But surely that wouldn't happen in a real race? I remember Schumacher one served his penalty on the final lap at Silverstone and won the race because of that but I think that caused some rule changes.

Any rule experts here?

My guess is that the pitlane is red on the final lap and outstanding stop and go and drive through penalties are converted to time penalties.

Quote from Kalev EST :

To be fair Heidfeld got very unlucky at turn one when Trulli forced him very very wide making him loose several places. Kubica on the other hand had a good start and had the track all to himself for the entire race. Don´t get me wrong, Kubica was better in this race but I think calling one´s performance brilliant and other´s a failure is a bit harsh.

Ah, that was it. I tried to think of the reason Heidfeld was so far back but couldn't remember. His performance of course wasn't completely bad but I was already struggling to come up with three drivers that messed up. And I'm still not sure why wasn't able to recover better from the first corner.

Quote from JO53PHS :

He was black flagged for repairs, but got a penalty for speeding in the pits. There wasn't enough time left to serve the penalty, so he crossed the line with a DTP and was disqualified

So it's a problem with LFS?

Why did you get disqualified?

Here's my list for this race (headers borrowed from duke toaster).

Great Success:
Raikkonen for showing Massa who the boss is
Kubica for beating both McLarens fair and square
Webber for finishing ahead of the works Renaults

Epic Fail:
Heidfeld for finishing 4 places behind Kubica
Bourdais for not even managing a lap
? no one obvious (Massa spin looked odd)


And about the question of overtaking. IMO it certainly isn't true that F1 races have always had so little overtaking even though it's true that the complaints have always been the same. Slipstreams have gotten less effective and defensive driving maneuvers have become more aggressive.

But the problem of how to improve the situation has been solved for at least three years now: no TC and proper Venturi floors. People have suspected this for years, GP2 tried it and it worked. I think the TC ban has already made F1 much more interesting but I'm less convinced by the future aero changes.

Quote from xaotik :

Or just get this torrent file: Stepney.F2007.REPACK.[McL4r3n].torrent

:ices_rofl

Quote from Bumpdrafter :

Gravity is there, kind of. R is the normal force (m.g).

Ok. Then the brackets around the 1/4 and the unit conversion are the problems.

The formula seems to be based on the idea that at your max cornering speed you will be on the throttle just enough to stop the drag from slowing you down. Not sure how useful that approach is for race track simulation. Ok I guess for a simulation that brakes and accelerates in a straight line, but not very close to real life. I think Brian Beckman had some simple calculations in his Physics of Racing series that also consider accelerating and steering wheel unwinding.

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Not looking good for McLaren this weekend. And both Hamilton and Raikkonen have surprisingly already been outqualified... Could still be an exiting race though.

And tbh a penalty for fuel crawlers on the racing line wouldn't be out of place. Although I wouldn't be happy as Raikkonen didn't get penalized in Australia for an even worse case of blocking.

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Maybe brackets around the "1/4"? Either way I couldn't come up with 95mph. Also there doesn't seem to be any gravity in your formula. What are you trying to calculate anyway? Drag force doesn't contribute to cornering force.

You can get Death Rally, Slicks'n'Slide and Wacky Wheels here. Personally I like stunts if you can find it anywhere.

I just did a quick AA/AF fraps benchmark with an mpr and setting 4x/8x gave me exactly the same frame rates when set in LFS as when set in the driver. So seems to be working fine on x1950 pro.

Quote from Linsen :

Hamilton put in a very solid performance. I don't think anyone could seriously doubt that. He qualified first, had a very good start and made absolutely no mistakes throughout the race as far as I could tell. So, in which way exactly was it handed to him?

Somebody was hacking the timing screens to put in all those purple splits and lap times.

Quote from Mazz4200 :

Not sure why you think Nakajima should be in that list ?

For me i'd have to say Piquet was the worst driver in the field, i'd even go as far as to say taking this weekends performance as a whole, he looks positively out of his depth

I added the reason in my post. Piquet only got away because I'm only judging the race and I didn't see what happened to him. If I were judging the whole weekend he would be the worst by far.

Think I'm going to make a personal list of top 3, worst 3 per race this year.

Stars:
Hamilton for being untouchable
Bourdais for being faster than Kovalainen and Alonso at the end
Alonso for being aggressive and exiting

Noobs:
Raikkonen for making two disgracefully silly mistakes
Massa for forgetting that he has no TC in T1
Nakajima for hitting Kubica

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Quote from Intrepid :

Kubica and Hamilton at the front again.... Get Rosberg in there and it's the skool of 2000 back

Probably one of the reasons Rosberg didn't want to go to McLaren: he knows what it's like to have Hamilton as team mate.

Quote from wark :

Little bump: anyone seen the "Watch this video in higher quality." link under new videos? much better than the &fmt=18 difference!

Hooray!

Doesn't seem to work in firefox. And the result is the same as &fmt=6 which should be worse than &fmt=18.

Quote from hyntty :

Did you happen to see his q2 (and practice) runs? Compared to them, the actual pole lap was unbelievably stable and balanced.

Exactly. I think his style of learning is to chuck the car around to see what works and what doesn't and then when it's time to get serious he keeps it all neat and tidy. He wasn't very happy with his lap anyway but I don't understand how you can use the fact that he put in a faster, cleaner lap than anyone else against him.

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Here's the pole lap. Sorry for the poor quality, apparently Premiere thinks that if youtube can get away with it then so can they...



http://rapidshare.com/files/99 ... ia_hamilton_pole.avi.html

Nothing spectacular but reasonably clean. Which isn't an easy task with the new regulations. He uses more inside curb than most but the car doesn't seem to mind.

Anyway, great season start. Hamilton FTW! Ferrari FTL!

Loving this. The cars actually look alive now. The more the drivers push the trickier it becomes.

Quote from Intrepid :

The track was quite green and slipy.

The biggest problem was the rears locking from what i could see. Once the track rubbers in, and we get the to the normal circuits it won't be so dramatic.


However good to see no doubt

Yeah, I agree that there will usually be less of this sort of thing. But the difference to having cars with TC will still be quite large in the sense that the corrections in the steering, the movement of the car and the sound of the engine will help us judge how good or bad a driver exited a corner. With TC it was just the same silly noise, no matter what. Although going by yesterdays sessions the corner entry without engine braking control may be the even more significant change.

Electronics don't make a big difference, eh?






Wonder if Lewis' driving style may cause tyre problems over a full GP length.

Quote from joen :

I saw a nature documentary once about some bird, I can't recall what kind. The bird almost always gave birth to twins. The twins would fight eachother. Once determined which one was the stronger one, the mother would stop feeding the weakest and the stronger one would fight the other one till death followed. The purpose of this would obviously be natural selection. This, ofcourse, is cruel. But it also serves a purpose. So, I'm not trying to say nature can't be cruel, it often is. Nature's ways can also be unclear to us, like in your example. But I believe, a species like humankind knows cruelty to a level other species don't. Not only towards other creatures but amongst themselves too.

The bird I was talking about is the Nazca Booby and it always kills its older sibling without any decision about which is the stronger.

But of course that's all completely different than human cruelty because it apparently has a "purpose". I never know which kind of purpose is meant when this is stated. A purpose in the religious sense i.e. "mother nature says so" or a purpose in the sense that it's beneficiary to the one behaving cruelly?

If it's the former then I don't believe in it (put more elequently than I could here.). If it's the latter then I'm sure many ways can be found in which the most immoral acts of humans fall into the category of having a "purpose".

mp4 is really only only a container, not a video format (think: box to put you video and audio streams inside). I think solution to your problem is finding out what video and audio formats your phone supports, rather than testing loads of soft, hoping that one of them accidentally creates a file that your phone likes.

Maybe this is a start: http://myforum.lasyk.net/showthread.php?t=19051

Quote from joen :

No other creature gets fun out of torturing.

You mean like cute little cats that playfully fool around with the slowly dying mouse or bird they just ripped open?

Not the same thing, I know. But I don't buy the whole "mother nature knows best, mother nature is beautiful, it's just humans that are evil" argument. Did you know that one of the things that convinced Charles Darwin that other powers than God must be at work in nature was all the messed up and cruel stuff he saw in the wild? Like the Galapagos bird that always kills it's second born for no apparent reason.

Throwing a puppy off a cliff may be messed up but in the big scheme of things I think a civilisation that is still based on building armies to go to war against each other has more serious things to worry about.

Sorry if that came across somewhat heartless, that certainly isn't the case. I'm not saying those guys aren't utter jerks or anything. In fact I didn't even watch the videos because I didn't want to see that kind of cruelty. I'm just saying that being up in arms about the puppy just shows how far removed we are from just how f**** up many places on this earth are.

Does anyone know what the safe range for the engine is, where zero damage will be done? Is it the rev limiter or the end of the red range?

Also, are the shift lights on the FBM power based or rpm based?

EDIT: Just checked the second question myself: 1 red light is 8500 rpm, 3 red lights are 9000 rpm, 4 is the limiter (9200ish) and five is about 100 rpm more. The special power based shift light on the rpm overlay doesn't activate. So if you're a proper nerd you need to calculate and memorize the optimum shift points for every gear for the FBM.

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