1. Litchfield Subaru Impreza STi Type-25 Spec C
2. Ferrari F430
3. Ferrari GTO (1984)
4. Ferrari F40
5. Ferrari F50
6. Ferrari Enzo
7. Porsche 911 GT3 RS, 997
8. BMW M5, E39
9. Yenko Camaro (1969)
10. Ariel Atom

Basically the Impreza would be my low key urban assault vehicle, the M5 would be my "comfy" car, the Camaro would satisfy my love for old muscle, and everything else would be put on a trailer and towed to the track.

Quote from CSU1 :

I know, Im a fu**ing retard. Sorry

You posted with the best of intentions.

Trying to deal with the problem is one thing, giving people detailed instructions on how to pirate LFS by linking them straight to the source is another.

Soundgarden - Outshined

Quote from Serpentine :

erm... actually, my post was intended to highlight the ludicrous tenet of the pro-gun lobby. :rolleyes:

That's fine. I chose to not take it seriously because I feel that no reasonable person will see sarin gas as a viable means of personal self defense.





If you're happy in your anti-gun world, stay in it. If you're not comfortable around guns, or wouldn't be comfortable in a society that allows almost anybody to have one, then stay where you are. I wouldn't be comfortable in a society where I have no right to personal protection, so I won't be moving any time soon.

Quote from Serpentine :

If only the victims had been armed with sarin gas cannisters, that atrocity could have been averted!

(Sarcasm, BTW, before anyone jumps on me)

Serp.

If only somebody at VT had a nuke, that would have stopped the killer!

Quote from Jamexing :

In many countries where guns are practically banned for most civiliians, gun crimes are...drum roll...VERY low.

Let's see, Japan. Almost no civillian guns and surprise surprise, VERY low gun crime rates. BTW, has anyone heard of school shootings in South East Asia? Bet not.

Crime is crime. Who cares if a crime was committed with a gun, knife, steel pipe, toothpick, or with a bomb strapped to your chest?

Didn't somebody kill a bunch of people in recent years in Japan by setting off a chemical weapon in a crowded public area? How is that different than somebody shooting up a school? Either way a bunch of people die. I can come up with more examples of this, but you should get the point that this type of behavior is not limited to places where guns are legal.

Fear of getting shot may or may not keep the peace. People are always going to flip out and try to kill/rob/rape one another. But I can guarantee that if I, or any other person I know who supports our right to own a gun was in that building and was armed, not nearly as many people would have been hurt or killed.

Last edited by Mykl, Sat 21 Apr 2007, 13:46.

Heel-toe is useful for bringing the engine revs up to match the new gear when you downshift. It's called heel-toe because typically you use it while braking, which means your other foot is operating the clutch so your right foot needs to work both the brake and the throttle at the same time.

In my personally car typically I use the ball of my foot to work the brakes, then I swing my heel around to blip the throttle.

Basically it smoothes out your downshifts. If you downshift and pull out the clutch very quickly it upsets the car, and may even reverse lock the driven wheels. If you heel-toe correctly you can let out the clutch quick and it will be perfectly smooth.

Quote from luftrofl :

Why do we even HAVE the power to amend the constitution? It's always right and has always been right. Slavery, women's suffrage, etc. you name it and it's always been in there!

I don't understand how your question/statement pertains to my statement. Of course this amendment can be changed or stricken from the Constitution, and if you want to legally remove the second amendment, you're more than welcome to try.

Quote from NotAnIllusion :

The issue is not the right to carry arms. We can all agree that you do have that right. The point was that the God given right to carry weapons does not "guarantee a free and peaceful society", although evidently some Americans seem to think this is the case. Furthermore, the extent into which some people (and not just Americans) are willing to go to assert their right to have specific rights is somewhat scary.

Please recognize this as your opinion, unless you've got some really good numbers to bring to this conversation that might show otherwise. You may believe that it doesn't, some believe that it does. Without quality statistics both statements are pretty much baseless.

If you don't understand why Americans are willing to assert their right to have specific rights then you don't understand American society. I don't mean that as an insult any more or less than it'd be insulting for you to tell me that I don't know what it's like to live in Finland.

Something I noticed last night on the STCC server I was playing on... if you want to clear it out, load a rallycross map. Everybody leaves.

Last edited by Mykl, Wed 25 Apr 2007, 11:10.

I'm generally not a fan of roundy round type racing, at least to watch... but that would be a really cool addition that could potentially be loads of fun to play.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

cough 2005 SRT-4 cough

*runs away from Mykl

lol... quick car, yes. Great car for the money. But we'll have to disagree about it being faster. In stock trim, of course. I won't push this point because it's a little OT in relationship to this thread.

Last edited by Mykl, Fri 20 Apr 2007, 20:02.

Quote from nihil :

You have missed my point. As I said earlier, I am generally anti-prohibition, whether the item in question be drugs, guns, or high powered motorcycles, whatever... My concern is more that pro-gun Americans like yourelf seem to see gun-ownership as a right in and of itself, that the gun is what guarantees a free and peaceful society. This is garbage. And a society that believes as much is destined to reduce life to ever more simple and ever more authoritarian 'ideals'.

When the right to bear arms was first proposed, it was within the framework of an organised militia force. This implies a certain degree of training, not just of the individual, but of groups of individuals... In short it implies a social bond. It is this that I believe is missing from the American pro-gun argument.

Societies change. And the laws have to change with them.

We believe it to be a right because our constitution tells us that it *is* a right.

The United States constitution is quite clear. While it mentions a militia, it also states very directly that the right of the people to keep and bear arms is not to be infringed.

It's a shame none of the other students or professors were armed. The casualties would have been minimized. If the shooter knew that other people would have weapons he may not have even tried in the first place.

Quote from tristancliffe :

I'd just fit helper springs in the caliper (betwixt piston and pad probably).

I hadn't actually considered that. But in the end I chose the more cost effective solution. I was going to buy coilovers anyway, and I sold my old wheels to recover some of the price of the new wheels. Down the road I'm going to save money because I won't be replacing the bearings as often, and when I do it'll only take 20 minutes per side instead of several hours with a press. Fortunately the 2005+ parts are designed in a way that makes quick changes possible and easy.

Last edited by Mykl, Fri 20 Apr 2007, 17:56.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

No it doesn't sound harsh, just a bit silly. A simulation by definition is focused on physical representation, rather than content. If XPLANE has ficticious content, it is still a great simulator.

STi's are nice cars, but if I had one I would really hate being outperformed in the 1320 and on the track by a FWD car that costs 1/2 the price :hihi:

But in this case physical representation can easily be applied to the setting. I view a race track as more than mere content. In my mind an accurately modeled race track is as important as accurate car control physics. I find no real value in LFS when it comes to realistic car control, although that aspect does help considerably when it comes to what I'd like to use it for. What I'd like to use it for is to familiarize myself with real race tracks. I get my car control practice in the form of frequent autocross competitions or the occasional track event.

So in my mind a simulator is something that I use to progress my skills for the real deal. In that aspect, the value of LFS as a simulator for my needs is quite low. But one aspect of the game that I find extremely valuable is what you can learn from it about driving around a race track in heavy traffic.

There are no FWD cars that cost half as much (USDM, I know Canadian STis cost more) as my STi that can outrun me in the 1/4 mile or around the track. Unless you're talking about highly modified used cars. In which case I don't feel bad, because if I really cared I could either make my STi faster or sell it and build something for half the cost of the FWD car and go faster in the process.

But I bought my car because I enjoy it... I'm not trying to set any land speed records. I'm building experience so I can go road racing in a few years.

Last edited by Mykl, Fri 20 Apr 2007, 17:49.

Quote from joen :

True, in a way. Conscious developers will release patches when serious problems arise even after the final has been released.

However, that doesn't necessarily have to do with beta or alpha tags. There is hardly any serious piece of software that doesn't have any bugs at all.



LFS is dubbed as alpha because not all planned features are in place, and not all existing features are considered finished. In short, alpha stands for "not feature complete" Dubbing S2 a beta would be incorrect as that would imply all features are implemented. Beta stands for "feature complete, but more testing is needed to improve stability, performance, etc". The term alpha has nothing to do with the software's lifecycle.

So, in the not too distant future when all S2 features are present, S2 will go into the beta phase. And that will probably be a pretty short time, as LFS has very little stability and performance problems.

After that, the first S3 patch will be released, and the Alpha thing will start all over again

I guess as a software developer myself I consider it a bit odd to sell a product in it's 'alpha' phase. But I've been around long enough to know that the software development lifecycle is flexible guide... not set in stone.

I do admire the work the developers have put into this knowing that if they can structure their release schedule and introduction of new features in the way they have their code must be written quite nicely.

Quote from tristancliffe :

What road car have you got that suffers from pad knock back so extreme that better wheel bearings will help? What happens over bumps etc that the new wheel bearings will transmit more efficiently to the calipers and makes knockback even more prominent...

I was expecting you to say you spent thousands of dollars on new calipers, or pad backing springs or something. Wheel bearings shouldn't have that much bearing (no pun intended) on it, especially at road speeds. I can't think of any car I've driven (and I've driven plenty on both roads and tracks) that suffered knockback to a level that would mean I'd spend thousands of dollars fixing it.

2004 STi, now equipped with 2005 STi hardware. I can assure you the problem was with the wheel bearings. The heat created by 12.7" rotors with Brembo calipers running high temp pads on a 3300 lb. car would quickly cook the car's weak wheel bearings, causing them to flex, causing pad knockback. The problem was that the wheel bearings were designed for a low powered, light weight early '90's car and weren't suitable for a 3300 lb. 300+ hp car with big brakes.

The problem was so bad that after only four hours of track time I would get pad knockback driving around in a parking lot at low speed.

Several thousand dollars was required for OEM 2005 STi wheel bearings/hubs, knuckes, compatible front suspension, wheels (different bolt pattern), and ABS gear adapters. I spent a little extra and got a quality suspension setup.

Pad knockback is gone. It's a pretty well documented issue among 2004 STi owners. At least on the boards I visit.

Quote from joen :

No, it isn't the final version, it's still an alpha. Why would patches keep on being released for S2 if it's a final...

Well, in that sense not many programs ever actually reach the 'final' phase of the software lifecycle. Even software that is in it's gold stage tends to get a patch every now and then to fix unseen bugs.

I'm not entirely sure why this software was dubbed as "alpha." Because in the strictest sense of the word as it applies to the software lifecycle it would at least be open beta from what I can tell.

hmm...

1. 1982 Cadillac Cimmaron - wasn't running when sold
2. 1982 Pontiac Grand Prix - wasn't running when sold
3. 1987 Pontiac Grand Am - spun bearing, junker
4. 1991 Geo Metro - barely running when sold
5. 1990 Mazda RX-7 - blown engine @ 180k miles
6. 1989 Mazda RX-7 convertible - running, decent condition, electrical issues when sold
7. 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX - wrecked at race track
8. 2002 Nissan Sentra Spec-V - sold in good condition, still running strong!
9. 1999 Hyundai Tiburon - still own, still running strong
10. 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi - currently own, perfect condition, fast car

Motorcycles...

1. 1990 Suzuki GS500 - great bike, ran great when sold, not wrecked
2. 1991 Yamaha FJ1200 - wrecked, f***ing left turning cars
3. 1999 Honda CBR600F4 - ran great when sold, dropped once by me
4. 2002 Honda RC51 - ran great when sold, amazing machine, dropped by and repaired by friend
5. 2002 Honda CBR1100XX Blackbird - wonderful bike, ran great when sold, never dropped

Last edited by Mykl, Fri 20 Apr 2007, 16:35.

Quote from Bladerunner :

Mrs B has known all along that I am a games freak, so LFS was no surprise to her.
What DID come as a shock was when our daughter (EmmyLou) decided that SHE was going to get hooked as well...

It came to a head a few weeks ago during a Friday night Team Session..Emmy and I were in our respective rooms, each on our own PC's, and having a whale of a time..(as you do!)

Out of the blue, Mrs B uttered those immortal words..."I've had enough of this..I haven't got one kid in the house, I've got two, and if that LFS doesn't go, then I will!!!"

My reply?

"Let us just finish this race and I'll get your suitcase down from the attic then!"


She responded with a slammed bedroom door and the dreaded 'silent treatment'! (married men will understand THAT part! )

hahaha... you handled that like a pro!

Quote from Burnzoire :

As much as I enjoy the high fidelity physics modelling, I do yearn for more tracks and I'm often jealous of rFactor EVEN THOUGH I'm well aware that the driving is naff in comparison.

Don't you think we could actually get real life tracks in LFS without straying from the fictional/abstract feel for the game? There are many racing sims/games out there that have both fictional and real tracks. Why can't LFS be the same? A real F1 GP track complete with its shorter variations would be awesome.

This might sound harsh, but IMO this game will always be more of a game and less of a simulator until I can actually practice driving on tracks that I may one day set rubber to. They'll never be able to perfectly simulate what it's like to drive a real car through a cheap wheel/pedal set on a home PC, but it's not so difficult to model a real race track and give me some time to get a feel for it before I actually go and drive it. Just my opinion.

God please leave pad knockback out of this game... I spent thousands of dollars to make my personal car more resistant to it by upgrading to stronger, more durable wheel bearings off a newer model year car. The last thing I want is to log on to a video game and have to deal with it.

Found the problem... in order to launch from LFSWorld you must first open LFS to tell it what level license it should expect a request for. I was attempting to join demo servers and S2 servers, but LFS was expecting an S1 request.

Problem solved. Thanks Moose!

I checked my game code, which is .5W, and to be sure I attempted to join a game server listing the same game code and the error is still present. Searching for more info...