Session: Race
My Name: I.Fermevc
Cars Involved: 10 A. Pettigrew and 81 I.Fermevc
Lap: 6 (after restart, T1) (approx TC 8:00 - Please leave TC in, it is for quick finding of incident)
Description: Turned into my back while clearly could see me in front of him.
We had same speed, I had nearly whole car lenght in front, but still he wouldn`t lift or steer away and avoid contact. Maybe a lag issue but there was enough place for all of us!
My Name: I.Fermevc
Cars Involved: 10 A. Pettigrew and 81 I.Fermevc
Lap: 6 (after restart, T1) (approx TC 8:00 - Please leave TC in, it is for quick finding of incident)
Description: Turned into my back while clearly could see me in front of him.
We had same speed, I had nearly whole car lenght in front, but still he wouldn`t lift or steer away and avoid contact. Maybe a lag issue but there was enough place for all of us!
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Session: Race
My Name: I.Fermevc
Cars Involved: 22 S.Rose and 81 I.Fermevc
Lap: 39 (after restart, down the strait)
Description: Turned into my back while clearly could see me in front of him.
Best thing is "81 not turning for the turn"
What turn m8? We were on the strait part of track!
You`ve had plenty of track and space given by Teien to the right, so no room for your protest!
You`re trying to tell us that your racing line is the best and all should follow, and if you see anyone on your racing line you`ll hit him no matter what!
I`ve explained the issue regarding me going from 8th to 1st place, there was no intention - just luck and mistakes made by others! You don`t mind your team mate Murphy catching my draft
My Name: I.Fermevc
Cars Involved: 22 S.Rose and 81 I.Fermevc
Lap: 39 (after restart, down the strait)
Description: Turned into my back while clearly could see me in front of him.
Best thing is "81 not turning for the turn"
What turn m8? We were on the strait part of track!
You`ve had plenty of track and space given by Teien to the right, so no room for your protest!
You`re trying to tell us that your racing line is the best and all should follow, and if you see anyone on your racing line you`ll hit him no matter what!
I`ve explained the issue regarding me going from 8th to 1st place, there was no intention - just luck and mistakes made by others! You don`t mind your team mate Murphy catching my draft
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I totally agree with Maber about SC,
First of all, none of us is keeping steady speed and 2-3 car distance, whole pack is going slow-fast-slow..., too many yellow flags during SC, contacts, tire warming which I think causes LFS to show Yellow.
Even if it`s interesting to see SC like in real life, IMO we could have better races without it! Cars that are damaged, roofed, etc. should spec and the rest can continue racing.
We`ve discussed SC issues earlier but with no luck. All bad things are happening in every race, like we are stupid or what.
About me "holding back the queue" (sorry for my english, but didn`t quite understand you):
It was not my intention to gain any advantage after restart, it just happened that I had the speed cause all of you were too close to each other. Rose and Teien were touching, Barry had a bad restart which led to Rosic and Chebbi nearly made contact. I even lifted in order not to hit car 17 and 69. I have risked very much by passing close but it was clean. I was almost full lenght in front of car 22 so there wasn`t any reason to be crashed by him. I`ve looked left and right for sure, and did hold the race line and didn`t even had a chance to make left-hand turn as you would like me to do. You should look both mine and your team mate steering wheel position. Clearly he was steering to the left into me, and I`m sure that a little bit of lag did the rest but let the marshals be the judge of that.
First of all, none of us is keeping steady speed and 2-3 car distance, whole pack is going slow-fast-slow..., too many yellow flags during SC, contacts, tire warming which I think causes LFS to show Yellow.
Even if it`s interesting to see SC like in real life, IMO we could have better races without it! Cars that are damaged, roofed, etc. should spec and the rest can continue racing.
We`ve discussed SC issues earlier but with no luck. All bad things are happening in every race, like we are stupid or what.
About me "holding back the queue" (sorry for my english, but didn`t quite understand you):
It was not my intention to gain any advantage after restart, it just happened that I had the speed cause all of you were too close to each other. Rose and Teien were touching, Barry had a bad restart which led to Rosic and Chebbi nearly made contact. I even lifted in order not to hit car 17 and 69. I have risked very much by passing close but it was clean. I was almost full lenght in front of car 22 so there wasn`t any reason to be crashed by him. I`ve looked left and right for sure, and did hold the race line and didn`t even had a chance to make left-hand turn as you would like me to do. You should look both mine and your team mate steering wheel position. Clearly he was steering to the left into me, and I`m sure that a little bit of lag did the rest but let the marshals be the judge of that.
I`m so revolted like never before!
Missed to save replay, so for now I`ll just say "big thanks" to anyone who spun me twice!
I had good pace and really payed attention to everyone else. Also had a couple of touches during SC, sorry to all for that.
Special apologies to car 30 (nikopdr) for staying on the race line during first qualy!
I had no intention to be in the way (bad fuel strategy), it was just a lack of attention for other cars on track. For that I`ll accept any marshal decision!
I`ll watch the replay and file a couple of appeals for sure!
Missed to save replay, so for now I`ll just say "big thanks" to anyone who spun me twice!
I had good pace and really payed attention to everyone else. Also had a couple of touches during SC, sorry to all for that.
Special apologies to car 30 (nikopdr) for staying on the race line during first qualy!
I had no intention to be in the way (bad fuel strategy), it was just a lack of attention for other cars on track. For that I`ll accept any marshal decision!
I`ll watch the replay and file a couple of appeals for sure!
Team: Serbian Chromed Pistons
Car #69: Cile Rosic
Car #71: Zoltan Palatinus
Car #81: Igor Fermevc
Car #90: Alen Terzic
Alen Terzic resolved his PC problems so he`s back in car 90, and Ivan Todorovic can`t race LLWS `cause he is in GTAL, so we put Cile Rosic into car 69. Cile Rosic (LFS name cile28 has "CTRA International B license", driven over 10000km, ...).
Sorry for this late change, but found out too late.
I hope league admins would accept this.
BR
Car #69: Cile Rosic
Car #71: Zoltan Palatinus
Car #81: Igor Fermevc
Car #90: Alen Terzic
Alen Terzic resolved his PC problems so he`s back in car 90, and Ivan Todorovic can`t race LLWS `cause he is in GTAL, so we put Cile Rosic into car 69. Cile Rosic (LFS name cile28 has "CTRA International B license", driven over 10000km, ...).
Sorry for this late change, but found out too late.
I hope league admins would accept this.
BR
I accepted Arox`s apology, he was fair after the race.
Just to say that I didn`t have "yellow" at the moment of Arox`s mistake. I saw him out of racing line and decided to pass him, but he did left very little room for me and contact was made. I agree that he could be more aware, but due to his fair and sport behavior after the race, I`m OK!
I totally lost the car after this and while rejoining hit the tires, spun and someone crashed into me. I`m really sorry that others got involved.
Let the admins be judge about this if needed!
Just to say that I didn`t have "yellow" at the moment of Arox`s mistake. I saw him out of racing line and decided to pass him, but he did left very little room for me and contact was made. I agree that he could be more aware, but due to his fair and sport behavior after the race, I`m OK!
I totally lost the car after this and while rejoining hit the tires, spun and someone crashed into me. I`m really sorry that others got involved.
Let the admins be judge about this if needed!
Thanks for fair judgement Deko.
As I said many times before, it was not my intention to block or cause a crash.
I`m sorry that this manuver ended with contact and caused other cars to crash also.
I will be more aware in the future for shure, but then again, when the race starts and engines are roaring, cars side by side, adrenalin pumping,... not many drivers can stay 100% focused.
As I said many times before, it was not my intention to block or cause a crash.
I`m sorry that this manuver ended with contact and caused other cars to crash also.
I will be more aware in the future for shure, but then again, when the race starts and engines are roaring, cars side by side, adrenalin pumping,... not many drivers can stay 100% focused.
My team mate (sandzama) would like to take part in final race. He was in Jamaica NC event prior to LFSCART start but haven`t been able to participate after. He joined LFSCART LIGHT (car 90) also.
Is there any chance to let him race tomorow?
As I said in post race thread, sorry for that. I wasn`t closing on 11 (it would be stupid), just had wrong line and try to correct it a little (otherwise would hit the wall). IMO, car 11 was in better position to see, so he could backed up a little
It wasn`t intentional, and I`m more disappointed than you about this - was 3rd at start, and after that incident my race went to hell.
I watched the replay of first GREEN, and I`m not 100% shure what happened.
I was moving from a wall just enough to touch car 11. He was in better position to see and backup a little, but ....
Sorry to car 11, and to all affected by this incident. Hope it wasn`t caused much damage to someone`s car, I was lucky to pass with minor suspension faults.
I was moving from a wall just enough to touch car 11. He was in better position to see and backup a little, but ....
Sorry to car 11, and to all affected by this incident. Hope it wasn`t caused much damage to someone`s car, I was lucky to pass with minor suspension faults.
According to rulebook (III-6), team can sign up more than 4 drivers if all drivers fulfill entry requirements. Anyway, I`ve PMed Falke with a question about this without reading the rulebook.
I`ve edited signup post for SCP Team (post No 57) with new driver details.
Main reason for reserve driver is that our original car 90 driver "terga" is having some trouble with his PC, and probably won`t be able to drive the Clockwise event.
I`ve edited signup post for SCP Team (post No 57) with new driver details.
Main reason for reserve driver is that our original car 90 driver "terga" is having some trouble with his PC, and probably won`t be able to drive the Clockwise event.
Team: Serbian Chromed Pistons
Car #69: Ivan Todorovic
Car #71: Zoltan Palatinus
Car #81: Igor Fermevc
Car #90: Dragan Brestovac
Standby driver: Alen Terzic (PC problems until further notice)
Car #69: Ivan Todorovic
Car #71: Zoltan Palatinus
Car #81: Igor Fermevc
Car #90: Dragan Brestovac
Standby driver: Alen Terzic (PC problems until further notice)
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Reason : Change of driver for car 90
GOT IT PAUL
Thanks again for info and examples. I accept your explanation as you`re experienced racer, so you know how things work.
This was my attempt to clear up some things in my head, but at the end it all ends up in statistic and math.
I totally respect the choice one makes when putting holiday in front of sim-racing, so I`m finished with this issue and wish good luck to all in the future!
Thanks again for info and examples. I accept your explanation as you`re experienced racer, so you know how things work.
This was my attempt to clear up some things in my head, but at the end it all ends up in statistic and math.
I totally respect the choice one makes when putting holiday in front of sim-racing, so I`m finished with this issue and wish good luck to all in the future!
There`s nothing to discuss about when you time out both S and F race
My ping was >2500ms, and I was driving a couple of laps "alone". Hopefully didn`t take anyone out I think, sorry if I did.
I was online whole day with no problems and when the Q started things got worse.
I`m really trying to change my ISP but so far no success.
My ping was >2500ms, and I was driving a couple of laps "alone". Hopefully didn`t take anyone out I think, sorry if I did.
I was online whole day with no problems and when the Q started things got worse.
I`m really trying to change my ISP but so far no success.
Thanks for explanation Paul.
You`re right about half full/half empty issue, and I didn`t understand the implementation of this rule
.
I didn`t want to argue about whole thing, just didn`t understand how you can deduct "zero" (nothing) from someones result. When I take into concern other things you`ve mentioned (timeout, illness, holiday, bad day,....), I`m beginning to get the point of this rule.
So, to conclude, I think that next time it would be nice to point out the obvious for us noobs, and explain the rule by real example.
On the other hand, maybe not use this rule at all.
You`re right about half full/half empty issue, and I didn`t understand the implementation of this rule
.I didn`t want to argue about whole thing, just didn`t understand how you can deduct "zero" (nothing) from someones result. When I take into concern other things you`ve mentioned (timeout, illness, holiday, bad day,....), I`m beginning to get the point of this rule.
So, to conclude, I think that next time it would be nice to point out the obvious for us noobs, and explain the rule by real example.
On the other hand, maybe not use this rule at all
.Team Name: Serbian Chromed Pistons
Entered Cars : 4
Starting numbers for the cars: 69, 71, 81, 90
License Applications for the team:
Ivan Todorovic / ivantod / Male / SRB
Zoltan Palatinus / ki-men / Male / SRB
Igor Fermevc / fermevc / Male / SRB
Alen Terzic / terga / Male / SLO
Dragan Brestovac / sandzama / Male / SRB
Entered Cars : 4
Starting numbers for the cars: 69, 71, 81, 90
License Applications for the team:
Ivan Todorovic / ivantod / Male / SRB
Zoltan Palatinus / ki-men / Male / SRB
Igor Fermevc / fermevc / Male / SRB
Alen Terzic / terga / Male / SLO
Dragan Brestovac / sandzama / Male / SRB
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Reason : Reserve driver for car 90!
Oh boys, very brave idea.
I understand your effort and costs for running NDR events, but I think that if something is OPTIONAL it`s doomed. On the other hand, many of LFS racers are unemployed/students and it was hard for them to pay for S1/S2. Do you really think they would "donate" to participate?
I think it would be better if you try some kind of sponsorship first, and if that fails, you can ask for donation. I`m sure that there is someone that could help you host the servers, vent....
Another solution is cutting the costs, maybe organize less leagues.
One more thing, offer some kind of partnership to ones interested in organizing LFS events, share costs, have less work,....
Your events are very well organized, I enjoy participating (when my connection works), so if "donating" means NDR survival, you shouldn`t wory about money, it will come.
I understand your effort and costs for running NDR events, but I think that if something is OPTIONAL it`s doomed. On the other hand, many of LFS racers are unemployed/students and it was hard for them to pay for S1/S2. Do you really think they would "donate" to participate?
I think it would be better if you try some kind of sponsorship first, and if that fails, you can ask for donation. I`m sure that there is someone that could help you host the servers, vent....
Another solution is cutting the costs, maybe organize less leagues.
One more thing, offer some kind of partnership to ones interested in organizing LFS events, share costs, have less work,....
Your events are very well organized, I enjoy participating (when my connection works
), so if "donating" means NDR survival, you shouldn`t wory about money, it will come.@ Agarash,
You`re missing the drivers name tag on new skins!
You`re missing the drivers name tag on new skins!
Nobody talked about fails!
We were just posting out of pure boredom while waiting PM with PWD.
Yo Ki, if we make 37-38, we won`t even start the race
.If "Rudy-Judy" shows up, 107% rule is not our friend
+1 for Jack!
He always finds a compromise
BTW, what`s 50% of "0"?
He always finds a compromise
BTW, what`s 50% of "0"?
I understand fully this type of scoring, you didn`t make anything new.
My point was that in 4 races league it`s wrong to implement such a rule.
Specially to count DNS as worst score.
I think that DNS is what it is, not a score.
It`s against common sense to discard "0" pts.
DNS should be sanctioned like in OLFSL (you qualify for event but you don`t show, you get -40 pts.).
If someone decided not to join because he knows that he would be discarded "0" points, of course he`ll do that (Example: I don`t know KY2 track - what the hell, I won`t show up, no big deal, my other 3 races will count, and I don`t lose anything). I joined this league to have fun and race with top players, not to do the math and calculate. :thumbsdow
It is obvious from my example that guys who made all 4 races are "punished", while others "profited" from "DNS"!
Again, this is my opinion, I don`t judge or ask you to change the results.
This was only my try to point out the obvious mistake.
My point was that in 4 races league it`s wrong to implement such a rule.
Specially to count DNS as worst score.
I think that DNS is what it is, not a score.
It`s against common sense to discard "0" pts.
DNS should be sanctioned like in OLFSL (you qualify for event but you don`t show, you get -40 pts.).
If someone decided not to join because he knows that he would be discarded "0" points, of course he`ll do that (Example: I don`t know KY2 track - what the hell, I won`t show up, no big deal, my other 3 races will count, and I don`t lose anything). I joined this league to have fun and race with top players, not to do the math and calculate. :thumbsdow
It is obvious from my example that guys who made all 4 races are "punished", while others "profited" from "DNS"!
Again, this is my opinion, I don`t judge or ask you to change the results.
This was only my try to point out the obvious mistake.
Discarded round issue!
First to congratulate all participants and most of all DU-GASER for winning the league.:clapclap:
I would like to talk about the discarding the worst round but not because I want to change the final results, so don`t get me wrong.
IMO, if someone don`t show up for the race that is not his worst result!
I`ll use real stats to explain what I mean, but again not to affect the final results.
SCP Igor*cisco
Race 1 - 314 pts
Race 2 - 273 pts
Race 3 - 232 pts
Race 4 - 432 pts
Total - 1251 pts
Worst - 232 pts
Final - 1019 pts
PLZ-Ulisse
Race 1 - 469 pts
Race 2 - 0 pts
Race 3 - 420 pts
Race 4 - 490 pts
Total - 1379 pts
Worst - 0 pts
Final - 1379 pts
So IMO Ulisse and all that didn`t start the race should have discarded worst result from the race they finished and not the one they didn`t start.
I would like to hear from other what they think about this so next season would be clear.
I would like to talk about the discarding the worst round but not because I want to change the final results, so don`t get me wrong.
IMO, if someone don`t show up for the race that is not his worst result!
I`ll use real stats to explain what I mean, but again not to affect the final results.
SCP Igor*cisco
Race 1 - 314 pts
Race 2 - 273 pts
Race 3 - 232 pts
Race 4 - 432 pts
Total - 1251 pts
Worst - 232 pts
Final - 1019 pts
PLZ-Ulisse
Race 1 - 469 pts
Race 2 - 0 pts
Race 3 - 420 pts
Race 4 - 490 pts
Total - 1379 pts
Worst - 0 pts
Final - 1379 pts
So IMO Ulisse and all that didn`t start the race should have discarded worst result from the race they finished and not the one they didn`t start.
I would like to hear from other what they think about this so next season would be clear.
Again no posts in pre race thread! Very quiet league finish
Does this mean that all are well prepared and ready for race or most of us are still on summer brake. Hope that there will be more drivers at Aston
It was very helpful when a lot of us were practicing combos at the start of the league. I was able to "grab" some good sets and do more practice and become more competitive, but ... I`ll do my best and hope I won`t time out again
Does this mean that all are well prepared and ready for race or most of us are still on summer brake. Hope that there will be more drivers at Aston
It was very helpful when a lot of us were practicing combos at the start of the league. I was able to "grab" some good sets and do more practice and become more competitive, but ... I`ll do my best and hope I won`t time out again
I`m sorry for making TWO cautions and then timed out.
I knew that something`s gonna go wrong a minute we started, but hope dies last.
So, I decided to give it a go, but was not fully prepared for this combo.
Anyway, once again SORRY for bringing SC out, and messing someones good pace.
I knew that something`s gonna go wrong a minute we started, but hope dies last.
So, I decided to give it a go, but was not fully prepared for this combo.
Anyway, once again SORRY for bringing SC out, and messing someones good pace.
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