on the CTRA2 server when I did a single smiley

I've been racing the UF1 yesterday on that server so you get passed a lot by the quicker classes. Whenever there is a clear pass you exchange something like a smiley to show appreciation for that. So in a couple of minutes I might have been showing the same smiley a couple of times, but there was quite a lot of time in between them every time.

Not quite sure if it is a bug of some sort or what the exact time allowed is before it is considered spamming. It might even have been an internet gremlin causing this
Happened in the race somewhere between 10.45 and 11.17am CET.

Oh and I now hold the laprecord on AS1 in the UF1, which is something of a miracle

Voted NO.

I really like the fantasy tracks we already have and as far as I can see there is just no real use for creating RL tracks
Racing is racing and a good virtual track is probably more fun than a bad RL track. Being side by side with any other car is the thrill for me and if it's a real track does not change that feeling. If the track is real is actually the last on my mind at that precise moment

In my opinion RL tracks are more for hotlapping and comparing times with real cars then anything else.

Actual racing and the thrill of racing can be had on any track, as long as it is good (and of course real tracks can be suitable).
I just do not see the need for them in LFS and would not pay extra for them.

And I thought this topic would have died a long time ago

Thanks SamH, and I'll start using the random one too, although I probably can better stick to the CTRA original one. Didn't drive anywhere else

I received my Silver license yesterday to my own surprise really:

http://www.raceauthority.com/lookup/?licence=aeoius

Now if I look at the ctra signature I still see Bronze?

[ctra]aeoius[/ctra]

It's not important to me, but I thought you might like to know about it and see what's causing this.

Had my first outing yesterday on SO Rev in XFG... God, I hate it reversed

Anyway thanks again for the setup Sinbad, got me a PB and I 'know' I can go lot faster with it (if I stop messing up turn 1 and the chicane ).

I'll be around every once in a while so see you all on the servers

Subscription based would turn me away from LFS. I may have a month where I'm able to play a lot or a month where I hardly touch my PC.

The latter happens quite a lot and as such not a single subscription game has been in my gamelist ever (except in beta testing). The time vs cost is usually a very bad investment for me.

So I'm happy with the way it is now and as mentioned before, you can better donate by buying vouchers then anything else. More players will come in the game, which means more fun and maybe they'll return the favor by either advertising this amazing game/community and/or buying someone else a voucher instead.

Total race time is a good idea, but it's sometimes made almost impossible because you are being torpedoed off track.
I can see the rage against wreckers reaching an all time high :headbang:

On the other hand I don't need other people to get me off the track, I'm quite capable of doing that myself

I'm all for having a serverside option to force a cockpit view.

If the damage model changes more it could become a deciding factor (as it sometimes already is if you roll over and your view is blocked by the roof between your eyes

This would increase fairness in a competition. I doubt it will have any/much use on a public server really unless the server host prefers it him/herself.

The serverhost should be able to configure his server in a way he prefers people to drive. Serverhosts with outlandish preferences will look at an empty server, but always have the option to make sure there is one server configured how they like to play or think LFS is most fun.

Last edited by AeoIus, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 10:23.

I'm kinda tired of being called elitist in this thread I'm using cockpit view in LFS, but do in no way feel elitist or want to force people to use it. I do think it is the most realistic view to use and for me it gives the best feedback on my driving. In e.g. ColinMcRae and Toca I always used bonnet view and I was very surprised when I first played LFS it was not there.

With a RWD car in S1 I was able to better control the car when driving chase view at first. I could see better when the rear was actually breaking away from me. After a little while I was able to interpret it similarly in cockpit view, but then again I still suck at RWD and hardly ever drive one of them

I honestly think every view can be gotten used to if given a little time

Do I think someone hosting a server should have a lot of options available to host a server in a way he feels that the game should be played. Hell yes. I've hosted a gameserver myself (not LFS) and nobody was going to tell me how I could host my server. I wanted to have a place where I could play the game like I wanted and looking from visitors quite a few people agreed with my view.

It's similar for LFS, if I could host a server I would want to have a lot of options for me to play with so I could host a server that completely agreed with my personal idea of LFS. Everybody has different ideas on how this game is MEANT to be played/interpreted, but it does not really matter. There will always be people with similar sentiments and they will find a place that meets their needs. There are so many servers empty it is almost laughable how people are complaining they imagine cannot find a server if Force Cockpit view becomes standard (which will only be if it is actually in the dedicated server config from the start). "Build it and they will come" should work even here. Advertise a server that does NOT force cockpit view but still is very stable/quick and uses a nice configuration. Popularity of a server is a fickle thing and mostly a full server attracts other racers.

It's a server sided option and for me it would weigh heavily that framerates could be really drastically reduced in cockpit view. I want people to have fun playing LFS and low framerates really detract from having fun imo.

As was mentioned by someone else, what is really going to be important is the damage aspect of the car. I've rolled over and the roof was actually blocking my view in the cockpit view. I still kept driving and having fun in a way that would have been impossible to enjoy similarly in wheels/chase view. So this damage aspect is the only real reason that should influence a decision for forced cockpit view. Do you want everyone to have the same problems after flipping over? I can imagine people going for realism will do, but still mostly league only. For a public server NOT targeted at the real hardcore side of racing, this forced view will simply never be turned on.

The panick can stop people... I have spoken

How often is the license file updated?

Yesterday was my first real outing on the CD1 server after I've been playing mostly on CD3 and got licensed for CD4.
To my own surprise I even drove 1:43.xx in the end (and how I wish I could do that steadily ) and had a blast. Because the CD1 server was full I hoped to get into CD2 at one time which of course did not work.

I'm probably able to race a bit again tomorrow evening so I wouldn't mind if I could choose for CD2

Hehe, the moment total racing time is counted I'll probably be demoted again, since I'm 'peaking'

Maybe not a bug but still irritating:

I was driving in the pitlane after a pitstop with the limitor on and somebody raced out of his pitbox (just joined) I get hit and go over the speedlimit and receive a stop and go penalty.

There seems to be something wrong there, but do not have a clue on how to solve it.

I'm bad at remembering names and after each incompatible batch delete all old replays, so I can only express a general feeling.

I've had some brilliant times with just a really great atmosphere with quite a lot of different people where I'll have a fun and close battles and the "Good pass" "Good race" binds are used a lot.

Just respecting the other players and complimenting them will in my experience almost always result in some smalltalk where there is a quick sort of friendship formed and you are all looking forward to the next race hoping you can have the same fun/close battle again with those same people.

This atmosphere is what keeps bringing me back and why I love to play LFS.

Quote from drinklime :

Try not to take it personally... that is very hard for me. I get so pissed off. Even in real life when something happens I get road rage all the time. I have the scrape marks on my car to prove it

That's actually a bit disturbing......

Quote from Thill :

Morning all Had some great fun racing on CD3 yesterday , sure there were some wreckers but overall it was alot better than the days before that (prolly cause CD ppl were online)

True, great fun Thill

Quote from X-Ter :

That rule is in effect in F1, DTM, WTCC, well... just about any racing on the planet. And let's face it... If more people followed that rule, almost half the incidents would be eliminated. And if people also follwed the turn exit rule, about 80% of all incidents would be gone. And if people also tried to use the "gentlemens/womens rule of conduct" on track, almost 95% of all crashes would be gone. The last five % would be caused by wreckers who don't belong on a track anyway...

Good god, wouldn't that be boring