Quote from ddmak :

First, when someone did know that they made a mistake that caused you to go off the track or something, they don't stop and wait for you to pass them back, they gave you the standard "Sorry" as if everything will be alright and kept on going.

I usually apologize even when something is the other person's fault, but in these cases I'm definitely not going to pull over. I'm sure there are many others in the same boat.

Quote from ddmak :

Second, it usually happened on T1, T2 or T3 on the first lap. Here we have a bunch of racers very closed together. There might be a car in the front slightly lost control in the turn, I am in the mid pack, slowing down to avoid hitting him or avoid getting hit. But the morons at the back just kept on charging into the turn like they were hot lapping. No respect for the people in front of them.

DDmak

Yes, this is typical and is just people trying to be first lap heroes and get lucky. It's nothing new. If you're not already in the silver and up servers, it usually decreases a huge amount in there.

Quote from Ghost921 :

OK lets see number (1) you crashed in the nascar server and lagging everyone and saying bullshits

Number (2) I didnt Crash u on purpose it was the lag

Number (3) You were being an idiot on forum

Number (4) I didnt crash you at pit you lagged your self and got crashed then saying i crashed you

And learn how to drive please...

=\ Who did you inherit admin priveleges from?

Quote from SamH :

I think the way it's coded, the light comes on when the next gear offers more torque than the current gear. Even though the current gear has room for acceleration, the light shows that the next gear up has more effective torque to offer.

I'm not sure how realistic it is.. I don't know if real cars have this dynamic calculation.. I've always assumed it was just a "red line" marker. Since there's no engine damage to speak of at the moment, in LFS, a classic red line is a bit pointless.

Well if you mean "effective torque" as in torque at the drive wheels then that's technically the way I see it, but an easier way to say that would just be power. I always thought the shift light came on the instant of the "crossover" moment, or when the power in the next gear at that speed would be greater than the power in the current gear.

Quote from CSU1 :

:ices_rofl:bounce8:

Quote from Tweaker :

I don't think people realize just how nice the XRT drives lately

You know what I can't stand? The fact that I love the XRT, but the moment I jump in an RB4 my lap times improve by over a second. That angers me, because I hate the way that damn car drives unless I'm on a rallycross course.

Then again the XRT won't chew through its front tires in 5 laps...

I think I just need a better XRT setup. It's a wonderfully balanced car and is a joy to keep at the limit of traction setting up and exiting every corner in any track.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Don't panic though because as soon as you end up in the gravel trap from the inevitable accident you can still quit the game and play LFS.

Fixed for proper reassurance.

Funny, I haven't been able to download any skins for probably a week. Wonder why...

Well, like I said. It was entertaining while it lasted.

Shifter probably hates me for it though.

Quote from Jakg :

how did you do that, seeing as you can't use the h-gate on the BF1?

I was wondering that as well, until I tried it and it worked. That was back when I had the G25 late last year, they've probably fixed it since then.

I always got a kick out of using the H-pattern shifter with the BF1.

Quote from hazz :

Grtz

Hazz

.........

I want one.

Quote from SKaREO :

You can't really rely on your mirrors while cornering, you have to realise when someone is driving next to you. The best way to know where they are is to use headphones or turn up the volume a bit so you can hear exactly where the other car is. I always do a quick head turn just to make sure right before I apex a corner so I don't hook someone into the wall and ruin their race. Accidents do happen though, you just have to know when it truly was an accident.

I remember a pretty obvious accident that you blamed on me once... *cough*

Quote from mrodgers :

I'm sorry, did I "sound" harsh in what I wrote? I didn't mean it that way. I was just commenting on the "there is no excuse.....except 'I didn't see you' " comment. Simply accidents do and will happen. That is still no excuse. If it was me who "didn't see you", I wouldn't make the excuse that "I didn't see you", but I would feel very bad about pushing you off. If it happened to be you who pushed me off, then I wouldn't be upset because it is easy to see when it is clearly a simple mistake and an accident rather than blatent pushing to make a pass. I also wouldn't fault you for saying that if it was simply a mistake and a racing accident as well.

Ah, my bad then. I didn't mean that it was totally excusable if you didn't see somebody, but rather that that's the only time someone should get ground between a car and a hard place. In my less experienced days of racing things that I just wouldn't expect would happen, I'd make room for people when I saw them but every once in awhile some crazy mofo joins who violently rips down the track record on the first lap. If I was previously the quickest driver on the track, check my mirrors after T1 and see no one (of course he's next to me with about 50% overlap) then you can somewhat understand my predicament. Obviously in this case it would be an accident, I'd feel like a jackass and apologize when I got the chance.

Quote from Motordirex :

People get into racing because its fun, its a passion, not because they are thinking how much money can be made...I dont see it being any different with the developers of LFS. You put a lot more blood sweat and tears into something when its yours and thats how LFS will be one of the best sims ever created.

Well put. While I'd really like a good simulator similar to LFS with real cars and tracks, etc (racing the Nürburgring comes to mind, that would be insane),
it's already so good that I've long forgotten about said wishes. Now with the improved tire physics (and turbo spool characteristics maybe? ) it will only get better and better.

Quote from mrodgers :

This still isn't an excuse for it. You should know where the other car is at all times. If he is no longer in your view to the front or to the side and is not in your mirror, then you assume that he is still beside you.

I'm not sure what you're trying to debate. I'm not going to intentionally not see somebody, but every once in a blue moon it seems you're in the clear when someone's in your blind spot. This is called an accident.

Quote from theirishnoob :

the motor is the motor out of the bmw m1 ( which you guys know from its old gt days ) they just adjusted the motor , which peaks out that 501 hp with 52.3 fpt

its got a few slight changes done to it but its the same motor :

see dont mess with a bmw tech geek

I really hope you're kidding.

Well I currently reside in Santa Barbara, CA (socal) but every once in awhile I'll be coming back up to Palo Alto and possibly visiting Berkeley. (Don't ask why I'm up and posting at 5AM).

I'm a rather poor college student and my car gets crappy mileage (not to mention needs lots of maintenance before I'd take any long trips in it) but if it lines up with my travels I'd be happy to attend.

I'd also definitely be up for carving up some... appropriate mountain roads, I drive a "family" car but can hold my own against smaller, more nimble cars in the twisties.

Last edited by MorpheusZero, Tue 1 May 2007, 12:29.

Quote from SKaREO :

The way I drive, I can't use auto shifting. I need to hear the engine to know exactly how fast I'm going and when to shift. I rarely look at the gauges, I'm all about the sounds! Without manual shift I am just not as focused on my speed and control on the track. I can't corner properly without manual shifting, probably because I can't use my gears to slow down the car. I also can't exit corners properly or regain control of tyre spin without manual shift. In fact, I would lose control of the car with auto shifting turned on, it is the opposite of helpful to drivers like us.

Well, I hope you're at least paying attention to the shift light...

Quote from Becky Rose :

We welcome American racers but you guys do like your automatics!

Wow.

Low blow. Haha.

While this is true of America in general I'd say most of us who are enough of a driving enthusiast to play LFS prefer a manual box. I myself thoroughly enjoy the H-pattern shifter and probably will never buy a car without one. I double-clutch heel-toe my Maxima every day, as ridiculous as it may sound, and as for driving aids in LFS, they're all off (well, except auto-clutch, as I don't have a G25). Bring it on.

Why would one prefer an automatic in LFS anyway? Last time I tried it out it slowed me down considerably, waiting to downshift until I got on the throttle in the middle of a turn, and in the process jerking the car around. And why would the throttle cut on upshift be an aid? Flat-shifting (no-lift shifting) in theory is slightly quicker than lift-shifting, although I prefer the latter... is this somehow balanced in LFS or should I continue to cringe while listening to my engine jump in between shifts?

Try STCC1A. In my experience it seems like there you actually get more people whining about how everyone is wrecking them than you do actual wreckers.

You'll excuse my attitude towards said people--it gets old fast, and chances are far more that you're blocking traffic, being disruptive and causing contact than everyone else is.

Last edited by MorpheusZero, Tue 1 May 2007, 09:29.

Eh, as I see it it all boils down to the basics: as long as someone has overlap you give them room and you take two different lines (inside and outside). If they yield, lift halfway through the corner and tuck in behind you then you can take the optimum line, but as long as they're beside you you need to give them room and adjust entry speeds accordingly. There's really no excuse for mashing someone into a barrier by trying to take the optimum line when they have some overlap, except "I didn't see you," which I've been on both sides of. Obviously stupid mistakes are made and it's a good idea to have a "sorry!" hotkey or button, as I quickly learned.

This works equally well for chicanes, I've entered many a chicane alongside a peer and gotten through cleanly. It's all about improvisation.

Seeing as most are Silver licensed and above, you shouldn't have much of a problem with people being reckless.

Quote from Mykl :

Wow, I got seven wins tonight and somewhere in the area of 450 points. I won bronze last night and I'm over half way to silver in just one evening.

Endurance races rule!

I actually lost a position by .01 seconds tonight. I had executed a clean pass earlier in the race but got tangled up when the guy I passed decided to just run into me. The pass left me to the inside of the turn so I had to brake a little early. He decided that it wasn't so important to slow down and plowed into me. I guess it happens... oh well.

*edit* Upon review of the replay it may or may not have an honest mistake. I think he may have been expecting me to go wide so he could make a repass. But since it was a City course if I didn't slow down a little I would have smacked a wall hard. So maybe he turned in thinking I was going to go flying across in front of him. I don't know, doesn't matter... I should have done a better job of passing him.

I'll see you in the Silver server.

-Nate(dogg)

Well it's not an STCC race, but tonight a buddy and I put up a rallyx server to screw around with the RB4. He (TopShelf) started complaining that everyone's car was white so I made mine pink/purple/magenta as a joke.

T1 is always really cluttered, but we did some pretty decent driving, both managed to pass the guy in PP, started some light combat when he caught up to me and I wound up winning it by .01 second. I was trying out a setup I was in the process of tweaking, seemed to work pretty well. He set a great lap record (that was later torn down) too, 1:07.10.

Keep in mind this is my first session racing rallyx with the RB4 with an actual setup.

I've attached the MPR if anyone's interested.