Quote from tristancliffe :

You don't want damage? You don't want breakable glass? Do you not want rain either? What about visual tyre condition? What about engine blow ups, variable day/night cycles, waving/animated flags/marshalls?

What I want out of life, is quite limitless. I have a huge appetite. I am however, a realist, and would always prefer to see the driving worked out properly before we start simulating the distractions from driving.

I wouldn't drop LFS as a game, just because of the eye candy, but I would be forced out because my PC won't cope with it. The absurdity is to exclude a section of a committed player base, at a time when development of the basics is still in progress.

I know that all these things will be optional (before anyone raises that point again), so can I just refer you to my previous point if you do feel the need to respond that way...)

I'd also like to say that having a forced cockpit view, before the GTRs have even got proper cockpits is just cart before the horse again. I mean how long does it take to knock up a basic GTR cockpit mesh? A day or two? I think I'm being generous in that estimate....

Last edited by nihil, Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:26.

Quote from danowat :

oo-er , a Tristan and Nihil sandwich, the mind boggles

:lovies3d:

Actually, what I said was that chasing rainbows was absurd (though I agree its quite romantic... )

Quote from tristancliffe :

Whose to say the clutch isn't sorted already in Scawen's version. It's the sort of thing that he's been talking about recently (in the conversations about gear change types), and so it's the sort of thing that might be improved.

<sigh>

That seems to be the way with LFS.... I'm here because LFS provides high quality simulation driving with a low impact on my PC. Once the eye candy starts ruining that experience, I'll be gone. Breakable windows and flying gobbets of mud come into that category for me.

If you've sorted the clutch, Scawen... Then release it. Stop playing at being a graphic designer.

Quote from Woz :

While SOME here play LFS as they would any other game, more treat it as the SIM it is. This is why the hardcore sort of options are starting to come in. It means we can race knowing the only people that join the server are just as serious.

This is just sanctimonious bollocks.

Its precisely the reason I hate the idea of a 'hardcore' mode that includes dubious fripperies such as forced views. You are talking rubbish. While the notion of breakable windows etc has some slight merit, chasing rainbows like changeable weather conditions in a sim that still hasn't got its clutch sorted out is putting the cart so far in front of the horse its absurd.

Last edited by nihil, Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:38.

Quote from danowat :

One word........MotoGP..........

Rumours abound that the new Anglesey curcuit could host a MotoGP at some point in the future........

Yeah, I wasn't even thinking of F1, but being next to the sea I thought we might have our own Phillip Island!


Some onboard footage:
Formula ford
Ferrari guided tour
Trackday footage from an MK Sprint R

Last edited by nihil, Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:34.

Quote from Spils :

Im a bit pee'd off that in replays your locked 2 cockpit aswell thou

Didn't realise that.... That's just dumb and I presume an artefact of LFS being a work in progress?

Quote from Linsen :

Along with the "forced cockpit view" there should be "forced chase view", "forced wheels view", "forced heli cam", "forced TV cam" and "forced custom view".

ROFL.... Ah, sweet rationality....

Quote from obsolum :

I just don't see what the hell everybody's getting so friggin' uptight about.

I can't race online at the mo' so I don't really care... I also understand that its an option. But the 'join another server response' is irritating. I'm in this game for quality racing. My beef with the forced view has simply been that once 'cockpit view' becomes (somewhat irrationally) equated with 'proper' competition, then the decent servers that provide decent racing will ALL adopt it.

Peer pressure....

I don't have this problem with the forced disabling of braking help, or any other such aids. I do have a problem with any attempt to control what happens on my side of the screen.

Its no ones business how I deal with the information provided from the game. I'll say this again, realism is not a visual style, and forced cockpit views are just an attempt to control a style. It has no effect on the physics... Its just visual tinkering by people who have a false understanding of what realism and simulation really means.

Last edited by nihil, Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:57.

Quote from GeForz :

No.

Actually, yes.... Check the Aston layout here. I really enjoy this and although its not a purely onward and upward climb, it has a really good feel. Close to a lot of UK hillclimb and sprint events anyway.

Quote :

And LFS is more about circuite driving. (besides autocross layouts)

But that in no way implies that LFS should only be about circuits....

I'm not going to even bother rehearsing any arguments against the 'reality' of the cockpit view. It isn't any more real than any other view, but since the Dashboard Jihadis won't have it any other way, I have but one question: would a forced view allow us poor boys from the other side of the tracks to disable the naff cockpit meshes, so at least our frame rates aren't slashed to an unplayable level?

OK, OK its not a Racing video, but what the hell... It made me smile:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J4KdQQIzW4

Quote from sinkoman :

I'm a bit of a newb when it comes to racing, and I want to check out some of the older seasons of racing.

1. Get hold of a copy of GPL and immerse yourself in the details of the '67 F1 season....
   
2. Then install the '65, and '69 mods....
   
3. Say goodbye to whatever scraps of life you have left after LFS has taken its chunk....

http://www.isanski.worldonline.co.uk/frameset.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf6RNZ9PYFA

Last edited by nihil, Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:07. Reason : Added some crack...er, links...

Just noticed that Anglesey has been doing some rebuilding, turning itself into quite an interesting complex of layouts. Anyone know if they are serious about hosting an "International GP"?

Quote from Madman_CZ :

The problem I have with that study is that there are 6 billion humans, all who fart, breathe out CO2, about a quarter use cars, electricity and other resources which create pollution as an end result. The amount of pollution we humans create on a daily basis is far far worse than some cow farting.

Haven't read the article yet, just responding off the bat... the trouble I have with this debate is that people are always trying to find a specific root to the problem: its cows! its cars! its holidays in Benidorm!

If the effect is attributable to human activity, then, sorry to state the obvious, but the root is ... dah dah!... human activity. This includes intensive farming techniques, which must have massively increased the bovine population of the planet in recent years (I don't have exact figures to hand, but McDonalds has only been in existence since the fifties, and I seriously doubt that the number of cows being bred before that time was anything like enough to supply the subsequent explosion of the hamburger industry)

And humans are, quite frankly, the only animals that actually care about this "crisis". It is not so much a case of saving the planet, but of preserving a climate that is economically beneficial to human activity.

Now, does anyone see the inherent contradiction here? The cause is human activity, and we want to solve the problem in order to preserve said activity. Its a lot harder than just blaming one specific aspect of the social fabric we have thus far created. The changes required reach deep into the core of who and what we are; it implies a social and political transformation that goes way beyond the puerile notion of a carbon footprint.


EDIT: Duh... never repsond to old threads without reading them first I seem to be repeating myself

Last edited by nihil, Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:54.

Quote from CSU1 :

it should never be used

I agree!

Blue flag spamming is just ... well, really stupid. There's no polite way to put this; its just plain stupid.

When you press that key you've bound, how do you know that the person in front is going to read it? The message is thrown out into the general chat channel, which may or may not be blocked by the person in front of you anyway. So the second you press that key, everyone on the track looks up at the chat and thinks, "Is that directed at me? Wtf? I didn't see any blue flags? How the hell did he get that far ahead? etc etc..."

So its not only stupid, but extraordinarily self-centred. There are other people racing on the track too. STFU.

Quote from TiJay :

I played it online and I'm ashamed to say I can't get in the top 100 on the leaderboard.

Me either... but I'm thinking of taking them to the advertising standards people, since they say:

Quote :

The RBS Grand Prix Challenge challenges members of the public to set their fastest lap...

Yet the leaderboard adds all three laps together... without being able to see the invidual laps, how can anyone claim they have set the fastest lap?

Quote from FredrikB :

Block messages?

LOL

Yes, of course (and it amazes me how many people post about the blue flag spammers without ever just blocking those fools out....), but it would stop these daft in-race arguments if there was at least an option to reserve the chat channel for spectators only.

BTW my other sporadic campaign is:

FFS STOP APOLOGISING FOR EVERYTHING

I continue my sporadic campaign:

BAN ALL RACERS FROM CHATTING. END SPAM NONSENSE NOW.

Quote from The General Lee :

Correct...

LOL

Quote :

All entrants must be aged over 18 and hold a full driving licence

Presumably thats in order to be eligible for the prize, not in order to "power yourself around exciting chicanes and corners using the arrow keys on your PC".....

Quote from Bob Smith :

A shame about the crap footage on the incar video. Audio wasn't very clear either.

Disagree about the footage - I quite like the handheld feel - but its a shame about the audio only coming from one channel. Switch to mono output and you get a decent impression of the roar from the engine under load.

Interesting comment from the passenger too, about having to think about when to breathe....

Oooh look! It can go round corners too Seriously... it sounds awesome..

Some onboard footage:
http://tinyurl.com/244f6b

And some from the sidelines;
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EYX2NnlSFgA

Quote :

Suppose you are driving along Captains Flat Road on a beautiful spring morning at around 11 o’clock. There is not a cloud in the sky and you have the road to yourself - or do you? Suddenly, on the immediate horizon, there appears a strange dense dark cloud at about windscreen height. It seems to be set on a course directly opposing yours and before you have time to initiate any defensive manoeuvring - wham, it hits you with all the energy that might be expected from the firing of a bazooka at close range. The windscreen is suddenly coated with a black gluey mess and you are forced to stop because something undesirable has totally obscured your vision of the road. It could be that you have been luckless enough to learn about one of the consequences of the spring habits of bees.

http://www.bindaree.com.au/hints/hint7_swarms.htm

Prohibition merely creates crime, where there was no crime in the first place.

If sports cars were to be banned, what's the first thing I would think about? How to build a stealth car to play with after dark... No plates, no insurance, no tax.

... The last one would probably hurt the country most... but, hey, having a sizeable part of the population starting to think like a criminal wouldn't be a great way of investing in the future either.

Just an alert for anyone in the smoke today... On my way to work this morning and saw an ad for the "RBS Grand Prix Challenge". Hosted at Broadgate Arena today (Weds 4th), "using a full size Formula 1 driving simulator"

Don't know anything about opening times for this, and not having driven for two months (on account of having been homeless ...) I'm way off form. Besides, got bosses breathing down my neck today, so I doubt I'll even take an inquisitive look.

Anyone know anything about it? Anyone giving it a shot?

Quote from morcs :

Lol... yeah, wtf is that about...??!!