Tried that but it didn't work... time and time again. I found out that actually holding the inside line and actually driving over the inside curb was my best bet for getting through safely on CD3 (UFR/XFR?) T1. If you are hit you might stay on track because you are bumped into another car and not straight onto the grass.
I like the UFR/XFR cars after spending most of my time lately on CTRA/STCC servers on the UF1 and didn't yet touch a RWD car in patch X
Ah well, it's sometimes frustrating also because you are actually raced and consequently usually being crashed by people ignoring the blue flag on that server. Usually happens when you are finally getting in the top ten and hope to be more crash free and the next race you are completely taken out by a backmarker and have to try and start from the last row again. Sometimes I just give up and that wasn't happening on the CTRA servers. It probably has to do with car control, that is just a little harder on the R class on that little track.
I do still enjoy it though :P
That's a bit unfair imo. Yes you can have it on other servers, but the STCC servers are the one's that are full at the times when I race and the others are sparsely populated. I like a race with as many drivers as possible.
Since such a huge part of the people are apparently driving there, it is reasonable that it is often talked about. Are Becky and SamH the ones starting all STCC threads? I do not believe so, but it is normal that they respond to threads about 'their' servers.
Yes, STCC gets a lot of attention, but currently I think it is most used, so a result of that.
When patch X arrives and Becky is still unable to update (btw good luck with the jobhunting!!!!) STCC will fall away and people will race on other servers again. It's not even said that when STCC returns (There is no IF
) that they'd still get the same attention. I expect so, because apparently the progression has some extra appeal at the moment. For us not racing in leagues there is a reasonable standard of racing to be had with a bit more satisfaction than just that 4th place (as if I ever place that high 
) in that one race.I suck at RWD car driving, so hopefully patch X will change a bit of that (I have serious doubts, ... really.. serious....) and because of STCC I want to start trying to get to grips with them and improve overall. There is no real incentive for me to do that just on any server and I realize this is a personal motivation issue. If STCC does motivate me to become a better overall racer, than we can respect STCC for that if nothing else. It gives a part of the LFS community apparently more motivation to drive there than at other places. You do not have to like it, but these people will drive on other servers too eventually and make that experience better, just because they are better trained.
All in all win-win.
The racing I've been doing lately was on the STCC servers. Why? Because they were full with racers
Also I kinda like the slower intense fights with the UF1 and can still be amazed by the feel of that little car and the difference setups make.
I'm not the quickest and not the slowest but enjoy a good clean fight and it's been my experience that the racing is very reasonable. Of course I get hit and used as a brake, but it does not bother me at all and actually is really rare. There's always a next race where I can try again to survive the first couple of corners I just tag along at the back and learn the circuit, because it's probably another one I haven't driven on before
That's one thing I really like about the STCC servers. The fact there is a lot of racing because of the auto restarts and the switching of circuits and even # of laps. It makes it a refreshing and 'new' experience everytime I'm on there.
So there is a part of me that really would like to have a couple of these things as a standard server option in LFS (if they aren't already).
I agree however that the credits/licencing system is not for everyone. You should be able to drive all cars/circuits in my opinion if you want to do that.
It would be nice to have it included in a server version where you can activate it if you are so willing, but it should be off by default.
I know that I'd like to use it if I were to run a server and I don't know a thing myself about programming, so I could never create such a thing myself.
Are there any plans to make it (partially) available?
Also I kinda like the slower intense fights with the UF1 and can still be amazed by the feel of that little car and the difference setups make.
I'm not the quickest and not the slowest but enjoy a good clean fight and it's been my experience that the racing is very reasonable. Of course I get hit and used as a brake, but it does not bother me at all and actually is really rare. There's always a next race where I can try again to survive the first couple of corners
I just tag along at the back and learn the circuit, because it's probably another one I haven't driven on before That's one thing I really like about the STCC servers. The fact there is a lot of racing because of the auto restarts and the switching of circuits and even # of laps. It makes it a refreshing and 'new' experience everytime I'm on there.
So there is a part of me that really would like to have a couple of these things as a standard server option in LFS (if they aren't already).
I agree however that the credits/licencing system is not for everyone. You should be able to drive all cars/circuits in my opinion if you want to do that.
It would be nice to have it included in a server version where you can activate it if you are so willing, but it should be off by default.
I know that I'd like to use it if I were to run a server and I don't know a thing myself about programming, so I could never create such a thing myself.
Are there any plans to make it (partially) available?
Always been interested in racing from REVS on the C64, Indycar Racing, F1, GPL, Motorcity online beta and all the NFS's, CM Rally's and a few other rally games. Been playing Tribes and Tribes 2 I think about 5-6 solid years almost daily however with only a slight interest in racing as a temp distraction.
I did however 'always' have a steering wheel for some reason and cannot even remember really why/how I bought the first one or what it was called. (steel steering column attached to a plate that you had to put the monitor on)
Found LFS as most promising game on BHM site a few years ago and downloaded it. Took my first lap in XFG on BL immediately online and "WOW" this feels real. I've hardly played any other game since (also because of time) and got WOW-ed again when S2 came out in how much better that felt.
I expect to be WOW-ed a lot more before the LFS ride is finished
I did however 'always' have a steering wheel for some reason and cannot even remember really why/how I bought the first one or what it was called. (steel steering column attached to a plate that you had to put the monitor on)
Found LFS as most promising game on BHM site a few years ago and downloaded it. Took my first lap in XFG on BL immediately online and "WOW" this feels real. I've hardly played any other game since (also because of time) and got WOW-ed again when S2 came out in how much better that felt.
I expect to be WOW-ed a lot more before the LFS ride is finished
When I was driving in S1 LFS felt realistic.
With S2 it felt more realistic and each physics patch improves LFS in a way that again feels more realistic (up till now :P).
So as far as I'm concerned something 'feeling' realistic has to be taken with a grain of salt. I just didn't know better until after the next patch arrived and I could compare.
LFS has normal road cars which I drive about 60.000km a year, so me telling you that an LFS roadcar is realistic in behaviour should have more value as a 'racer' telling you a race car is feeling realistic if he only drives it 5.000km a year.
Luckily I'm not telling anybody roadcars are realistic so we can stop right there. And yes I've driven my car to the limit where it was publicly safe to do so
and probably to a simillar amount of corners as a racer does.
With S2 it felt more realistic and each physics patch improves LFS in a way that again feels more realistic (up till now :P).
So as far as I'm concerned something 'feeling' realistic has to be taken with a grain of salt. I just didn't know better until after the next patch arrived and I could compare.
LFS has normal road cars which I drive about 60.000km a year, so me telling you that an LFS roadcar is realistic in behaviour should have more value as a 'racer' telling you a race car is feeling realistic if he only drives it 5.000km a year.
Luckily I'm not telling anybody roadcars are realistic so we can stop right there. And yes I've driven my car to the limit where it was publicly safe to do so
and probably to a simillar amount of corners as a racer does.I get a similar feeling whenever I race
I think I know what my problem is and that is steering too much.What I've been trying to look at is the steering range I use compared to others and I find that I kinda overdo it.
Accelerating away out of a corner I just loose speed, because my tyre angle is all wrong.
So I know what I do wrong, but seem to be unable to really correct it consistently :P
That said, it means I indeed do suck
I'm definitely midfield and have had a lot of fun battles there. And if I'm running alone the next game is only a few laps away so I'll try to get familiar with the car/track combo and hope for the best next time.
Probably one of my nicest races was on an Aston circuit with only 3 peeps but we were on the exact same pace in FXO and all making mistakes, making the first place swap around a lot. It showed me that it does not matter how many people are even on a server just as long as you are driving with a similar pace. We were about 4-5 secs off WR
I do however usually look for at least 6 people on a server just because there is a bigger chance for someone of similar abilities.
Probably one of my nicest races was on an Aston circuit with only 3 peeps but we were on the exact same pace in FXO and all making mistakes, making the first place swap around a lot. It showed me that it does not matter how many people are even on a server just as long as you are driving with a similar pace. We were about 4-5 secs off WR
I do however usually look for at least 6 people on a server just because there is a bigger chance for someone of similar abilities.
Some valid arguments all in all, but the badgering about the money is senseless in my opinion.
Simworld in the Netherlands is a simcentre with all intentions of getting people together being able to play different racesims and making money out of it. Nobody seems to get upset over a company like that. Somehow trying to do a similar thing online is almost a crime?!?!?
Weird, just weird.
However they do not support LFS, so I never go there
Yes, there is a lot of sales craptalk to promote R2P, but they will try to make money out of it. And if it works, good for them.
However their idea of getting an easily accessible place with 1 type of official rules for all sims and easy setup of league races is not unreasonable at all. Being willing to promote/include LFS is not unreasonable at all. To ask for information is not unreasonable at all.
Pfff, realx people and get into the christmas spirit (not the stuffing yourselves hotdiggity )
Simworld in the Netherlands is a simcentre with all intentions of getting people together being able to play different racesims and making money out of it. Nobody seems to get upset over a company like that. Somehow trying to do a similar thing online is almost a crime?!?!?
Weird, just weird.
However they do not support LFS, so I never go there
Yes, there is a lot of sales craptalk to promote R2P, but they will try to make money out of it. And if it works, good for them.
However their idea of getting an easily accessible place with 1 type of official rules for all sims and easy setup of league races is not unreasonable at all. Being willing to promote/include LFS is not unreasonable at all. To ask for information is not unreasonable at all.
Pfff, realx people and get into the christmas spirit (not the stuffing yourselves hotdiggity
)Wow, I've just found the clips of the STCC and they are just amazing. So much fun looking at them, I can't wait for the rest of the season
Finally got around to look at it and try it out a bit (to my own regret, but still fun ).
First of all my overall impressions from the driving by Biggie and Kev:
Kev drives clean lines, not too much sliding, hardly countersteering and nose pointing to where he wants to go at that point. Biggie flicks the car in a sliding position where the nose is pointing not quite in the direction he is going, but the direction he wants to go in the second part of the corner and coming out of the corner.
When I drive LFS, I try to drive like Kev, clean lines, not much countersteering because that is for me the nicest/best way to drive. I have a problem with intuitive countersteering in a computer game, because I don't get the G's working on my body as I have in real life. My solution for this shortcoming in LFS is to drive as cleanly as possible. Rear wheel drive cars in LFS are, for me, terrible to drive because I seem to be unable to correct the car in the right way as I seem to be able to do naturally in e.g. a go-kart. I always seem to oversteer and overthrottle and overbrake in these situations if I even notice I'm already going sideways.
I looked at the driving by Biggie and I 'get' his driving and why he drives like that. After I stopped drooling at his amazing car control I just watched it again (and again) for the sheer beauty of it.
And of course I'm completely unable to even come close to that driving style. Yes, his nose does not seem to be pointing in the right direction and Kev's nose does. The small flick of the steering wheel to start the controlled slide for me results in all kinds of things except a controlled slide
I did however check the replays not only from cockpit view, but also from the follow cam view. Looking at both drives from that perspective the way Biggie drives looks a lot cleaner and better pointed in the travelling direction then Kev's drive. I thought that a bit strange since the in car view seems to suggest it a bit different imo.
Of course I tried a bit myself and was hopeless with the setup given by Biggie. I'm understeering going into a corner and oversteering when getting on the throttle with the setup provided by Biggie (LX4 Solong3).
Then there is the full throttle Biggie is able to get to really quickly sometimes. When I try to do the same thing and I have to steer even a little bit, I get into a spin immediately and am usually unable to catch it, even with full couterlock. Apparently the slides are already too far gone for me to be able to catch, before I notice them. This is my own personal problem of course, but one that keeps me from enjoying most of the RWD cars.
It seems I need to start getting my mechanics hat on and really work on a setup I feel comfortable with and that complements my own slow driving style (did I already mention my fastest non crashing lap was in the 1:57)
It's probably going to be the only way I'm ever going to enjoy the RWD cars, by tuning out every bit of oversteer I can find
Ah well, this is just the way I see it and maybe I should stick to this same track/car just to start getting a feel for a RWD car. I mean, if I master 1 I should be OK to go in others too right
).First of all my overall impressions from the driving by Biggie and Kev:
Kev drives clean lines, not too much sliding, hardly countersteering and nose pointing to where he wants to go at that point. Biggie flicks the car in a sliding position where the nose is pointing not quite in the direction he is going, but the direction he wants to go in the second part of the corner and coming out of the corner.
When I drive LFS, I try to drive like Kev, clean lines, not much countersteering because that is for me the nicest/best way to drive. I have a problem with intuitive countersteering in a computer game, because I don't get the G's working on my body as I have in real life. My solution for this shortcoming in LFS is to drive as cleanly as possible. Rear wheel drive cars in LFS are, for me, terrible to drive because I seem to be unable to correct the car in the right way as I seem to be able to do naturally in e.g. a go-kart. I always seem to oversteer and overthrottle and overbrake in these situations if I even notice I'm already going sideways.
I looked at the driving by Biggie and I 'get' his driving and why he drives like that. After I stopped drooling at his amazing car control I just watched it again (and again) for the sheer beauty of it.
And of course I'm completely unable to even come close to that driving style. Yes, his nose does not seem to be pointing in the right direction and Kev's nose does. The small flick of the steering wheel to start the controlled slide for me results in all kinds of things except a controlled slide
I did however check the replays not only from cockpit view, but also from the follow cam view. Looking at both drives from that perspective the way Biggie drives looks a lot cleaner and better pointed in the travelling direction then Kev's drive. I thought that a bit strange since the in car view seems to suggest it a bit different imo.
Of course I tried a bit myself and was hopeless with the setup given by Biggie. I'm understeering going into a corner and oversteering when getting on the throttle with the setup provided by Biggie (LX4 Solong3).
Then there is the full throttle Biggie is able to get to really quickly sometimes. When I try to do the same thing and I have to steer even a little bit, I get into a spin immediately and am usually unable to catch it, even with full couterlock. Apparently the slides are already too far gone for me to be able to catch, before I notice them. This is my own personal problem of course, but one that keeps me from enjoying most of the RWD cars.
It seems I need to start getting my mechanics hat on and really work on a setup I feel comfortable with and that complements my own slow driving style (did I already mention my fastest non crashing lap was in the 1:57
)It's probably going to be the only way I'm ever going to enjoy the RWD cars, by tuning out every bit of oversteer I can find
Ah well, this is just the way I see it and maybe I should stick to this same track/car just to start getting a feel for a RWD car. I mean, if I master 1 I should be OK to go in others too right
I believed there were other rules for the blue flag? You should NOT leave the racing line I believe and be as predictable as possible in your driving. Isn't it the responsibility of the faster car to pass you safely?
I only need to know with dot color who is in front and who is behind. I do not care about who is first. It could be abused to target leaders in the race and crash them too easily.
I wouldn't even mind if the minimap would completely disappear and you would be relying on mirrors/flags/whatever to know where you are.
If I can see the car driving in front of me I'm ok and will try to pass that car. There's not a lot more information needed than that.
On the other hand I do use it when leaving the pit or trying to get back on track after a crash. So maybe an autoactivation of the minimap when leaving the tarmac or being in the pits could be used.
Just my 0.02.
I wouldn't even mind if the minimap would completely disappear and you would be relying on mirrors/flags/whatever to know where you are.
If I can see the car driving in front of me I'm ok and will try to pass that car. There's not a lot more information needed than that.
On the other hand I do use it when leaving the pit or trying to get back on track after a crash. So maybe an autoactivation of the minimap when leaving the tarmac or being in the pits could be used.
Just my 0.02.
I think I read about GTR and followed a link to blackhole motorsports.
There was a top 10 racing games where LFS was most promising (2004?). Downloaded the demo and loved it. Have been playing ever since, took me a month or 2 to get licensed.
Haven't touched other games at all since then
This is after playing tribes for 6 years exclusivly, so I'm a one game man I guess
There was a top 10 racing games where LFS was most promising (2004?). Downloaded the demo and loved it. Have been playing ever since, took me a month or 2 to get licensed.
Haven't touched other games at all since then
This is after playing tribes for 6 years exclusivly, so I'm a one game man I guess
I'll drive whatever is raced with preferably over 4 people on a server.
I do however keep having problems with RWD cars, because I oversteer like hell. I don't believe I've ever been able to control a RWD car for 5 laps without looking back on the track at least once
I do like the MRT and FOX though and can control these reasonably even if I'm not really fast. The FOX just needs a completely different driving style then e.g. XFG which I like.
I still need to just try out more on the RWD cars. Did have a go at both LX6 and LX4 and kinda liked the LX4, but it was a really understeering setup so taking corners was a biatch.
I just do not have a lot of time to play and then sticking with a more comfortable car (usually FWD or 4WD) because it suits my driving style better, makes it more fun for me to race them. I'm at least a bit competetive and will be less of a trouble to other people on the server because I've better car control.
That said, I'll still race in any car that is being used when I'm online having fun whatever I drive anyway
I do however keep having problems with RWD cars, because I oversteer like hell. I don't believe I've ever been able to control a RWD car for 5 laps without looking back on the track at least once
I do like the MRT and FOX though and can control these reasonably even if I'm not really fast. The FOX just needs a completely different driving style then e.g. XFG which I like.
I still need to just try out more on the RWD cars. Did have a go at both LX6 and LX4 and kinda liked the LX4, but it was a really understeering setup so taking corners was a biatch.
I just do not have a lot of time to play and then sticking with a more comfortable car (usually FWD or 4WD) because it suits my driving style better, makes it more fun for me to race them. I'm at least a bit competetive and will be less of a trouble to other people on the server because I've better car control.
That said, I'll still race in any car that is being used when I'm online having fun whatever I drive anyway
He knocked you into the grass, no question.
He should have blocked you at the moment he saw you go to the right to try and pass him. (which he would have been allowed to do only once)
When he didn't do that he forfeit his right to go that much to the right in my opinion and should have left you enough room.
Also I consider this a straight and as such I do not believe there really is a racing line that he was defending. He just moved to a space on track he lost all rights to.
I do not think you are to blame at all.
He should have blocked you at the moment he saw you go to the right to try and pass him. (which he would have been allowed to do only once)
When he didn't do that he forfeit his right to go that much to the right in my opinion and should have left you enough room.
Also I consider this a straight and as such I do not believe there really is a racing line that he was defending. He just moved to a space on track he lost all rights to.
I do not think you are to blame at all.
I never hotlapped until I got into a competition with a collegue with XFG on BL1 for the quickest time.
At the moment I'm 0.02 secs in front
On the other hand I have LFS for 2 years and he for 2 months.... it sucks to be me
At the moment I'm 0.02 secs in front
On the other hand I have LFS for 2 years and he for 2 months.... it sucks to be me
I gave birth to an Aston National fanboy in a drinking contest.
and I called him BOB
and I called him BOB
Surprisingly familiar
although it was spamming of a blue flag message when it happened to me.A lot of people are quicker than me, but if they are in the same lap no honking or spamming will help, they'll have to pass me the old fashioned way, because they can pass instead of hotlap
I'll make a mistake eventually anyway and not be bothered by that. There is always a next race that I can take myself out off
Adult racers however do not see that as an excuse to start wrecking. Shit happens and another race will start in 10 minutes. Live with it and turn the other (smelly) cheek
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ROFL: "The pedal under my right foot isn't so much a throttle, as it is a hyper-space button." (about the Bugatti Veyron)
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AdamW and bal00, thanks for the advice both of you
I think looking at my driving style I never brake/lift and start turning at the exact same moment.
I always brake a bit and then gently start steering. Maybe I should put up an SPR for review some day, but since I never play offline that might be a problem
I'll see what I can do with this advice and start crashing a few times more
I think looking at my driving style I never brake/lift and start turning at the exact same moment.
I always brake a bit and then gently start steering. Maybe I should put up an SPR for review some day, but since I never play offline that might be a problem
I'll see what I can do with this advice and start crashing a few times more
Been hitting the 1:34.xx also since last thursday and seem to be able to make them more consistent (mostly 1 time/5 laps) and stay in 1:35.xx for most of the race. I've been mostly getting more consistent then really faster. I know I have some room left to improve though, so I'll get better some day (using autoclutch ).
Looking at some laptimes when spectating I'm amazed how 'wrong' aliens sometimes seem to drive and still go very fast, while I'm reasonably smooth most of the time and e.g. hardly have to countersteer. I see people take corners going off the throttle and braking by steering that is impossible for me. I must brake or lose the corner completely. So I think I'm still missing some aspect of how to drive the XFG 'really' fast, but I'm fine for now.
The fun for me now though is actually close racing. It's fun being reasonably quick and keeping faster drivers behind you while still keeping it fair and fun for all parties. Or what the Mercury server had saturday is the reversed starting grid which is a joy to try and get back to front.
I'm not really quick to go to the pits, so if I get in an accident in T1 I'll just start picking it up from there. I do not really care where I drive on the grid
Btw Pete, you are a nice guy to drive with. I've been on the same server a couple of times with you and it was fun.
).Looking at some laptimes when spectating I'm amazed how 'wrong' aliens sometimes seem to drive and still go very fast, while I'm reasonably smooth most of the time and e.g. hardly have to countersteer. I see people take corners going off the throttle and braking by steering that is impossible for me. I must brake or lose the corner completely. So I think I'm still missing some aspect of how to drive the XFG 'really' fast, but I'm fine for now.
The fun for me now though is actually close racing. It's fun being reasonably quick and keeping faster drivers behind you while still keeping it fair and fun for all parties. Or what the Mercury server had saturday is the reversed starting grid which is a joy to try and get back to front.
I'm not really quick to go to the pits, so if I get in an accident in T1 I'll just start picking it up from there. I do not really care where I drive on the grid
Btw Pete, you are a nice guy to drive with. I've been on the same server a couple of times with you and it was fun.
Last week was a week where I could drive a lot. I had some good times with NASSA/400/SCCC and a lot of no-team players.
I'm more of recognizing the names than reproducing them, but I've had a blast You could actually race with a lot of people on the XFG servers the last couple of weeks and go side by side through corners if necessary... definitely good times
I'm more of recognizing the names than reproducing them, but I've had a blast
You could actually race with a lot of people on the XFG servers the last couple of weeks and go side by side through corners if necessary... definitely good times If I get wrecked I usually not immediately start a vote. If it happens more than once though I'll start a vote myself or vote with the rest.
But I also must have seen it happen or really trust the person initiating the vote.
I'm not experiencing a lot of wrecking to be honest. So I do not believe it is that big of a problem, but I agree that the first impression of LFS can be bad if your first outing accidentily is on a server with wreckers.
The wreckers I've sometimes seen are actually good racers and just seem to do it out of boredom. They are fully aware of what they are doing and reasoning with them is just not an option really.
I think the initiative for the the Clean Server Club is excellent and in my opinion is good enough. Together with the CRC (of which I still need to become accepted as a member (help me out there please! ) this could mean that the driving can be as fair as possible.
The percentage of laptime idea is not good imo, because people will need to improve and I've also been in fights for position where laptimes drop enormously because of the close racing, passing, repassing and general brakepoints missing for all parties involved. It's fun and clean, but just slowing you down big time.
All in all though for me it is just a game to have fun. A pile up in T1 never prompts me to restart, I'll just start driving from the back and see if I can catch up and maybe pass a few people. That is more fun then driving alone in front anyway. Besides I like watching other people fight for places and don't mind driving a race behind such a fight and learn.
Back on topic:
Things that should be active on all servers:
- kick when driving backwards should be enabled
- spectate when idling on track for more than e.g. 15 secs should be enabled. (idling is anything e.g. < 30 km/h)
But I also must have seen it happen or really trust the person initiating the vote.
I'm not experiencing a lot of wrecking to be honest. So I do not believe it is that big of a problem, but I agree that the first impression of LFS can be bad if your first outing accidentily is on a server with wreckers.
The wreckers I've sometimes seen are actually good racers and just seem to do it out of boredom. They are fully aware of what they are doing and reasoning with them is just not an option really.
I think the initiative for the the Clean Server Club is excellent and in my opinion is good enough. Together with the CRC (of which I still need to become accepted as a member (help me out there please!
) this could mean that the driving can be as fair as possible.The percentage of laptime idea is not good imo, because people will need to improve and I've also been in fights for position where laptimes drop enormously because of the close racing, passing, repassing and general brakepoints missing for all parties involved. It's fun and clean, but just slowing you down big time.
All in all though for me it is just a game to have fun. A pile up in T1 never prompts me to restart, I'll just start driving from the back and see if I can catch up and maybe pass a few people. That is more fun then driving alone in front anyway. Besides I like watching other people fight for places and don't mind driving a race behind such a fight and learn.
Back on topic:
Things that should be active on all servers:
- kick when driving backwards should be enabled
- spectate when idling on track for more than e.g. 15 secs should be enabled. (idling is anything e.g. < 30 km/h)
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LFS for me had an instant click that made it work for me. Rfactor did not.
Same thing for me with F1C vs GP series. F1C 'clicked' and GP series did not.
I cannot really explain why, just that one feels more natural to me it it's response.
My first time TOCA was an experience of close racing that was unforgettable. The grinding door to door to get around some corners just amazed me and I really liked the way the game handled. Then I just started to get into TOCA2 and really liked that as well, when I heard about LFS. I tried the demo and never looked at TOCA2 again. LFS was much more lifelike to me and RFactor did not do the same.
I never did really give it a shot though, so I still might like it if I got used to it. But I'm not willing to get used to it. I just do not have enough time to play, so LFS is enough and I REALLY like it since patch U, so this is probably where I'll spend my next couple of years racing
GPL was just too damn hard when trying it first with a joystick, then got a non FFB steering wheel and still could not drive. Then got a FFB steering wheel and I was able to really carefully get around the track. It was still hard, but fun. It did not have the instant click but I kept trying because I then had the time to do that and was sure it was a great game.
So I cannot offer any real comments on RFactor other then: no instant 'click' when first playing the game and not willing to invest the time to make it work for me.
Same thing for me with F1C vs GP series. F1C 'clicked' and GP series did not.
I cannot really explain why, just that one feels more natural to me it it's response.
My first time TOCA was an experience of close racing that was unforgettable. The grinding door to door to get around some corners just amazed me and I really liked the way the game handled. Then I just started to get into TOCA2 and really liked that as well, when I heard about LFS. I tried the demo and never looked at TOCA2 again. LFS was much more lifelike to me and RFactor did not do the same.
I never did really give it a shot though, so I still might like it if I got used to it. But I'm not willing to get used to it. I just do not have enough time to play, so LFS is enough and I REALLY like it since patch U, so this is probably where I'll spend my next couple of years racing
GPL was just too damn hard when trying it first with a joystick, then got a non FFB steering wheel and still could not drive. Then got a FFB steering wheel and I was able to really carefully get around the track. It was still hard, but fun. It did not have the instant click but I kept trying because I then had the time to do that and was sure it was a great game.
So I cannot offer any real comments on RFactor other then: no instant 'click' when first playing the game and not willing to invest the time to make it work for me.
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