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South City Cab Company,47,Jettascuba,Gerrit Conradie,South Africa

Last edited by Jettascuba, Mon 18 Jun 2012, 20:42. Reason : Edited number: changed from 45 to 47

I say live and let live.

Cruise and drift servers can be ignored if you don't like them.

There is some great racing servers, well populated on LFS - just know where to look. I am not specifically thinking of cargames. Think OLFSL, think GDC, Redline - mature driving and good racing.

Quote from TFalke55 :

I was like "Deko, what shall I do now? I do have a car infront of my hood!" Be honest: After your flip you did your best to trap me in my little shelter

Weeellll... actually not, but good idea though , I simply couldn't remember what the rules said about what to do after a flip . So, I was just lying there waiting to be advised about what to do... and not sure what you were trying to do either, encircling my turtled car...

Was darn unlucky to touch that barrier forming your little shelter... just couldn't understand why I flipped, yesterday I was trying my best to flip the car to test its top gear speed, couldn't do it without a ramp..

Quote from Cornys :

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I beleive that the passing prior to the start finish line even on the outside should be gotten rid of. It was the cause of my incident on this very restart and it creates alot of unstable and dangerous situations.

I agree with you, it helps to create the typical lap 1, turn 1 mayhem whereas the no-passing before the s/f line helps to spread the pack.

Well, I know I am getting too old at 45 for this - being cautious at the beginning of the race didn't help me a lot... but I'll keep on trying...

Hmmm... was so pissed off after been taken out then flipped by that darn barrier, on T1, lap 1 of the practise race, I drove one LSFW hotlap in fury to get rid of my frustrations, well, 47.94 putting me 6th in the hotlap standings... after trying for 3 days to better my 48.00...

Whatever, but Jonathan Palmer, T Falke... your race control is excellent, Jose, hard work - leaving no room for misinterpretation. Good race, wish I've been there...

Better luck to me next time

Last edited by Jettascuba, Sat 10 Mar 2012, 19:09.

Please come and join the Gentleman Drivers CLub at www.slowdrivers.net. You WILL BE treated with respect and assisted with your racing (if need be). Currently we are practising on AS Club with the FZ2 (FZ5 with 24% restriction).

PM me for more info or ask here or on the GDC forum.

BTW, also feel free to drop in on the server and drive with us - no need to register if you just want to try.

Quote from col :

What you need to do is grow some balls!

So true... seeing that Horus removed Seth's testicles...

Quote from S.E.T.H :

like i said, all of them ignored your post and they are still talking like ''how can it give you advantage, i dont get it '' and bla bla lol.

none of them really tells me why should it not be removed in HOTLAP & ONLINE mode and should be available in somewhere like TEST-SETUP ENVIRONMENT like they say its not a view but just a helper to build sets?

because i am sure most of those fake hotlaps are made with force mode on. i am sorry you guys

Why don't you put your head back up where it belong?

You must be the most stubborn dumbass that ever visited these forums.

Admins: PLEASE close this thread

Quote from Sobis :

What's ad hominen?

an expression SETH uses when he has nothing to say or lost an argument

Seth the Egyptian God is also known as the god of chaos. According to popular Egyptian mythology it would certainly seem that he created plenty of mayhem and chaos.

In the late period, Seth is depicted as an ass or with the head of an ass.

The two ancient Egyptian gods became embroiled in a battle resulting in injuries to both parties. Horus lost his left eye, however he managed to cut way Seth's testicles. The loss of his testicles is considered to be part of the reason why Seth is so often associated with infertility.

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Drive 100 000 km's and then tell me that Force Mode make you faster.

You have driven 1000 km, it is to be expected that about every lap you drive, you will do better.. During the learning curve, improvement is rapid, let us say logarithmic, as you get experienced, your improvement hits the curve's plato.

NOW when you hit this plato, get onto force mode and show me another rapid improvement.

Your current 0.2 - 0.3s improvement count for NOTHING at your current level of experience!

Put me on a new combo and every little thing I change (FOV, setup, FFB etc) help me to improve. The one thing that never helped me was force mode. I loose perspective of the car's extremities, the gray arrow that suddenly pops up right in front of me when I brake is seriously distracting and limiting my FOV. With force mode you will hit the car in front of you or the wall next to you (oval example) while you think you still have clear space in front of or beside you.

I used force mode once, and that was to UNDERSTAND and get a feeling for the RAC's front tyres on AS Club reverse (an engineer may use this as an aid to explain to a driver in real world why his car is doing what it is doing), I also watched countless replays, drove numerous laps in various modes. Standard cockpit view gives me the feeling of real racing, not this nauseous feeling of seeing a road under my feet.

Force mode is a nice theoretical modelling aid, but as a driving aid - NO WAY!!!

I have seen you argue with some of the top drivers in LFS, I have driven on the same tracks with them - you are telling them that they are liars, using unfair aids to gain advantage over other drivers. I have only seen pure unadulterated driving skills from them that stood me in awe... on Sunday I have seen Redline Stuart drove FE Gold with 40kg ballast in the UFR against some very fast drivers with no ballast, making his set the slowest in the field. Guess what, he won!

Fast is fast and bullshit walks.

Get some experience and then argue your idiocy again.

SETH

not worth the words to argue with you, you wanted reaction, you got reaction, now go back to Tetris.

Quote from vourliotis :

OMG! Thats why i am loosing the wrs!
That Joe use it, i am sure.
I am going to beat him right now in every combo.
Brb in minutes. I am going to get few wrs now.
Thanks!!1!!!!11111!!

ROTFLMAO

Go go beat him now that you know his dirty little secret for all the WR's

Quote from S.E.T.H :

first of all, i am not even as old in this game, but i'd really like to play race games, i played all the race games you can imagine (almost) ive been playing lfs for a month or two, and i really liked it until i SAW that bullshit force mode. i have never witnessed such weird thing in my life.

1) At least have the decency to buy a license before ripping a 'game' you are clueless about.

2) This is a simulation of real world and as such if gives you the ability to learn from the forces on the car to improve your racing

3) Do a decent (I mean a top 10) hotlap in LFSW before you say a nother word - for that matter, do a hotlap and prove your dribble. BTW, you may use 'F' mode if you so wish (I don't and don't need to and I know there is no advantage in it)

4) Pity you are clueless about the drivers, who replied on this thread, that you are ripping off with your nonsense - like Becky etc etc.

Last edited by Jettascuba, Tue 14 Feb 2012, 21:23.

really sad to see people bickering/fighting/wrecking over a 25 euro voucher - no wonder people murder each other over $1000 in real life.

try to install gamebooster and run lfs.exe from there, it may be a software conflict, Gamebooster will close unneccessary programs and services. - will re-open them after you close lfs..

Please go to Options in LFS

Go to Controls, select Shifter under Gear Shift mode

Select Shifter under buttons

Gears must be assigned to buttons as follows

Reverse 14
First 8
Second 9
Third 10
Fourth 11
Fifth 12
Sixth 13
Seventh none

Buttons are arranged as follows on shifter

8 10 12
9 11 13 14

Your buttons and gears are just associated wrongly, nothing wrong with shifter.

Example:

To assign First - click on button assignment next to first, on shifter push left completely and up, you will see button 8 is now associated with first gear...

good luck, I had similar trouble...

Structured racing systems in LFS...

1) cargames.nl - good, casual, continuous racing with some of the usual frustrations. Lots of variety, good admins. Track variety may be better - mostly due to the voting system whereby the same tracks got picked over and over again. Love the GTR racing when available, hate it when other drivers 'look down' on you when you drive GTR...

2) Fox Junkies - fox event every Friday evening with year long score keeping.

3) OLFSL league - 7 months with 12 combo's, lots of racers - 45 to 95 per event. Absolutely structured.

4) Gentleman Driver's Club - do you have what it take?? Respect, driving skills, willingness to practise?

5) Oval Junkies - commitment to millisecond driving line accuracy and timing...

Unfortunately all these servers got rules, they are structured... and young, fast, inexperienced drivers... DO NOT LIKE IT!

The LFS-racing pool is just diluted by other activities on the internet.

Please don't give me the old LFS-is-stagnating stance - if S3 ever come out it will keep the interest for a week or so. Modern society want ever changing activities.

I am currently closing down my 17-year old scuba diving business - it just changed during the past seven years, people got lazy, people want what someone needing to work for a living cannot deliver...

Close down all the inactive, rarely frequented servers, just delete them from the master server, if mistakes happens, it can be corrected, I suspect 90% of the owners simply won't care...

I am just a 45 year old guy that really enjoy racing and socialising with other drivers... and if I don't like what's going on, I do hotlaps.

Whatever.

Quote from justasimfan :

Were before saying anything, to clear things straight up -I love LFS.But at the same time since 2005 were s2 was released there was basically nothing of large scale been released.

Well... if you upgrade to S1 and S2 you will find heaps of new tracks and cars. And the best is, this update is within your own control! So, your point is?

why don't you try joining a proper racing server like cargames and see how it goes?

"Most people can extract them, you just gotta know which program, and that of course is no secret but cannot be spoken of on this forum "

No reason not to speak of these programs, as none of them can do ANY MORE than what you can get from RAF replay analyzer directly available on LFSworld, no state secret. These program are also available directly from www.lfs.net.

I gave you the recipe on how to extract sets from replays, take it or leave it, nobody else do it any differently - as Richard Bach ones said "you may have to work for it, however"

"Or you could just not be an arse and extract it for him..?"

Isaac... lets just be arses ;-)... "give a man a fish and feed him once, teach him how to fish and he can feed himself for life". Seriously, you can learn so much from setups when you play around with replays.



Regards

Last edited by Jettascuba, Thu 19 Jan 2012, 16:58.

Hi

For WR setups you'll either have to ask the WR holder nicely...

OR

Reverse engineer the WR set:

1) Put the best hotlap you can on LFSW
2) Compare your hotlap with the WR's in hotlap analyser
3) Now you can directly read off gear box ratios, brake settings, fuel used (look at car mass), suspensions settings
4) For wheel cambers, compare yours with the WR at all wheels and adjust as required
5) Tyres pressures you are on your own, but you will find the WR holders usually used the best set from Setupgrid and mostly keep the tyre pressures the same
6) Diff settings - do a test drive with the WR set and feel what he used
7) Traction control and ABS you can check during the WR replay
8) Toe-in, caster, steering, Ackermann settings, mostly like in (5)

And then put down your best hotlap, compare and adjust again...

Programs like Rafripper and LRA also helps lots with set comparisons and lap analysis (also to get that 3rd gear ratio digit, more important on the oval), for these programs you need to save RAF's from the replays.

Lastly, a WR setup won't necessarily get you even close to the WR, everyone got unique driving styles, you have to adapt sets to your own style. Frankly, I found it impossible to mimic WR driving styles even with WR sets...

Good luck

Quote from Mille Sabords :

Despite adversity (wife, kids, laptop + mouse, work, age...) I got S2 today (had to shamefully sneak the payment around my wife, reminds me of my teenage guilt).
I've been playing a good deal of demo and think the devs deserve this money already.
I like this guide but would like more advice: what is feasible with a mouse? I expect it would be near impossible to drive GTR or single seaters with that awkward controller.
Apparently I gather from the forums that the thing "button control rate" could help me, what are the ranges for the different car types?
I use 6 for xfg, xrg and 5.5 for xrt to keep it smoother, I wonder how other mousers set that for faster cars.
I see absolutely no chance to get my hands on a wheel, it is much more difficult to smuggle than a virtual license




Greetings from far back on the grid
Thank you

you need to buy yourself a really cheap wheel, like 25euro or something, then a few months later, you buy a G27... wife will never think about it...

Yeah, my sympathies... had to smuggle my S2 in too... followed my own strategy to get the G27 after initially buying a Genius Twinwheel for myself for Christmas 2010..

BTW, get yourself an S2 license and drive with drivers that can drive.

Quote from CDA441 :

Hello,

I'm a bit new here, but i want to know why my car is always flying out of the corner. Everytime i brake before it, shift down and accelerate, the car always ends up spinning or against the wall.
How do i get my car stable enough like driving in a real car?
--> the car should stick to the road.
This counts for all the other cars i drive.
Does someone has a setup that works for me?
Thanks in advance!

Hi

1) The biggest reason is lack of experience. I started sim racing exactly 12 months ago, and you could've given me the best set, and I would spin doing a turn. Especially, and obviously, rear wheel driven cars. Gradually I started getting control. It is all about steering, braking and throttle control, and as your experience grow, you will find it becomes easier, and more natural.

2) You are probably throttling up too earlier in the turn with rear wheel driven cars, your brake balance may be towards the rear also.

3) As a tip - and it is a tip that won't make you fast, but will give you control: Design your sets to have some understeer - increase front stiffness etc - check out Team Inferno's setupfield with setup help. Make sure your brake bias is toward the front.

4) Read the car's movements going through a turn - weight shifting, difficult in the beginning. Straighten the wheels earlier, aim for the outside of the turn, even turn against the turn (!) newbies tend to turn more and more to get through a turn, then the car will spin.

5) PRACTISE PRACTISE PRACTISE

6) Do not blame the car, the setup, or LFS, you will kill a real car under the same conditions than what you are doing in LFS. It is simply lack of experience.

7) Read up on driving techniques, do a google search for 'Driving fast techniques.

I am 45 years old, it took me 9 months, 90 000km's to have okay control, I can now drive 3-5% from WR, but still make lots of mistakes!

sccc Gerrit/Jettascuba