Vehicle mod: GUCIMOTO
Details page: https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/154884

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1200cc Vtwin Cafe Racer

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Cafe Style
1200cc V-Twin
Basic as it gets.

COVER SCREENSHOT:

update, hes making quick progress.

Update

update

Cb750 cafe
Inspired and replicated for liveforspeed

Modeler - hired creator for 3d model
Currently in development.

Quote from ivancsx :

Can I report what I find?

Okay, first of all, I haven't tried D48 yet, I'm still on D46, but I can feel a whole lot improvement there ! now we could do offroading with bike, quite tricky but a whole lot improvement, where previously it's difficult to keep the bike didnt fall even on straight line

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296706819425042442/1170413807277973525/1104.mp4

but secondly, I think there's something strange, when I tried every fast bike mod, I notice there's something that wobbly when turning... I dont know if this caused by TC ignition cut that active as assist, or something else, this wobbly steering didnt happen before on old bike control

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/296706819425042442/1170650144472039434/Live_for_Speed_2023-11-05_16-04-45.mp4

I've uploaded it on LFS discord, but they suggest me to report it directly on the test patch, so here it is

that is a issue with that bike only fyi

May I ask what you mean when you reference incompatible version?

Is it possible to get a higher poly/ cleaner driver model, especially now since we have the vehicle editor?

Quote from JELLE 9990 :

Just got banned and I kinda want an explanation of why?
I’ve been riding bikes all day and had a blast with a lot of players on the new patch. Decided to try some different bikes, got on one, drove past hotel, got to the crossroad where it connects to “The Ring”, clipped some1 who came FLYING through, got kicked, joined, 0xDEADBEEF just wrote “!!!”, I sent a question mark to hopefully get an explanation but I got banned instead. Should I have yielded or what? Kinda crazy I didn’t I got time to respond before the kick and ban

More than likely they was running Times on "THE RING"
and you either didn't yield or wasn't paying attention and most likely it was a admin that was running times.

Just pay more attention next time.

I am sure OXDEADBEEFOX will be here to tell ya how long.

Quote from BorislavB :

Still not sure will get same fun that you got with cars during race but ok, maybe problem is in my head... I just wait for updated tracks and night mode.

well heres good news for you, he said hes going back to the tire model after bikes.

Quote from BorislavB :

Wonder why spent so much time on this bikes, when nobody will make championship or endurance race with them like with cars?! Didnt understand really...

1. Scawen is a biker
2. bikes are a WIP (eventually there will be events)
- rony has already hosted one time trial event and we have a discord going on for multiple races at the moment.
3. There are 100+ people that enjoy the bikes in live for speed

Scawen, you also made it possible to rip fat skids with the ebrakes on the bikes lol!
I will make a video showing soon, you are a goat my guy!

D46 is really good, overall most of us has surpassed all our previous world records on various bikes. Very good job, 10x enjoyable.

Quote from Scawen :

Thanks for the feedback, and nice riding demonstrations.

The only thing I don't understand yet is what some people say about the low speed steering model.

In fact, the angle of lean (for any given steering input) in the low speed model (between 7 km/h and 36 km/h) is exactly the same as the lean angle in the high speed model (e.g. above 72 km/h).

I tried Westhill Karting National in D44 and D45, using REAPER X1, and for me D45 was much better. D44 was swaying all over the place as if the rider was drunk. The aim of the low speed model is to make the bike easy to maneuver at low speeds, e.g. entering or leaving pit garages, at junctions etc. In fact the high speed model really doesn't work at the low speeds, so I was really pleased to find something that does work.

As I say, compared with D44, the D45 model can successfully set the lean angle and stick to it. D44 might swing in too tight or too wide and sort of swing around, it's so unpredictable even the AI can't handle it, and this was apparent when crashed AI tried to rejoin the race. Actually I haven't checked AI pitting yet but I suspect they are more successful in D45, because they try to set a lean angle and that can actually happen in D45, whereas in D44 it's not predictable.

To my mind, the D45 low speed model has many advantages over D44. So I would like to really understand what exactly is the issue you experience, what makes the "drunk rider" experience of D44 better (at low speed) than the more "in control" experience of D45.

NOTE: The extreme low speed model (up to 7 km/h - the "feet down" model) is unchanged.

So the way I tested this was in d44, I would take a bike and try to solemn the center markers, this was easily approachable as the input was more direct in d44 at lower speeds.

In d45 everything is much better but at low speed the same solemn won't be possible due to what I feel is a damper of quick rapid input.

basically it was more direct in d44 and in d45 there's a damper that prevents such rapid movement.

I don't know if I speak for everyone but if adjusting this causes issues with what you have achieved I'd rather live with this as it's mild.

Quote from Scawen :

Bike riders, please can you test the new bike steering model in D45?

I would consider this a success.

D43 - bikes was as they was pre d43, good drivable, wobble on braking, turning, maintaining speed and angle. Brakes caused issues with "pulling" into the direction of lean during braking.

D44 - brakes no longer cause pulling into direction of lean (centered wheel physics changed)
bike handling improved more aligned with exact movement of steering made (made it more darty and precise)
still had issues with wobbling on braking, turning, maintain speed and angle

D45- Brakes no longer cause any such issues under any load and lock up/ or cause endo as they should
bike handling improved further, stability is increased on all forms of riding with bike.

From my perspective I would not change a thing from here on until new tire model is around.

Scawen, I would see what SIMOX (driftis) response is as-well.

Side effects - uh, wheelies are easier now and so are endo's so thats pretty cool.

We really appreciate what your doing Scawen, the work you put in definitely doesn't go unnoticed.

https://medal.tv/games/live-for-speed/clips/1AIJWJptPaP5Zx/d1337nxlJPTT?invite=cr-MSxFTFUsODYwMDEzMzcs

Last edited by Scawen, Sat 28 Oct 2023, 09:23. Reason : reduced quote

Quote from rane_nbg :

What I believe they are saying is that, yes, the effect that is already there is wanted and is intentional, just not in the amounts that it is currently present - it needs to be toned down (less friction in the clutch pack). Similarly, when AI wanted to pass a car in front it would deviate from its path, but it would do it way too quickly and not be able to recover after. You fixed it by lowering the rate or speed at which the steering wheel input of the AI car was manipulated.

In this case, I'm not sure what you can do, but my guess is playing with the clutch friction coefficients of bikes may be the key. Or maybe a slight modification of the clutch slip curve to allow more smoother bite point, in other words less steep curve in the force vs distance graph at the bite point. I don't know how you modeled the friction force, this is quite an art in the numerical simulations world.

pretty much this scawen, the bite is so strong is unsettles the stability of the bike when shifting

Quote from Scawen :

But I still don't know what this "gear debounce" is, where it is set, when it appears. Is it something intentional or a bug?

I am not sure if it's a bug. What it is that initial shift of movement when shifting gears.
It will make the bike fall over 100 percent of the time.

How to test -
Drive each bike at 20mph in first gear and slightly lean, and shift gear and notice how bad it causes the bike to become unbalanced/ unstable.

Quote from Scawen :

Thank you all for the feedback.

About bikes, I can clearly see the issues you report...

Thank you for the update.
My issue remains with the gear debounce when shifting. It's quite exagerated and causes alot of issues. Anyway to correct this?

Last edited by Scawen, Mon 23 Oct 2023, 18:30. Reason : reduced quote

I see ai have issues when shifting gears in the bikes aswell, causes alot of instability. This seems 10x since the latest bike update aswell. Bikes shouldn't have this much gear debounce.
It's also a huge hinder for us lfs bike users aswell, regardless of lean angle the shift debounce is a destroyer.

Last edited by JayDeM, Tue 17 Oct 2023, 17:04.

Quote from Scawen :

Interesting, thanks. I'll have a look at some point in the next few days. If you could tell me specific ways to check it out and compare the versions, that could be helpful. E.g. particular bikes on particular corners that show up the difference.

I tested the same way 180mph at a straight up stop causees crashable wobble
It definitely feels better but there is that now though.

Is it possible to setup a brake bais input?
Such as if we are on the brakes the pressure will be applied 100 percent to the front and lets say 50 percent to the rear? I think that would fix it as bike brakes work independently from eachother.

(just a thought)

Quote from Scawen :

Yes, actually there were two things.
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I really appreciate the information!
you are the man, all hail scawen!

Last edited by Scawen, Fri 13 Oct 2023, 18:23. Reason : reduced quote

Hey scawen! can you give us a bit more info on what was changed for the motorcycles? I know you said it affects lean angle and tyre forces but was wondering if we could get a tad more detailed

The vastly improved ai is a nice treat scawen, I appreciate the work you put into it! Keep on keeping on. I know you mostly see wants and or complaints but wanted to throw ya some appreciation.

rip huehuehuehue

Quote from Joe mama1256 :

@turbofan plz unban me it was a false ban

lol 0xdeadbeefx0 is turbofan

facepalm....