it's a great idea! but ppl.. go to lfsw and click on lfs remote and then open a server that runs on westhill, you can see in the middle on the right side a road ( piece of track ) turning into a black area that looks like a lake! this could be that prefect second track, or maybe is Eric/scawen allready doing this because it looks like a fine worked out race path

i sure hope so!

p.s. i have made a picture and modded it like i would like it

lol

just don't hit a tree with a F3000

Quote from Bob Smith :

Almost as annoying that the cars even HAVE gear indicators on the dashboard. Consider yourselves lucky.

lol thats treu! but when the car has gear indicators, it has to be in a position where u can see it. i can drive easaly without it, only when i'm new with a car on a track it is good to see in what gear i am ( still having a momo not a G25 where u can see in what gear u are )

just make a 2.0L n/a version of an FXO and RB4 and give it the looks and handling of a WTCC car!

in a few cars Like XRR, XRT you can't see on the dash in what gear you are. the steering wheel is front of it. or has it something to do with rider position?

Quote from Karbine :

Er, no. Every sound sample is a single pop noise, and LFS's sound engine works by multiplying those samples. You can't get a 6 cylinder sound with a 4cylinder engine.

-Dude56 is a friend of mine.

Oke yr right not exactly the same as an FZ5.. but what i mean is the basic sound of an FZ5 but then in a FXO.. ofkorse it is not completely the same

you can change the car engine sound yourself..

Go to LFS map / data / engine/ and then change the name of this file; FZ5_default.eng and FZ5_default_1.eng

kopie thes files to a other map, change the names into FXO_default.eng and FXO_default_1.eng. then copie these files again and replace them into the Engine map. tadaa you have the FZ5 v6 engine sound in yr FXO


you also can do a mix of car sounds! just the same way as i told before but then use for example FZ5_default.eng and MRT_default_1.eng and change the names to FXO!

verry easy and no work for scawen so he can go on holiday

grtz

looks like fun to me!

lol

it is a good idea but only by people that know how to.. and not just everyone.

i think it would be nice to do it this way, at masterskinners you have an competition who makes the best skins. well if the devs could hold a competition about, who can make the best "unoficial" track. and let the devs or a smal group test the 10 competitiors tracks. and then let the devs or users vote. and the winner will be implemented into LFS!!

Quote from scania :

you are talking to who?<<XXXXX
Who are you talking to?

To you! altough.. 35km is a bit long :P

Quote from Primoz :

If you mean the F1 car, same as any F1 car, i'd prefer the BMW Turbo then, with a rumoured 1400 bhp out of a 1,4 engine for qualification.

If you mean the McLaren F1 road car, that didn't have any turbos...

No i ment the CAN-AM Mclarens from the sixties seventies

Quote from 5haz :

How about we have a car thats absolutely brutal, and takes immense skill to master, id like to see those who could wrestle a difficult car and win in it.

How about say a CAN-AM style thing, if you know what I mean, with huge tires and rear wing and a twin turbo 8 litre engine that puts out 1500HP (with variable boost so it can be turned up for qualifying!), a fictional competitor to the Porsche 917/30 and Shadow perhaps.

As the original CAN-AM was a more or less a free for all, anything could go so it probrably wouldnt be too hard to whack up something really radical.

And as for handling, immense tourque and power but with early 70's chassis technology, and explosive boost from the turbos, and lots of flame spitting antics!

I doubt this post will get noticed though

Joe

those cars like the Mclaren had a huge Turbo lag aswell!! when you let down the throttle the engine continued for 2 or 3 seconds lol!!

Lfs has a pretty good feeling of the cars when you practise a lot and you know what to change on yr setups and so lets say 30% realism?? but it would be impossible to add all movements, forces and so into the sim. and if it was possible, it would take ages to recreate your 13 slivia with an LS1 engine! and there are other facts that change yr cars handeling like weather, Human Gforces, dust/oil on track. if you wan't a realistic car, then the enviorment must be even as realistic otherwise it just won't work. best thing to do is go out in the weekend, get some spare springs with diffrent stiffnes, other tires, brake pads/discs, coilovers, strutbars, enginemounts, gear ratio's and more.. test the diffrent parts and write the diffrences in a notebook. this is maybe expensive but it is the ONLY way to learn. an yes i know what i'm talking about.. :rally_dri

Last edited by henrico-20-, Mon 21 Jan 2008, 12:49.

something like the superstars class in Italy with the bigger V8 cars. looks a lot like aussie V8's

:bounce8:

nice idea

i think it wil be in LFS finaly, you also have the option to set a time race and a lap race. maybe S3...

I think everybody can post what they want to post! otherwise it wouldn't be "Improvement suggestions" but it would be "Improvement sugestions but only for racers and nobody else"

I realy don't see the problem of people asking for drift or cruise or enything related questions. if you don't like drifting you don't reed it or put yr opinion in it. if you don't like cruise you don't read it!

There are so many crap topics about racing lets talk about that and close them!

and talking about growing up.. people always disliking others sugestions and don't have an open mind for it need to grow up!

And yes i'm a racer to..

race karts

ice racing would be nice! i would love some extra rally/ hillclimb or rallycross track anyway

Quote from Woz :

Actually not really. In reality I should have thought LONG AND HARD about how I worded the initial post. I made the original post when I was a bit upity and we had been flooded in drift related requests for a while. I was also hard in my original tone.

I, like yourself, have realised that what most like to think of as small sub communities within LFS are actually far far larger than most realise. It might be they realise but just don't want to admit it.

Take curse servers, most of us racers just don't understand them but they are VERY VERY popular, as the server list shows. Another sub community many would prefer to try and wash away.

The drift community does not help itself though with bullsh*t like calling a drift battle a race or the belief with the younger crowd that the fastest way around a corner is arse out wheels on fire.

I still think back to when I started to snowboard. When snowboards were BANNED on most mountains and all you got from skiers was hatred and abuse, how that has changed and now snowboard tech has moved into skis to give the carving ski and twin tip. Neither of which existed before snowboards.

It is much like the race/drift friction we have now, just a different setting. Same old fight, race vs drift, ski vs snowboard, skateboard vs rollerblade, red hat vs blue hat

In the same way, much of the early snowboarders didn't help the situation because they were too young and had attitude that just caused more friction. Now the average age of snowboarder has increase the friction is all but gone and everyone is happy.

Many of the people that rail against the drift car idea I feel do it because they hear the word drift and just react. Much the same as the skiers did when they heard the word snowboard.

As much as they might not like drifting, it WILL become more and more popular. It will become more mainstream and there is NOTHING they can do to change that. They just have to learn to share toys in the same way that skiers had to learn to share their mountain. In the end everyone gained in that fight.

Drifting is NOT a fad that will die out in a year or two as much as many here would like it to. Everywhere I look on the roads I see cars setup to drift and the numbers keep growing.

It appears that many racers do not understand or do not want to understand how the needs off drifters differ from racing. The old "You can drift any car" phrase that comees up again and again just shows this off to great effect. So lets try this angle.

You can race any car and push it to its limits around a track in the same way you can drift any RWD car (FWD is just arse dragging ). But make setup changes to the car, tune it for that track and you can push harder and faster than you could before. You have improved the car for the specific task. It is now a better car to race with.

Before the changes you were still able to race the car, only now it is better at that task. But like any sport, you only understand how those last few % of improvments, the hardest ones to make, can help when you are good enough to make use of the tweak.

It's like the difference between a cheap mountain bike and a real one. One I would risk my neck on at 40mph offroad the other I would not. But until you really really push the limits you can't see the difference. If you just ride around town they feel similar.

This is NO different than making a car better for drift. Those last few thing only effect the people at the top, those really pushing for that last few % of performance in their chosen field. Not the rest.

Its just that LFS does not allow those setup options for the current cars and should not as thay are race biased and have beeen through patch after patch to balance them for this task, the current LFS main focus.

I am NOT saying you can't drift without these settings I am saying you can drift BETTER with them. In the same way that if you make changes to a car to make it better to race with.

I can hear people saying "OK, but how does this help racing and LFS?"

That is a very simple one. Sim racing in general is small scale and LFS is a subset of that. Online games like CS can pull in 100,000 players at any given time near 24/7, LFS might pull in 1000 and drop to 20 at the low points in the day.

The bigger the community the more profile LFS gains, the more possibilities that open. If LFS allows for all forms of motor sport it will improve the profile of LFS. If the number rise enough it could open a track deal that might otherwise not happen etc. It might let someone experience LFS that opens a door for a new car. We just don't know.

I would like to see LFS expend and open to all motorsport. To improve drag racing, include the odities likee truck racing etc. Yes I race but I understand that the world includes more than my view of it, my reality of it. etc.

(Can't wait to see how people quote small chucks of this to twist my words. When that happens I will make sure they look as stupid as possible because I believe that is no way NOT to understand this )

Great talking here! couldn't do it better!

nice layout! looks like a fast one

Quote from rainspecialist :

isnt the xrt and fzs enough 4 drifting?
(im glad the xrt is gone!!!!!! no more noobs drifting it!!!!!! in ur race)

fbm is way better thx devs!

How do you know about speeds of an FZ5? are you using a Cracked version..?

and about those noobs.. yes thats on demo servers! on S2 servers you don't see things like that..

Quote from hrtburnout :

Then adapt to the situation. The tire heat problems can be solved by using Road Normals, instead of Road Supers. Change your gear ratios if you hit the limiter while drifting. Maybe you need to change to a different technique if 247bhp is not enough for you.

I'm using Normals allready and still verry hot after one maybe ona and a half lap. changed my ratio's but any drifter agrees that the change from 9500 to 7500 is bad for drifting. now you must change gear a lot more what makes it more difficult. and yes i did practise and getting more and more to my old level but its just not the same.

p.s. love yr Avater

Quote from squidhead :

I don't see how that will not spoil a great car

read what i have written behind those points

Quote from XCNuse :

There is no need to adapt, many of you guys keep bringing up the word adaption, that is in no way what this thread is about, it's about a race car that has capabilities of drifting, it's got a big turbo, bigger engine, rollcage, and some wings and spoilers for downforce.

This thread has NOTHING to do with the XRT in any form.

I know but i've written about XRT to show what must be changed to make a XRT the prefect drift "CAPABEL" car

I would love having cars like this in LFS, Big turbo, no interiors, Imoprt 18inch rims, wings, bodykit, drift options like written above

Nissan S13 ( XRT look a like )


Toyota AE86:


Nissan S13 Silvia:


And wouldn't it be fun for racing??