Quote from Gunn :

Yeah, the reality of expressway race events is really sinking in now mate.

At least all of da naws dawgs would have lotsa lawlz ricing along in der RB4 Supra replicaz way kewl & fully sick bro. Hey Scawn, wen j00 gunna add da traffix dawg? We Wanganing iz so broing wif no obstackulz dude. Wen joo gunna put da ramps on da Wangan trak an we need sum way tu chang da turbo boost, I bin playin dis trax fro 3 weeks solid and me iz broed out of my hed.

What we need is a few thousand more FnF kiddies cruising and drifting their way into LFS asking for spinners and body kits.

Yeah, frankly this is why I kicked off at Tweaker... Sorry, about that geezer, but I could see it coming: "stupid street" would descend to another set of obligatory ricer comments.

[yawn]

Scania has been a fairly consistent contributor to the Auto X layouts section... I don't know anything about his other posts or his attitude to racing or cars in general, but I reckon the thread deserves a little bit more than the not-in-my-backyard ricer bashing crap....

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down the pub

Quote from Tweaker :

I think the S2 tracks are his worst works to date, and S1 tracks still the only worthwhile tracks to race on.

Listen, whatever I call myself, at least I'm prepared to volunteer a reason when I criticise something. If you think they are the worst to date, don't you think it'd be a good idea to analyse why? And chance your arm at offering a solution.

Letting an artist get on with things is fine enough, but believe me, they don't produce anything of value unless you prod them every now and again... That is the function of criticism, to raise an artists eyes up, away from the work, so s/he can return to it refreshed.

Quote from Tweaker :

You're awfully misinterpreting this anyways. Have you ever seen this "Wangan" expressway?

Yeah, I've seen it - would be great for Auto X layouts...

Anyway, I don't see it as my place to tell other people what should or should not be in the game... This forum is full of 'snobs' (your word) who are constantly telling other people what they should desire. You want tracks (underline it again for me please.... put it in bold just so those of us who are really stupid can understand your perfectly refined taste...) - well great. Whatever....

My opinion is really about how the tracks are created. Sorry, I don't think the great god 'developer' is really hitting the nail on the head. I would like to see a little of reality infecting his perfect world. It would make for better TRACKS

Quote from Dajmin :

But if it was possible to just import and convert telemetry data, the process would be much faster and therefor tracks based on pieces of road from real places would be entirely possible and far more practical then hoping Eric has an infinite supply of good ideas

There was a track made for Racer by doing just that - a python script was used to import GPS data into blender, if I remember rightly. Was a great track to drive, though I think it needed a little smoothing, since the sample rate for the GPS data was a bit too low. Might search out a link to it later...

Quote from tristancliffe :

Or you could try this link. It's technically the same link, but dressed differently

As my mum used to say - you're so sharp you'll cut yourself one day... [wags her finger]

Quote from the_angry_angel :

Edit: I suppose you could do it via insim, if you wanted to make it emulate LFS. Which is ridiculous and would cost more processing power and time than using something like fraps.

Does he mean insim or just integrated into the sim...? Racer's integrated video capture was always a really handy aspect of that program.

Quote from Tweaker :

There are a lot of things wrong with it.

The biggest reason is that Eric could spend more time on making fictional tracks, than trying to model a stupid street? Yes I'd like more tracks in LFS (it's actually the one thing that LFS needs badly atm), but I certainly do NOT want a street course such as this. Shows the least bit of creativity IMO.

Do not agree with this in the least. Stupid street? [yawn] Sounds like knee jerk reactionism to me.... Anyway this has all been discussed before: the fictional nature of LFS tr ... of the problem with them.

Quote :

KTM launched the all new 1190 RC8 yesterday at the Milan Motorcycle show, making it the first Austrian made Superbike. They intend to field the aggressive looking machine in European Superstock with a view to stepping up to Superbike in the future.

http://www.crash.net/motorspor ... ld_superbike_paddock.html

Gotta say I love the look of this thing...

EDIT:

Changed link - realised I had linked to the 2004 prototype...

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Interesting thread - just a word of caution. The racing world (particularly the one you are aiming at) is as insanely egotistical, vain, and competitive as the catwalk. And the skills required to succeed are not that different either. You are not only going to be a driver, but you are going to have to develop skills of diplomacy that match Machiavelli. So, read The Prince Or perhaps Sun Tzu's "Art of War"... Both will offer vastly more useful information for your chosen career, than the correct visor colour.

In short, posting your ambitions on an open forum is not going to get you anywhere close to creating the allies and allegiances you are going to need.

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Quote from aoun :

Can anyone see whats wrong with this picture??

Yeah, the design agency handles both the Mormon account and the F1-live account. An over-worked picture editor just got a little mixed up...

Quote from xaotik :

bad ego, bad, down boy.

I've been doing zen meditation recently - bear with me on this, I'm not about to go hippy on your arse.... A friend introduced me to it after a discussion about pain relief techniques I learnt in hospital.

Zazen is fairly devoid of anything new agey, especially if you can find a dojo where people are more into the martial arts side of things. Just clearing your head for an hour in the company of others doing the same is a buzz all its own.

And... Well, I don't know if this can be taken as a generality, but... the women are just gorgeous...

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

But the military trainers cannot fail someone even if they don't meet the requirements.

Those damned health and safety rules again... no wait, perhaps its the minority quotas... that's right, not enough white conservatives waving guns in the name of insecurity... uh, doesn't sound right... Anyway, sorry for OT diversion. Please let's go back to laughing at the police:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/zzzCappy/Bobby.jpg

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

There are plenty of Police, but thanks to Government targets, Human Rights, and Health and Safety, they are always stuck doing paperwork.

Yeah, that or shooting electricians on the London Underground....

Quote from MAGGOT :

...what do you do?

Most of what's described in this thread is diversionary activity... All of it great advice if what you're facing is just a single bucket of shit, dumped in your path. Wade through it and hold your nose, whilst keeping an eye on the meadow of wild flowers ahead... Gotta say though, that once emotions start manifesting themselves, physically and uncontrollably, its time to get properly aquainted with the problem.

If its something that won't go away, you have to first find the source, go directly to it, confront it, and deal with it. List its effects, prioritise your responses, change your behaviour. Because even if there are others involved, its only you who can make the choices that will minimise or even erradicate that black cloud.

Honestly, writing it all down in this way, is the first and most efficient way of making big problems smaller. You don't have to do it on your own either... Since you're on a college campus there will certainly be some form of professional support. Use it. Having friends is great, essential, but having someone objective, who won't get upset when you rant at them, who won't be judgemental when you spew all that dark shit on their carpet (ok, I realise from your post that might not even be metaphorical... ), and who'll be able to direct you elsewhere if they can't handle it, might be a lifesaver.

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Quote from Woz :

For me the introduction of visible windscreen requires ALL driving view to be LOCKED inside the car. No more chase etc but allow custom.

Yeah, these arguments have been played out here before, and I can't be arsed to search and direct you to the appropriate responses, so...

This is specious logic. There is no reason why a 'dirt' algorithm or a 'breaking glass' algorithm can't be applied to whatever view is being used. There is no causal relationship between simulated events and the way in which they are observed that necessitates any kind of requirement you describe.

I just wish people would up and say "we like the single perspective fantasy and the testosterone boost to be had from a certain kind of role play", rather than inventing some daft irreducible, 'hardcore' justification for their views.

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Quote from Bob Smith :

As soon as I got home I shaved 2 seconds off my laptimes, it was lovelly and frustrating all at the same time.


And wind, don't forget wind!

Wind? Well, I'll take it on trust your improved times weren't due to the beer and the curry....

I know this will freak people out, so I'll probably have to pad the post out with lots of appeasing justifications, but.....

I had a quick go at TOCA with a DFP the other weekend (TVR on Oulton Park). Now bearing in mind that I have only ever once before driven with a force feedback wheel, the over-riding impression was that (here's the appeasing bit...) the car's handling came from never-never land (ok, that's over with, no "but LFS is a sim" type responses please....), but the feel from the track gave a fairly convincing impression of weight reacting with a surface.

My only experience of driving LFS with force feedback was a little disappointing (FXO GTR on Fern Bay, and XRG on South City). I could feel the tyres resistance as they turned against the road, but there was very little sense that the road was anything more than a unitary, conceptual surface. Even on South City, there were a few, individual, moments that signposted themselves as 'a bump', but still the road surface seemed to have nothing in the way of a granular, moment-by-moment, identity.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

....the carousel at Nordschleife. It should be a nice, smooth constant radius turn...

Let me add to the bewilderment at that statement... Actually, in RL, its a scary, white knuckle moment, that you survive with an equal measure of luck and speed-sapping fear...

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LOL... The only thing this thread is missing is a boozed up female, screeching "Leave it Gaz, it ain't worf it!"...

Forcing cockpit view was just adolescent bollocks, but this is a good idea. psychometalist's idea is interesting too - would really extend the notion of teamwork within LFS races.

Ah... Snetterton! Went to see the BSB this year and stood in exactly that spot as someone dumped their bike and a tankful of fuel at the exit to the chicane. Spectacular.

BTW... Guess everyone must have seen the following trailer at some point, but just a reminder - enjoy the controlled slide round a hairpin at about 38 seconds in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZkA_MAK3Fc

Quote from Mazz4200 :

The best advice is simply, go down the local bikeshop and try em on

Absolutely. And, you'll feel daft, but if you find one that seems to fit well, keep it on for a few minutes (browse the rest of the shop or something...), just to make sure there aren't any irritating pressure points.

Make sure it has an ECE 22-05 sticker on the back and, preferably, an ACU gold or silver sticker too.

Fact of life: the more you pay, the lighter, safer, and more comfortable it'll be.

Quote from Hankstar :

iD's an anime show with some CG bits. I prefer the live-action iD movie myself, there's some brilliant driving in it :up:

Was this the Andrew Lau/Alan Mak directed movie? My brother gave me the DVD and I was like "Uh... Thanks... But maybe I'm a bit old for that...". But I really enjoyed it; very classy B movie, with some quite dark characterisation and troubled relationships.

Never watched any of the anime, not really interested, so I don't know how much of that was in the original, but the film's running time certainly wasn't a wasted moment.

Quote from danowat :

The reason people say its elitist crap, is because it is, infact it's bordering on trolling, simply because you/he are saying that (most) LFS players that are non-RL drivers are crap, and that just simply ain't the case, it's pure testosterone fuelled willy waving, "I am a real racer and I am better than all you non-real life racers ner ner ner ner".

Lol

I kind of agree with that, but I can also see where Intrepid is coming from. I don't race online anymore, because I don't even have a telephone line, let alone broadband.... BUT, beforehand I was getting tired of joining servers only to find the atmosphere ruined by some adolescent who started a vote ban, because he felt he'd been 'crashed'.

LFS racing does tend towards lots of whingeing, apologising, and general big girls blousiness....

Besides, I can imagine that the social side of a regular, 'specialised' server could extend beyond the virtual.