Quote from th84 :

There is also a Apex Drift Association (ADA).

Not anymore: ADA closing

And of course, good luck with the new team there!

Really nice movie! Might be the best LFS vid so far!

Very good song too!

Quote from goldzxc :

anyone know how to register the ocx files in Vista ?

Quote from Bob Smith :

If you're using Vista, leave the .ocx files in the LFS Tweak folder, but the first time you run the program, use "run as administrator". This way it can register the .ocx files. Once registered you can run it normally.

?

(I have no idea myself but he did say "register the .ocx files")

On the same page btw, read next time

Quote from wheel4hummer :

To tease people that I have an XRG with an 8.1L Inline 8 and they dont?

And that's not "wasting forum resources" as you said earlier to lehegarat then?

I get two of these when I start LFSTweakS2V.exe



And I do run patch V..

Edit: Nope, nevermind. I just placed LFSTweakS2V.exe in the LFS dir before, put it in it's own folder and it works.
Thanks Redrum!

Hey!

I'm gonna try to awnser all of your questions, if I'm wrong, someone will correct me (I hope).

1. You can't really drift with FWD so forget about that (or, if you want many people calling you stupid, it's up to you ), it's just sliding a.k.a. ass draggin..
RWD is the best, AWD can be good (there's some people who drift real good in both RB4 and FXR but I like RWD much more).

2. You can find my setup and a replay here (if you don't know how to watch a replay; put it in LFS\data\spr, start LFS, replays in the first menu and there it should be if you placed it in the right dir).
Then there's a good site with lots of setups used to make world records with (and some drifting setups) http://setupfield.teaminferno.hu

3. Mouse is much better than kb and a wheel (well imo) is much better than mouse (depends on which wheel to but a decent like MOMO or DFP). I drove with mouse and I know that many do (even some people on keyboard, I've driven with that too).. Well, it's, can't find a good word here but "enough" if you know how I mean..
I had the throttle and brake like you, and then shift up on a, down on z, clutch on x and handbrake on space. Worked fine for me
You would (almost 100% sure you would) have more fun with a wheel though..

4. It's much better to learn to drive with manual gears. Then you have more control. With auto, you never know if it's going to shift in the middle of the turn and ruin your drift (havn't even tried auto in LFS but it shifts by itself and that isn't good.. :P)
You can let it clutch automaticly though, that's just for hardcore / people with a clutch on their pedals.. It's good to have clutch binded, that's a way to start a drift..

5. Chech my replay (question #2) and go in LFS options -> Display -> Show pedals -> Yes. Then you see, down to the right on your screen what I'm doing with my throttle, brake, clutch and handbrake..
You only use handbrake if it's needed, for example you're coming to a turn, and you don't have enough speed to slide through it, then you can handbrake and slide forward (losing speed but keeps the drift) and make the turn. You shouldn't brake in the middle of the corner either..

6. If it's a right turn, then you go from the left to the innercurve (right of course) and out to the left again (out on straight or something). Check my replay for that too..

7. Check my replay.

8. Drifting is balance. You keep the drift with steering, throttle, brake and handbrake. You do want to at the highest possible speed with biggest angle. That's what you're trying to do. In the beginning, start going slow into corners (just drive normally) and just throttle full until the car has started sliding, then you can release throttle and apply it again so you keep the drift. Well, I'm not good at explaining but if you check my replay really close you will see exactly what I'm doing and after a while, you'll understand too

9. How much you should steer, well, all depends on what type of corner, speed, angle and so.. That's hard to awnser. You want to keep your car sliding, if you countersteer too much, you'll end up catching your slide (depends that too but in theory) and if you countersteer too little, you'll end up spining.. So, it's all about finding that balance..

10. Just ask and I (and more I hope) will awnser as good as I can

Hope it helped!
If I'm not right about anything, please say so he gets a correct awnser.. (I'm sure I said something wrong, I'm tired as hell)

By the way, you could go online, on a driftingserver and just ask people if they can help you. Just be nice and I'm sure they'll be nice to you too..

And, most important, don't give up. It's not easy (as many think) but once you start to know it, it's much fun

Good luck!

Edit: This must be the biggest post I've ever written.. :P
My english isn't perfect but I think you'll understand

Yep, different and nice vid..

Well... 300 mb isn't really _that_ much? My movies are at ~100 mb and around 3 minutes long, that would be over 300 mb..

btw, downloading

Wow, much happening.. Fun!

Quote from frokki :

Still I haven't got a drifter-answer for the question I asked on 1st page; "Is there speed drift competitions?"

Umm, well, the competitions I've been in and the ones I've heard of, it's always about making it nice. But! The speed is in the judging criteria so, higher speed means more points. But, less angle means less points.

Here you have the judging criteria for Saiko D Twin Drift Competition (not sure about the exact name of the competition either, the forums for it isn't there now so..).

Quote from Stanley Carter :

Judging Criteria
Amended from Saiko D Drift Competition 2005, originally defined by Bunta (aka. Nuvolari) and later modified by Saiko D


Technical points to consider:

- Line
- Angle
- Speed
- Closeness & Coordination


Line:
Drifting is very dynamic, there are many lines to be taken, similar to grip racing, the best line would be the “race” line, whereby the driver start off wide at the corner entrance, then clipping the apex point of the corner, and exits the corner wide again, fully utilizing the track’s space. Drifting off the track is not a good line, but dirt dropping is allowed, but make sure you have only one wheel off the track, anything above two wheels off track is bad for your scores. Consistency comes into play in terms of choosing the right drift line, the more you get to clip the corner apex while sideways, and the better your points will be.

Scoring:
+ Smooth
+ Clips corner apex

- Going off course
- Choppy, as in going too wide, or too tight, bad lines.


Angle:
Angle plays a major role in getting good scores in drifting, the greater angle a drift is achieved, the higher the score will be. But if one managed to achieve high angle, but slows down too much or didn’t manage to drift the entire corner due to loss of momentum, the scores will not be good. I will like to see a good balance and control of good angles maintained while drifting throughout the entire corner.

Scoring:
+ High angle

- Low angle


Speed:
Great angle and good line are nothing without momentum. Rating a drift for speed is basically rating the momentum. If the car loses too much momentum clearly the drift should lose points. It is quite easy to keep a car sideways until speed drops right off. If a driver is attempting to score points by drifting long, all of this will be undone if he loses too much momentum. Drifting becomes simple skidding. The stylistic form is ruined when momentum is lost.

Scoring:
+ High speed corner entry
+ Consistent speed throughout corner

- Slow
- Lose of momentum


Closeness & Coordination
Most important criteria of all, after all, this is twin drifting we're looking at. If the two drifters manage to perform as well as the 3 criterias stated above, and also manages to kept close to each other, the scores will then be perfect. Both the leading and chasing drivers play big role in twin drifting, if the leader made a small mistake, it may spoil the entire twin drift process; Its not easy for the chaser as well as he will need to mirror every move of the leading driver, while keeping close as possible without tapping, or losing momentum in his drifts.

Scoring:
+ Real close gap between 2 drifters (during drifting)
+ Accurate cooridination

- Too far apart from each other
- Bumps or crashes


* There is only one score for each team, the 2 drifters will need to WORK TOGETHER in order to get a good score, even though one driver drifts better than the other one, but the overall twin drift performance is lacking, the team will still get a bad score. Oh... spin out, crashes... its a 0, no question about it.


Runs are marked out of 100 for each section. One track could have several sections, for example, qualify track has two sections, each section is 100, total is 200, the judge will then take the average as the final score.

Line – 20
Angle – 20
Speed – 20
Closeness & Coordination – 40
-------------------------------------
Total 100

In S2, there isn't much about speed drifting. But on the demo it's either show or speed so maybe there, they have speed drift competitions.

Sorry for my english but I do think you'll understand.

Edit: Oh btw, I do think I got this right now and if I didn't, someone who knows should correct me.

Quote from RBSteve :

I really like it, the vid has a lot of good qualities.

Some constructive critisism: The demo (LFS Saiko D demo movie.wmv, which is the only other movie by you I've seen) feels more refined, I'm not talking about the technology but scene selection and editing. On the other hand, in the Dragons movie you have much more speed and drama, some clips are awsome and elegant, but it feels like there are some "filler" clips as well. In the demo on the other hand everything felt spot on.
I would guess you put more hours into the demo though? So perhaps the comparrison isn't entirely fair.

Still, a good one and a keeper

Steve

If you want to see more (awesome) videos from kamkor: http://www.lfs-torque.net/cgi- ... b2/YaBB.pl?num=1169052938

Maybe stupid question but are you recording in lower fps and speed? Then double the fps in Virtualdub (or other program that does it)? Then you don't have to have the best computer to make a smooth vid with high graphics..

The movie is, as said, awesome

Or try using Omegadrivers.. Then you wont have to have that annoying catalyst center or whatever it's called..

I guess you want to keep your name (and site and so) so I would've asked them (the leader for that Drift Xtreme) in a PM if it's okay.. Be nice and I'm sure they'll be the same to you.

Good luck with the new team then!

Edit: Just looked at LFS-Torque and see if there was something about this team and I found this: http://www.lfs-torque.net/cgi- ... b2/YaBB.pl?num=1167105612

Ehm? :P

Bump!

Anyone know anything that can help me (and others) with this?

I don't want to make a movie and release it when the cars jump around in almost every clip..

If it's really needed for you guys to play, you could ask him to try unplugging the modem/router and wait like, 15-20 minutes and then plug it in again. If he got a new ip, he can join again..

Or, this I have no idea if it works but worth a try, /unban "your friends ip adress here"
To find out your friends ip, ask him to go on this and take it there: http://whatismyip.com/

Hope you work it out.. Otherwise, like andybarsblade says, just wait a day. Maybe join another server together or something.

Isn't there any ban.cfg (ban.txt or something) in LFS like there's in other games? Then you could easily just go in and remove it manually in the files. Well, of course, it's saved somewhere and probably in your LFS folder..

Quote from Davo :

But that layout isn't even very very big, but the extra bottleneck by fraps could be what's cuasing it.

I'm not sure i understood you right now but, the cars jump around when I'm not recording. Even if I shut down Fraps...


Edit: Can't be the layout. It's the same in singleplayer replays without any layout.

Last edited by Bosse, Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:33.

Quote from Davo :

I know that layouts put an extra strain on ym system becaue all the extra objects have to be drawn. When autocrossing with a layout with lots of objects I have to drop the resolution so that the frame rate stays high.

Yes, I do know that it pulls the fps down quite much on a computer that isn't very good.. But, I have a good computer and have no problems really with driving or recording when there's a layout with lots of stuff. (btw, I only record with 20 fps anyway so that is not a problem)

Here's a new vid showing this, stuttering (or whatever to call it): http://www.megaupload.com/se/?d=40Q3UXT3
There you see, that there isn't any layout with lots of barriers and so..
Here's a picture of the _whole_ layout but still, it's a layout and I think it's enough to "f**k it up"...:
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r264/Bosse_/lfsbug.jpg

I've tried with different resolutions and fps. And higher res/fps makes the cars flip even more.. When I make movies, I'm at 1024*768 @ 20 fps and it's much better than higher res/fps but still, it's there and you see it.

Last edited by Bosse, Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:23.

First, sorry for bumping an old thread but still, the problem is here and this time I tend to see it everywhere.

Right, the problem is, for those who don't get it, is that when you are in shift + u mode and right clicking and following some car(s), they lag forwards and backwards really quick..

I was going to make a new movie now and I can't have cars that's jumping around all the time i move the camera..

After some talking to different people and some testing, I think it is because of layouts. Since, in my last movie, Beautiful (if someone wanna look: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=14446), in the second clip there's two orange cars drifting on a autocross layout and they are "jumping around" too. And now, when I started with my new movie and saw the cars "jumping around" (don't know a good word for it, maybe stutter?) I rememberd that there was a layout on that server I took the replay from. So I tested with another replay, from a different server and it does not do like this.

So maybe this thread should be moved to some bugs-forum and maybe (hopefully) get fixed?

Last edited by Bosse, Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:57.

Quote from -DrftMstr- :

nice shots, Bosse! awesome scene: KeiO, SaikoD, dK, YF!! all there

hehe thanks You missed two, FD (the car to the left in the pic with four cars) and Team Orange too.. =)

Some screens from today.. Fun session













And two from another day with Manta..





Maybe not so good but atleast you see the cars.. :P

If you know him irl, can't you buy it for him from England like you did? Maybe I didn't get it right, if so, sorry.

Yep, as said Fellan, it's a really nice vid! =)

Yay! Now it works for me too