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nihil
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Quote from rockclan :is this only cuz there is standing im a demo racer ?

Sorry, its been a very trying week for me and seeing your post in the list of threads was the first proper belly laugh I've had for a while. For that, I should thank you.... I can say nothing more than that.

So to be serious, it might be a useful suggestion for the open cockpit cars, GPL style, particularly when the damage model is refined more.
nihil
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Wow... Its only May and thread title of the year is well within your grasp....
nihil
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Quote from sinbad :Just respect the people that are already racing,

I don't really disagree. I just think that a lapped car is a lapped car. So long as both drivers act in a respectful way, then the number of laps done is irrelevant.
nihil
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Quote from sinbad :Why on earth should I play any part (however small) in a race which I never started? Basically I think it's rude and almost selfish to do so.

It would be rude and selfish to race someone overtaking, but its a fact of life on public servers that its a likely occurence that a driver will join mid-race. I've explained why I think that is justified.

If pick-up racing was structured differently (ie. that a qualifying session was mandatory), then I would agree with you. People could join during qualifying and then joining could perhaps be forbidden during a race. But this is not how the majority of public servers are run.

When races start every ten minutes, it is selfish (and short sighted) not to expect someone to join at any time.


EDIT: To be honest, I think this is largely a problem that could be sorted out by server owners bothering to use the "no mid-race join" option. While it is possible to join mid-race, every driver has the right to be on the track, no matter when they started. The race leaders have to be prepared to deal with the consequences of a decision made by the server owners.
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nihil
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Quote from Bawbag :but if they are 2 or 3 laps behind I think it's pretty stupid holding up the leader when your race is done.

Not really sure how you meant this comment to be understood... It would be stupid to deliberately hold up the leader if just one lap behind, but when racing on a public server, even if you're three or four laps behind you have every right to be on the track and the leaders just have to deal with that fact.

Its a reality of LFS pick-up racing that you have to join the race at some point and I would prefer that people join mid-race to make sure they're warmed up and that the setup is appropriate, rather than wiping everyone out on the launch from the grid or, having joined at the rear of the grid, going into T1 too fast.

Its public racing. There will be a spread of talent. That's the nature of the game, so get on with it.
nihil
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"They'll all stop laughing after dusk, when these night-vision goggles will really start to pay dividends...."
nihil
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This is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjhV3xzkmzo

Again from '71. and Gerry's in it again, but its from Blue Peter (UK kids TV programme). Can you even imagine something like this being broadcast today: 9mpg; ton up just for the hell of it; John Noakes laughing like a demented hyena as he gasses it round Lydden.... ??!!
nihil
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Westhill reverse certainly has a misaligned timing line: enter single player, set the lap counter to practice, and choose any car you like. The first lap you do will not be timed, because the timeline seems to be a fair bit behind the start position.

EDIT: in a race however, the timing starts correctly for the first lap, but the end of the lap is, as stated, a couple of car lengths behind the chequered stripe.


But I see that this error, has been unfixed since 2005... http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 87&highlight=westhill
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nihil
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Dick's design for an automatic roof stowaway system plainly had some flaws...
nihil
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Quote from Becky Rose :Holy cow, that's so true! Since buying LFS I havn't been outside and done any exercise once!

LOL

Put tennis balls under your pedals; the pressure required to accelerate and brake then at least results in beautifully toned ankles!
nihil
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Quote from Hankstar :The diggsters themselves have responded: http://blog.digg.com/

Probably the only thing they could do in the end.

That really made my day! I have hardly ever used Digg, and know nothing about its organisation, about how its run etc. But for someone to actually declare that they are prepared to sacrifice the orderly running of something that has obviously taken a lot of time, a lot of work... well, its put a dent in my growing carapace of cynicism.

Please don't tell me there's an ulterior motive...
nihil
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I've always been amused by the fact that the software industry spends so much time trying to develop ways to artificially limit the inherently reproduceable nature of its product. This usually results in bloated, pain in the arse software.

LFS seems to have taken a much more reasonable course, in that it has encouraged the growth of a loyal fanbase, so that policing the software is largely part of the economy of its use. Don't allow that to result in bloated, pain in the arse users.
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nihil
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Quote from Damo74 :

I have never noticed stutter upon connections during races or whatever.......

Its probably related to processor speed.... My CPU is right down at the bottom end of what can run LFS, and I get that pit lane stutter so badly, its a 50/50 chance I'll crash unless I'm on a straight.
nihil
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Quote from Sticky-Micky :the problem is, conedodgers have been hosting a few other gtr tracks/combos and nobody ever uses them

Yeah, was just looking at the servers and CD are pretty much the only server offering an MRT race. 4 servers: three empty and AS3 with 19 people logged on!
nihil
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Quote from Sticky-Micky :you might have been on the conedodgers servers, but that is not a representation of the league racing when in the higher leagues IMHO


which was my point, the top drivers are fast, AND clean when passing.

Yeah, I think if someone can race fast, close, and clean, there are enough variables involved for it to be more than a programmed twitch.

OT: Was just looking at the Conedodgers league results... only a brief look, but I couldn't see any races on anything but AS3. I don't get it What is that all about?
nihil
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Quote from Sticky-Micky :

Legends|Lucky Luke = 1:40.000.
[CD] Snapp63 = 1:40.20
Legends|webber = 1:40.37
[CD] D.I.M.O. = 1:40.50
[CD] Subon VW = 1:40.59
sKunk = 1:40.61
[RF]BenjiMC = 1:40.75
[CD] Droemel = 1:40.91
[CD] Paublo = 1:40.93
[CD] Speedy72 = 1:41.08
Klingis = 1:41.27
[CD] K-Kermit = 1:41.31
[CD] Birder = 1:41.70
[CD] Phil R = 1:41.75
[CD]StickyMicky = 1:41.81
[CD] AProst = 1:41.82
[CD] Celmo = 1:42.64

Oh, that's a nice spread of times... I can almost visualise the race... Sorry, didn't mean to slag off Conedodgers as such; the few occasions I have been there, I've had good, clean racing indeed. I won't even pretend to understand why that combo is so doggedly pursued though
nihil
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Its a shame to let this topic become another blue flag debate. That one is pretty much resolved: the blue flag rule is very easy to understand, so attempting to race an overtaking car when you're a lap down, or conversely, spamming "blue flag" and expecting clear passage are all the actions of a moron. End of story.

I find the original topic much more engaging.... Hotlapping is a discipline all its own. The speed skating of motorsports?? OK, I won't go there... But perhaps the activity of finding the line, adjusting the setup, adjusting the line, just concentrating really carefully on the minutiae makes it the "soul surfing" of motorsports...

Perhaps thats too Romantic though... In real life, there are an infinite number of influences that mean you never really do the same lap twice, a fact that makes consistency even more amazing. A simulation is programmed with a finite number of details, so quite conceivably a hotlapper is programming him/herself to twitch at the appropriate moment on every lap.

I'm with whoever said it above; if someone can get up to speed in any combo, I'm impressed. If someone is doing 1:40.XX on AS3/GTR every night of the week, every week, I'm in "whatever" mode...
nihil
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Quote from Albieg :Hence, I stay out, since you like attributing me characteristics I can't recognise while changing (to my eyes) the original denotational notion of Nation, resorting only to connotation. This is far from being a correct use of the term.

Since you prefer to judge what is and isn't correct without actually bothering to explain either the 'correct' denotation of the word, nor its primacy over the connotation, its perhaps best to leave it.

EDIT: I'm not even sure, now i reread it, how you came to the conclusion that I am "resorting" to connotation... I thought I was clear... however you define nation (figuratively or literally), there has to be an associated economy, whether its cultural or otherwise...
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nihil
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Quote from Albieg :Again, you're mistaking a philosophical concept with an administrative one. A nation must not necessarily have political or economic meanings, and this is by definition. Look at the Ambiguity in usage section in Wikipedia at the voice Nation.

I'm not mistaking anything... I am questioning your idealistic and somewhat sentimental notion of a 'nation' (I repeat, of any kind... ) that is devoid of an economy, that is devoid of politics. It just seems puritanical and abstract to me... Far too ascetic... Even the loosest grouping of cultural interests (the Rainbow Nation, for instance) operates with its own cultural currency, is constituted by symbolic exchanges.

Pasolini certainly had a broad vision and departed from his Gramscian comrades in many ways, but I doubt he ever would have wanted the cultural content of both his films and his literature to be divorced from the politics that are inherent to daily life.

Quote :unfortunately using in such a context is far from being correct as it's closer to the derived derogatory term than to its original meaning

Its precisely the derogatory meaning that makes it seem appropriate. OK, Pasolini may never have used it, and I apologise for missing out on any subtleties. My use of it was simply to indicate that Pasolini was interested in that part of a putative nation that generally takes abuse, when it isn't more simply just forgotten.

(was just looking up the reason Ragazzi di Vita saw Pasolini in so much trouble with the law... Realise that 'borgate' would have been more correct?)
nihil
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Quote from Albieg :
Besides that, I would argue once again that the concept of Nation is very different from what we generally think, and this confusion is partly due to political manipulation that generates a wrong idea of a concept.

Would be interested to hear more about what kind of political manipulation. I can't see any value in breaking an idea of 'nation' away from ANY of its political, cultural, and economic connotations. Its not as if a nation (however you define it) can be said NOT to have a political or economic interest.

I can't remember who I got the word cafoni from, but I remember liking it. My understanding is that it is something of a perjorative, meaning unmannered or suchlike. It just seemed appropriate in this case, particularly since it seems to be one of those words that became an insult, a way of one people differentiating itself from another. A bit like 'chav'...
nihil
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Quote from JJ72 :you can change the skins in one go in the garage.

well, the function to change a whole set of skin in one touch is asking for too much isn't it? I am sure it's not something of popular demand?

I don't think its asking too much, to suggest that more clarity in the interface would improve the software.
nihil
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Quote from JJ72 :nah, you can make a skin preset with the same name as the AI. Then when you add the AI, the AI will automatically wear the skin.

... but you still have to dodge in and out of the garage if you want to change the scheme... I think this was the reviewers point.

If I have all my F1 AIs in contemporary F1 colours, and I want to change that to a different seasons colours, there's no global way of doing it (again, to my knowledge..)
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nihil
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Quote from Gunn :multiple setups for AI is possible (haven't tried that in a while though).

Yes, multiple setups and multiple skins is possible, but here's how I have to do it:
  • click options
  • click misc
  • make sure ai use player setup is highlighted
  • make sure ai use player colours is highlighted
This part, at least, only has to be done once....

Then:
  • choose my car, setup, and colours
  • leave garage
  • add ai car
  • enter garage
  • choose my car, setup, and colours
  • leave garage
  • add ai car
  • enter garage
etc until I have my desired grid...

Actually, I lied... I don't do this... ever... its a ****ing pain in the arse. I'm quite prepared to admit I'm wrong, and there's an easier way. Please, tell me I'm wrong, but until then I'll feel quite justified in calling this "cludgey".
nihil
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Quote from Albieg :I can't see anything contrasting to what I've said in what you say, nihil. I just happen to recognise that the familiar and cultural climate surrounding me, including everything related to the places I've lived in, has had a huge impact on my formation.

No, I wouldn't have you down as a nationalist... I cannot deny my roots either. But I don't see any need (and I don't have any desire) to resolve such feelings into 'nationalism'.

Interesting you mention Pasolini. I think his interest in the cafoni, and I guess really his association with neorealism, is somewhat different to a nationalist passion. His passion is for those elements of a culture that he sees as stoically pre-bourgeois. Its a quite explicitly political vision.
nihil
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Quote from andy29 :Actually that's true isn't it. It IS an alpha. Maybe people should be made to mention that every time they say something negative

Being an Alpha makes it all the more necessary to understand why people might criticise aspects of LFS....

@Gunn... Yes, skins and sets can be used with AI, but I think the criticism is that its a really cludgey process.
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