Quote from kaynd :

Grats to mercury for their honesty.
I think though that there should be made clear, what exploit did he use?
Damage is already done to Scipy’s name. I don’t think that keeping secret the nature of the exploit protects him. (not that there is anyone who cares.)
Was it the famous button clutch macro? http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=45980
Defining the nature of the exploit might help delivering the appropriate penalty to you, instead of just whipping all your current points.

It is not relevant what kind of cheat he has used. Not relevant to any racer that is, however information and evidence will be forwarded to dev's (by the appropriate parties) which perhaps can prevent the use of such an exploit in the future.

Use the soap, I'm telling yah!

I strongly suggest not to hand out any details regarding this cheat.

It has been discovered, it will be discovered and consequences will follow.

It's for LFS's best interest things like this are kept to one selves, and put away.

Thanks guys.

We were already aware of the situation, but we appreciate your honesty.

Occasion: Editted Rule
Where: 8. Starting Procedure
What:

Quote :

* In all but the last sector teams are expected to leave a gap of approximately 5 cars between their car and the car ahead. In the final sector, single formation will be transferred into dual file formation. In the dual formation teams are expected to allow about half a car length between the car in front, and the car next to him.

Reasoning: The above should be a compromise between tire heating and a safe starting procedure.
Outcome: Drivers who fail to follow the above guidelines can be protested and are subject to penalty. The type of penalty depends on the severity and impact of the offense.

Quote from Bawbag :

What? Franks tool just simply told us which side we should be starting on and would position us in the correct formation, never did it have anything to do with not heating the tyres.

Once again, the reason for the crashes at south city is shown in the attatched jpegs, to begin with the SC car was doing ~95mph, also in the middle sector it reaches this speed, now logic would say that it would also hold this speed on the back straight.

Logic says that the third sector is being used to go from a single line formation to a dual line formation, and as so, speed is being lowered. Granted this should be announced by one of the admins on the server, however people should expect that at any time there will be a change to a dual line. In your last picture Jonsey has about 5 car lengths to the guy in front of him, and apparently still got involved in an accident. However given the discussion, we change the rule to the following change of rule:

Quote from Bawbag :

Watch the restart of the 24 hourt race after the server crash, I specificly remember a team with the FXR, into T1 their tyres were black, probarly about 30 degreese, he couldn't turn and went straight on while going about 30mph slower than normal through turn 1.

@ 3j, if there are to many Montoyas, then fix it, inform each team manager of each Montoya that they have to sort out their driver or face a penalty.

This is supposed to be a the MoE, the peak of LFS endurance racing, yet were gunna be even be restricted with stupid rules like this?

@ d1, when I say 5 car lengths I mean just for the single file traffic while everyone is warming there tyres, but when it goes to double file we just use the exact same format that were on. It's like driving IRL in the rain, you allways leave a much larger gap for stopping than you do in the dry, shouldn't be hard at all.

Again, I see your point regarding the tire temperature. However it's not the first time incidents like the one on SC occur. Last year on WE1 similar incidents occurred, for instance. The 'shouldn't be hard at all', already proved to be hard enough.
Apparently it is needed to define more in detail what can be done, and what can't be done during a formation lap. As I recall it correctly, it was also you who ask for FrankMD's tool, which essentially entails the same functionality as the additional rule?

As said the SC will carry a higher speed till the moment single line will flow into a dual line, which should allow teams to build up more tire temperature. On a second note we are also looking into a suggestion made, to include a warming up lap before the formation lap, but we are still examining that.

Quote from Commander :

So, basically, Tyre heating during the formation lap is no longer allowed?

Quote from Bawbag :

That's balls to be honest, I'd bet my house on it being far more dangerouse having 30 cars bombing into t1 with cold tyres at south city than having accidents in the warm up lap.

Btw, these problems only came around because of a few specific idiots, and the safety cars pace dropping by quite alot on the back straight of south city.

Tire heating is strongly limited to small, predictable movements, within that half a car frame. We will also increase the speed of the safety car on the straights to increase the tire temperature under braking.

Final results


Additional processed penalties
#31 Mercury Racing Team GT2 received a +1L penalty for shift-s/p.
#33 prodrive' Racing received a +1L penalty for shift-s/p.
#39 Conquest Racing previous results removed due to approved change of car.
#41 Serbian Racers received a +30s (DT) penalty for re-taking positions after spinning on the pace lap.
#41 Serbian Racers received a +30s (DT) penalty for chat prior to the completion of the race.
#41 Serbian Racers will forfeit their fastest lap in the qualifying for Round 3, due to failing to provide an active team representative on IRC.

Remarks
The incidents on the backstretch during the formation lap have resulted in the following added rule. Teams are expected to drive their normal lines in order to prevent incidents similar to those which happened during the formation lap of South City.

Standings
The current standings can be found here and here.

Last edited by AppiePils, Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:33.

Occasion: Added Rule
Where: 8. Starting Procedure
What:

Quote :

* During the formation lap it is not allowed to swerve from left to right, or overly accelerate/brake (so called tire heating). During single file teams are expected to follow the normal race line and during the dual file formation. Teams are expected to allow about half a car length between the car in front, and the car next to him.

Reasoning: Sudden, unexpected, movements make it hard for teams to follow the single file formation procedure. Half a car length difference between the car in front and next to should allow a safer starting procedure.
Outcome: Drivers who fail to follow the above guidelines can be protested and are subject to be penalized.The type of penalty depends on the severity and impact of the offense.

Last edited by AppiePils, Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:59.

It was great to that both GT1 and GT2 sessions went flawlessly with regards to the correct names, timely joining and leaving the server.

State your protest here:




Include the following in your protest
• The correct lap,
• The cars (/teams) involved
• The lap/sector/time (see image above)
• And a short description from your point of view.

Include a replay with at least 10s before and 10s after the event for which you protest (link). To cut a replay use mprEdit – courtesy of MikeB. Additionally a movie of the incident may be useful as well, but protests have to include a replay.

Free sites to upload movies are: http://www.mediafire.com
http://www.rapidshare.com

Grats

Quote from banshee56 :

The dark side, eh?

Lukasz, I am your father.

:Eyecrazy:

With your age, you might wanna say:

Quote :

Lukasz, I am your great-grandfather.

Official Q1 results updated in OP. Please pay attention to:
a) What session you are connecting to, whether it is GT1 or GT2.
b) Make sure you connect with the right name format.

Also note that these penalties only apply to the Q1 session, and you can make up for it in Q2.

Quote from kaynd :

And that means? Normal start procedure according to MoE rules? -> rolling start.
Or start from stand still when the lights go green?

That means start per rules. The rules state the, for MoE, normal starting procedure. Ergo a rolling start behind the SC. In the event we change the starting procedure, we notify the drivers in this thread.

You can nominate more than the maximum amount of race weekend, but not drive with more than the maximum amount of drivers per race weekend. For the upcoming race it means that only 4 drivers per allowed team can drive for both the two qualifications, and the race.

If a team does use more than 4 drivers, we will remove all laps driven by that/those additional driver(s).

Grats

Quote from anttt69 :

oops i was looking at applepies sig

If you click my Masters of Endurance in my sign, it will lead you straight to the correct website.

With the tracker still running privately, would it be possible to post an hourly screenshot of the tracker to get less rougher estimate who to fight with?

Quote from traxxion :

Good updates. One question:

How do we go about when a penalty is incurred with less than 10 minutes to go in the race?

per rules:

Quote :

* If a protest is made within the last hour of the race, instead of a DT or SG penalty, the penalty will be 30 or 45s added to the overall race time of the team in question in case there is no time to apply the penalty during the actual race.

Quote from scipy :

Stop acting like a retard. They said they're trying to model the series after ACO rules, so add distances, yes. I don't care about the problems it poses or the work involved, they have a MONTH before the next race to figure it out, if there is a need for someone to check replays, write down position of every car on track and calculate everything, i'm more than happy to help.

I appreciate your offer, but we have all that data available as well. Yes we have both outcomes, methods, worked out. We know precisely what the difference between the two is.

It is not a matter of workload, which you seem to claim, that our decision is to go with this method over the other. Our decision is based on the material for hand (LFS, supporting software) and the races which are still ahead of us. The outcome of using this method over the other option we find more weighty (see the summery of best interest for MoE in the OP) and since it will be applied in the future, it will applied for this case as well.

Quote from traxxion :

Objection to protest

Please sent this to the appropriate email address (applications _at_ mastersofendurance.eu). Objections to the outcome placed in this thread will not be dealt with, as it is merely used for information and, till a certain extent, discussion purposes.

Frankly the Dutch have just started their 6th version of the Dutch Championship - LFS.NL (If you can read Dutch, you can find more info here).

So it's not a matter of not being available, it's more a matter of who is taking the lead and would set up such a thing for other countries.

Grats