It was a good idea that I would have liked to WIN the series... ok since all other drivers forfeit I win by default!
Alt-Tab lets you know that your game doesn't have focus, and when it regains it. It just depends if the game handles it or not. Most don't care to, most games feel that if the user is playing their game that is all the user should be concerned about, also the same way most games feel about IMs or any other program running in the background. However, developers just need to handle a few messages, (at least in Windows programming) to support this. I actually thought LFS did this well, but I generally use Shift-F4 to be honest. As far as full-screen alt-tabbing, that might be an issue doing FULL SCREEN to non-full screen and back, but I can't be 100% sure about those issues involved with the alt-tab. As far as LFS Alt-tabbing goes it works here, although I am not on the test patch.
PROCEDURE CHANGE:
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
PROCEDURE CHANGE:
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
Procedure Change:
Reason:The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
Reason:The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
I would like to point out a few things here. So please be patient with this post as it may be quite long, however it will explain a few things that happened. Where as it was the first event, and the rule conflicted with what I have seen most people try to do, then I have started making some adjustments to the system and rules to resolve this issue in the future. I am sorry for those who are affecty, but we gave you points for your time, and you recieved more points than any knocked out in qualifying, which is the best we can give you.
The first warmup session was restarted not because the system didn't work correctly, because it was running 100% what I made it do. However, in qualifying session #1 the system closed pitlanes afer 10 seconds. Which, is my fault, my mistake and I had left it in from doing some important tests earlier that morning. I had a late night trying to make the system allow the 3 minute emergency pit and retry time. As admins we figured there needed to be a way for people to redo things if something happened. That was the only reason we restarted warmup.
As for the disconnect/reconnecting issue, it "shouldn't" be a problem, but maybe it was. We have tested that pretty thouroughly with Taha constantly disconnecting and reconnecting but maybe you just did it at a very specific point. I however simply said that *might* be the issue. I think however the problem, with Taylor not getting a qualifying time, and the others were all simular. I thing its possible they either A) missed the text that calls them, and B) Followed my stupid rule and did not try to join each session. The combination of those two things leads us to this issue.
I will state that the system calling your name is, relatively easy to miss. To be honest, it tells you that the session has began, which session it was, says, "Join the session within 30 seconds." and possibly a couple other things all at once. I can see people having issues catching their name as it flys up. I don't like the everyone hit Shift-J approach, but it works and you'll find your session. Maybe mid-season I will add a better "calling" behaviour to the system so this won't be an issue. But for now everyone should just hit Shift-J and attempt to join each session..
This is a very true statement, in the few series we have run we have always remained flexible with our rules when we see that they are unfair to the participants that are not trying to gain advantages or really doing things to break what we think of as key rules in Head-to-Head. The rule that was changed after Event 1, was originally made because we were just starting to make the system and the rules were made before hand. Since I was able to make the system spectate those that don't belong in a session, the rule is quite pointless. There are other examples, after Event 2 of the Summer Series a penalty was changed due to the amount of people who rolled or got stuck in the MRT, not completing their hotlap, or not reaching split one after their hotlap.
I do not agree that is called using your head. This statement is totally wrong, and I as an admin will take full responsibility for the actions of those who did not push Shift-J in fear of losing points for joining the wrong session. I gave them the points as if they passed qualifying but unfortately I can't do more. The ruling has now changed as we know so they will be happy to know how it should be done. I don't think any rule is ever stupid, its just that particular one was made for a reason that no longer exists. I give these guys more credit than a lot of others that made it deeper into the event; They read, and followed rules! Whether the rule caused them to miss out on the event or not, is my fault as an Admin, not their fault as a participant.
He did seem defensive, but it wasn't defensive to the admins of Head-to-Head. He was just jumping on Tomhah's comment above about breaking the rule, and basically taking it as being blamed for following the rules getting him eliminated. As I said above, the entire incident is blamed to the admins and not the participants that followed the old ruling. I can assure you I am extremely sorry this was the case, I have seen the system work as is for four events in the Summer Series, for four test events prior to the Winter Series and I felt it was fine, however people that read and followed the rules as they were suppose to fell at the disadvantage and we hope that the points they were awarded give them something and they return to finish the series.
I told you it would be a long one, but I wanted to cover up all bases about what happened.
The first warmup session was restarted not because the system didn't work correctly, because it was running 100% what I made it do. However, in qualifying session #1 the system closed pitlanes afer 10 seconds. Which, is my fault, my mistake and I had left it in from doing some important tests earlier that morning. I had a late night trying to make the system allow the 3 minute emergency pit and retry time. As admins we figured there needed to be a way for people to redo things if something happened. That was the only reason we restarted warmup.
As for the disconnect/reconnecting issue, it "shouldn't" be a problem, but maybe it was. We have tested that pretty thouroughly with Taha constantly disconnecting and reconnecting but maybe you just did it at a very specific point. I however simply said that *might* be the issue. I think however the problem, with Taylor not getting a qualifying time, and the others were all simular. I thing its possible they either A) missed the text that calls them, and B) Followed my stupid rule and did not try to join each session. The combination of those two things leads us to this issue.
I will state that the system calling your name is, relatively easy to miss. To be honest, it tells you that the session has began, which session it was, says, "Join the session within 30 seconds." and possibly a couple other things all at once. I can see people having issues catching their name as it flys up. I don't like the everyone hit Shift-J approach, but it works and you'll find your session. Maybe mid-season I will add a better "calling" behaviour to the system so this won't be an issue. But for now everyone should just hit Shift-J and attempt to join each session..
This is a very true statement, in the few series we have run we have always remained flexible with our rules when we see that they are unfair to the participants that are not trying to gain advantages or really doing things to break what we think of as key rules in Head-to-Head. The rule that was changed after Event 1, was originally made because we were just starting to make the system and the rules were made before hand. Since I was able to make the system spectate those that don't belong in a session, the rule is quite pointless. There are other examples, after Event 2 of the Summer Series a penalty was changed due to the amount of people who rolled or got stuck in the MRT, not completing their hotlap, or not reaching split one after their hotlap.
I do not agree that is called using your head. This statement is totally wrong, and I as an admin will take full responsibility for the actions of those who did not push Shift-J in fear of losing points for joining the wrong session. I gave them the points as if they passed qualifying but unfortately I can't do more. The ruling has now changed as we know so they will be happy to know how it should be done. I don't think any rule is ever stupid, its just that particular one was made for a reason that no longer exists. I give these guys more credit than a lot of others that made it deeper into the event; They read, and followed rules! Whether the rule caused them to miss out on the event or not, is my fault as an Admin, not their fault as a participant.
He did seem defensive, but it wasn't defensive to the admins of Head-to-Head. He was just jumping on Tomhah's comment above about breaking the rule, and basically taking it as being blamed for following the rules getting him eliminated. As I said above, the entire incident is blamed to the admins and not the participants that followed the old ruling. I can assure you I am extremely sorry this was the case, I have seen the system work as is for four events in the Summer Series, for four test events prior to the Winter Series and I felt it was fine, however people that read and followed the rules as they were suppose to fell at the disadvantage and we hope that the points they were awarded give them something and they return to finish the series.
I told you it would be a long one, but I wanted to cover up all bases about what happened.
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RULE CHANGE:
Reason: This rule is changed because the system will not allow participants to join if they are not in the system. Since there has been some confusion in the past, I would rather people be urged to attempt getting into each session, than to not qualify at all.
PROCEDURE CHANGE:
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
Reason: This rule is changed because the system will not allow participants to join if they are not in the system. Since there has been some confusion in the past, I would rather people be urged to attempt getting into each session, than to not qualify at all.
PROCEDURE CHANGE:
Reason: The procedure was coded this way in the automated system because in the earlier days we accepted the late joiners and they would qualify in session two with the other racers that didn't make it into the first session. I want to point out there is no specific on this split, because it could be half, it could be a set limit of 10 in the faster session, but whichever it is the faster session will always have the same or LESS racers than the slower session to give them a small advantage for getting a good time in warmup.
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RULE CHANGE
-This rule is changed because the system will not allow participants to join if they are not in the system. Since there has been some confusion in the past, I would rather people be urged to attempt getting into each session, than to not qualify at all.
-This rule is changed because the system will not allow participants to join if they are not in the system. Since there has been some confusion in the past, I would rather people be urged to attempt getting into each session, than to not qualify at all.
Yea this is what I explained to Taylor and what not. It could also have been timing out at the wrong times makes the system not include someone, may need to test that more thoroughly although, I hope there are no issues there cause that would be insane, and its probably dumb luck of when the timeout occurs. Either way, yes that rule needs to be changed, since that was before things were neatly done.
The GTWERX.net server has been offered to us for using for DashForCash and Head-to-Head purposes, however Dash For Cash is requiring a website still, and so is Head-to-Head. Currently Head-to-Head takes priority and is more important, and we have results to do and such. Dash For Cash may be back in time, and I hope it becomes a little more popular than it did previously.
I don't mind the idea but as de Souza pointed out its backwards, you would actually be rewarding the slower guy a lot more than the faster because they just need to block enough to not be passed, which is actually not difficult. The reason they get knocked out immediately instead of a second chance is to keep things moving, and add the pressure that I am sure you were feeling. If you knew you had a second chance, you would be more likely to let the faster person pass and just follow them closely rather than risk it all trying to stay ahead. Look at my race, I knew I could have went on to the second match, but didn't because I was trying to get an edge for his draft...
Was fun anyways, but the rule is that way for quite a few reasons.
Yes the rule is backwards, I don't particularly remember why but I think it was to do with late comers, back in the day when we accepted them, no longer seems to be the case.
Head-to-Head: Winter Series '09 - Event 2
Ok here it is, sign-ups are opening and I will send a PM to all on the list. Only the top 24 will be allowed at the event. However where as this is the second event, the championship points will take priority for the first 48 hours.
January 17th, 19:00utc
Race About at Aston Club Rev (RAC@AS2R)
To signup: (Follow this or be moved to reserve list, no matter what your points are.)
Full Name Registered for the Series (LFSUserName)
Ex: Tim Beaudet (blackbird04217)
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You must arrive to the server BY 19:00utc. There is no room for being late.
The event will not immediately start at 19:00utc, instead there will be a period where reserves are brought in to fill the empty spots.
All reserves are to meet up in the LFS Meeting Room. (Multiplayer -> Display Hosts -> Meeting Room)
As people are needed, the SRS Admin will call up the reserves until the server is filled.
If a reserve driver is not in the meeting room at the time, the next on the list will be called.
*There will be no waiting around for people to join the server or meeting room*
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Sign-up List (These are not official championship results; Goto the Head-to-Head Website to see the standings.)
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Nolan Scott (BigTime) [60pts]
Rudy van Buren (Rudy van Buren) [54pts]
Niall McEvoy (Niall09) [43pts]
Reece Pearson (Pearcy_2k7) [39pts] (OUT)
David Williams (DaveWS) [33pts]
Matthew Beattie (AMB) [30pts]
Taha El Alaoui (evilpimp) [28pts]
Tommy Østgaard (Tomhah) [26pts]
Eduardo de Souza (de Souza) [23pts]
Patrik Seidler (zeugnimod) [22pts]
Alex Gassman (Minimaxman) [21pts]
Zdeněk Cagaš (Kid222) [20pts] (OUT)
Tim Beaudet (blackbird04217) [19pts]
Stefan Alfons (Stefani24) [17pts]
Jouko Leskelä (JoLe) [16pts]
Craig Taylor (TAYLOR-MANIA) [15pts]
Bernhard Bendl (bbman) [15pts]
Luciano Benitez (enanex) [15pts]
Demetrius Adelin (Bambo) [13pts]
Niko Puntola (LFSn00b) [12pts]
Stein-André Skavdal (stein-andre) [11pts]
Lukasz Kaczmarek (Mischief007) [10pts]
Tony Lönnström (tonyonparas) [9pts]
Arco Moor (exspeed) [8pts]
Reserve List
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Scott MacDonald (Mackie The Staggie) [6pts]
Chris Karsten (Chrisuu01) [6pts]
Chris Ford (CSF) [0pts] (OUT)
Jason Lovett (JasonL220) [0pts]
Martin Kapal (Flame CZE) [0 pts]
Andris Pavars (andRo.) [0pts]
Kasper Johnsen (Kaw) [0pts]
Shaun Dacosta (shaun463) [0pts]
Sander Kronberg ([GT]Sannjx(EST)) [0pts]
Ant Collett (anttt69)
January 17th, 19:00utc
Race About at Aston Club Rev (RAC@AS2R)
To signup: (Follow this or be moved to reserve list, no matter what your points are.)
Full Name Registered for the Series (LFSUserName)
Ex: Tim Beaudet (blackbird04217)
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You must arrive to the server BY 19:00utc. There is no room for being late.
The event will not immediately start at 19:00utc, instead there will be a period where reserves are brought in to fill the empty spots.
All reserves are to meet up in the LFS Meeting Room. (Multiplayer -> Display Hosts -> Meeting Room)
As people are needed, the SRS Admin will call up the reserves until the server is filled.
If a reserve driver is not in the meeting room at the time, the next on the list will be called.
*There will be no waiting around for people to join the server or meeting room*
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Sign-up List (These are not official championship results; Goto the Head-to-Head Website to see the standings.)
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Nolan Scott (BigTime) [60pts]
Rudy van Buren (Rudy van Buren) [54pts]
Niall McEvoy (Niall09) [43pts]
Reece Pearson (Pearcy_2k7) [39pts] (OUT)
David Williams (DaveWS) [33pts]
Matthew Beattie (AMB) [30pts]
Taha El Alaoui (evilpimp) [28pts]
Tommy Østgaard (Tomhah) [26pts]
Eduardo de Souza (de Souza) [23pts]
Patrik Seidler (zeugnimod) [22pts]
Alex Gassman (Minimaxman) [21pts]
Zdeněk Cagaš (Kid222) [20pts] (OUT)
Tim Beaudet (blackbird04217) [19pts]
Stefan Alfons (Stefani24) [17pts]
Jouko Leskelä (JoLe) [16pts]
Craig Taylor (TAYLOR-MANIA) [15pts]
Bernhard Bendl (bbman) [15pts]
Luciano Benitez (enanex) [15pts]
Demetrius Adelin (Bambo) [13pts]
Niko Puntola (LFSn00b) [12pts]
Stein-André Skavdal (stein-andre) [11pts]
Lukasz Kaczmarek (Mischief007) [10pts]
Tony Lönnström (tonyonparas) [9pts]
Arco Moor (exspeed) [8pts]
Reserve List
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Scott MacDonald (Mackie The Staggie) [6pts]
Chris Karsten (Chrisuu01) [6pts]
Chris Ford (CSF) [0pts] (OUT)
Jason Lovett (JasonL220) [0pts]
Martin Kapal (Flame CZE) [0 pts]
Andris Pavars (andRo.) [0pts]
Kasper Johnsen (Kaw) [0pts]
Shaun Dacosta (shaun463) [0pts]
Sander Kronberg ([GT]Sannjx(EST)) [0pts]
Ant Collett (anttt69)
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Anyone can join me at Sonicrealms Racing server: [SR]GTWERX.net for some practice.
I am doing 2 lappers at the moment, this gives benificial passing practice, as well as qualifying practice at the same time
I am doing 2 lappers at the moment, this gives benificial passing practice, as well as qualifying practice at the same time
Well, considering its a from a dead start a 1:12:98 wasn't too bad :P
Don't mess with me on this thread, several people have already been bumped down into the reserves, or sign-out completely because of these issues...
Aww that stinks, care to give a reason or is it personal? I ask because I constantly try making the series better, and I have a few ideas why people might be signing out but would rather know when they let me.
Could you please follow the sign-up format:
Registered Real Name (LFSUserName)
I would have edited it for you but your not signed up for the series: Series Sign-up Thread. Although fix this, and sign up to the series if you would and I will add you. I don't know how much luck you will have getting into the first event, or to another event after, but if you are determined and keep trying you might make one this series, depends on how things go.
I would like to make an appearance today if I could do so. I would have been in the other events but being in the United States I am typically working at that time... Free today though, so what do you say?
License Name: blackbird04217
Ingame Name: SRS:BlackBird
Car: RAC
Team: Sim Racing Society
EDIT: Well, maybe I was a little ambitious here. I heard about the combo, was told I had a few hours to practice and I though, "Hey, sounds like fun!" However, to be fully prepped I would need to in tip top shape and since I have been up for nearing 24hrs I am too tired for the event. So rather than ruin the event with sloppy driving, and make a fool of myself I will ignore the appearance and sit it out, actually I will go to bed. But I wish all racers the best of luck and hope the events turn out well!
License Name: blackbird04217
Ingame Name: SRS:BlackBird
Car: RAC
Team: Sim Racing Society
EDIT: Well, maybe I was a little ambitious here. I heard about the combo, was told I had a few hours to practice and I though, "Hey, sounds like fun!" However, to be fully prepped I would need to in tip top shape and since I have been up for nearing 24hrs I am too tired for the event. So rather than ruin the event with sloppy driving, and make a fool of myself I will ignore the appearance and sit it out, actually I will go to bed. But I wish all racers the best of luck and hope the events turn out well!
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You are able to sign-up, but good luck getting into that first event, if you are determined to get racing during this series it might be tough, I won't lie. But we have already planned what we will do next series we run due to the popularity all of a sudden, it was just too late to do it this time around.
Summer Series will probably be run a bit differently since the popularity is finally risen to the point where we can have two divisions. This is not a guaranteed fact yet, but it is quite possible there will be divisions next time to keep popularity the same. We would have done divisions this time, but we really didn't expect the amount of participation.
It's too late to do that Chris, I will move you to the bottom of the reserves, which you will be lucky to get in. I can't let people sign in and out of the events, look at the popularity. You are now moved to the bottom of the reserve list, but you are signed back in. Make sure you follow the procedures for the reserves when it comes event day.
For the first event only we will probably do 30 drivers due to the amount that signed up and to give more people the chance to get a few championship points that will help them in the sign-up lists for the rest of the events.
Head-to-Head is the crack, watch out, it is very addictive! :P
You've been successfully warned!
A hint when streaming from google video, deal with a big border around the video at 2 times size max! Full screening the video to the full black box is plain horrid.
Yes there were lots of penalties in this round, and some of the penalties took a long time to investigate as well, it wasn't about being cruel it was about the rules that were broken.
Yes there were lots of penalties in this round, and some of the penalties took a long time to investigate as well, it wasn't about being cruel it was about the rules that were broken.
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