Heh. Does anyone else get a chuckle now that he's online at StuntRacing SRV2?
Shouldn't take very long at all. If you havn't recieved your stuff in a few hours, I would advise that you send an email to one of the devs. Or perhaps they will contact you first. They read these boards every day and often post in threads. Welcom to the Anti-Microsoft
.Wireless is the future. It may be shitty now with not very good coverage (for those with city wide coverage), but you can bet that once it gets rolled out in a national campaign, it will quickly improve. In five years we're all going to be laughing at how backwards we were back in the days of hard wires. Not only will raw speed be better, but latency will be improved also.
Slower cars allow more time to think about strategy also. When you are in a train in the GTR cars, sometimes everything moves too fast for you to make the split second decision about going inside or out side on someone. This can lead to catastroffic errors and bent cars. In the slower cars, you have a little bit more time to decide correctly.
The reverse can be said too. A guy who is very quick wont win many races if he spins off the track once in every five laps.
I did it this way. Lets take AS NAT using the GTR cars as an example; Lets say that a normal lap for me is a 1:44.90, a really good lap is 1:44.60 and a poor lap is a 1:45.30. Lets just say I run a 44.90 lap 60% of the time, run a 44.60 lap 10% of the time and run a 45.30 lap 30% of the time. I figure that averages out to a 1:45.0x lap. Compared to the guys I race against, I think that's only average. In figuring out these laps, I throw out things like being punted off the track and bad mistakes on my part that would throw me off the track. I'm purely looking at how fast my line is on an unmolested lap. I figure the consistancy score can take care of my bad mistakes.
Yeah, but the three most important things that you can control are those. It sucks when some newbie pits out right in front of you then proceeds to block your attemted pass down the back straight, but there's little one can do about it. Think of this excersize as one in which you and ten guys you feel comfortable racing with are on a closed server. Guys you know aren't going to do something stupid, like drafting you down the back straight on BL1, then ten feet before you get to the brake zone, they swerve over in front of you, leaving only inches between your front bumper and thier back bumper, and then throw the anchor out, causing you to tap their rear end which causes you to go a little out of control, then you lose four seconds on the pack of five cars you've been racing with for three laps in a five lap race. All that of course means that you don't finish in a respectable position and the replay isn't as good as it could have been and then after you lightly chastise the guy for doing it, he backtalks you like it's your fault he decided to do something stupid.
You know Rumiko, it's been over a year and I'm still a little bitter. Can you tell?
Since others are giving explenations as to why they rated themselves the way they do (which is an excelent addition to the topic), allow to do the same.
I think I run an above abverage line most of the time. However, I run far more poor lines than I do really good lines. Therefor, my lines are generaly average. Constancy is one of my strong points I feel. In 100 races, I only have slef inflicted offs that cause more than two or three seconds time maybe handfull of times out of 500 laps. When I mess up, it's hardly ever worth noticing, almost always costs me far less than a second. Racecraft. I sometimes have a hard time getting around guys I havn't raced a bunch with, or guys who have simmilar lap times to me. Sometimes I'm not aggressive enough on the pass. I feel that I defend my position almost perfectly though.
I think I run an above abverage line most of the time. However, I run far more poor lines than I do really good lines. Therefor, my lines are generaly average. Constancy is one of my strong points I feel. In 100 races, I only have slef inflicted offs that cause more than two or three seconds time maybe handfull of times out of 500 laps. When I mess up, it's hardly ever worth noticing, almost always costs me far less than a second. Racecraft. I sometimes have a hard time getting around guys I havn't raced a bunch with, or guys who have simmilar lap times to me. Sometimes I'm not aggressive enough on the pass. I feel that I defend my position almost perfectly though.
Rate Your Driving.
I was looking at another thread and got to thinking about what makes good racers. Here's my take:
Three things need to be mastered in order to win all of the races you participate in. Sadly, only a very few drivers are almost perfect in all three.
1) Line. This constitutes the area on the track your car needs to be to obtain a good time. Other factors include brake points and throttle up points. The perfect line will ultimately get you the best lap time possible, all else being equal.
2)Consitancy. It makes no difference if the race is five laps, or the race is 30 laps. Being consistant over the whole race will generaly net you a good finishing position. To acheive consitancy, two things must be obtained. Excelent car control and a somewhat stable setup.
3)Race craft. The ability to race in a group of cars and weed your way to the front of that group without causing any incidents. Good race craft is admired by all.
Now that you know the three things I consider equaly important to winning a race, please rate yourself on a scale of 1-10 (decimals can be used) in each of the catagories. Be honest. And in order to obtain some semblance of honesty, other racers are allowed to critique other's self rating, but only after they have given an honest rating of themselves. Also, don't critique someone who you've only raced against a few times.
My ratings:
Line: 5
Consitancy: 9
Racecraft: 8
Overall: 7.3
Three things need to be mastered in order to win all of the races you participate in. Sadly, only a very few drivers are almost perfect in all three.
1) Line. This constitutes the area on the track your car needs to be to obtain a good time. Other factors include brake points and throttle up points. The perfect line will ultimately get you the best lap time possible, all else being equal.
2)Consitancy. It makes no difference if the race is five laps, or the race is 30 laps. Being consistant over the whole race will generaly net you a good finishing position. To acheive consitancy, two things must be obtained. Excelent car control and a somewhat stable setup.
3)Race craft. The ability to race in a group of cars and weed your way to the front of that group without causing any incidents. Good race craft is admired by all.
Now that you know the three things I consider equaly important to winning a race, please rate yourself on a scale of 1-10 (decimals can be used) in each of the catagories. Be honest. And in order to obtain some semblance of honesty, other racers are allowed to critique other's self rating, but only after they have given an honest rating of themselves. Also, don't critique someone who you've only raced against a few times.
My ratings:
Line: 5
Consitancy: 9
Racecraft: 8
Overall: 7.3
There's a difference between the concepts of race craft, consitancy and line. The super fast hotlappers are very, very good at running the best possible line, but it doesn't help them when racing with other cars. That being said, it stands to reason that the majority of very fast hotlappers also have excelent consitancy just by the virtue of them having such good control over their cars, which in turn can help with race craft. Allas, a few of the very fast hotlappers do quite a bit of online racing as well, so they have three things going for them. They run a perfect line, have excelent control over their car, and can anticipate the crowd. This makes a few of these racers practically unbeatable.
There are many fast hotlappers who are only good at one or two of those things, which makes them very beatable.
Here's something different. FE green, five laps. I'm in an LX6 and the other three guys are in XF GTR. Great race that was back and forth up until the last lap. I feel bad for El_Bitcho. He was clearly faster than the rest of us, but just couldn't get by.
El_Bitcho
Hitman_MT
lambchop44
El_Bitcho
Hitman_MT
lambchop44
Are you sure about that?
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Sure, but the repeating theme here is that Americans are idiots and wastefull and only they would do something like this.
I especialy like the wastefull comments. Even after I suggested that the motor would be taken to a scrap yard and recyceled, which almost all motors in America do eventualy, I still got those wastefull comments.
That's right, because I wouldn't preface words like bored, wastefull and idiot with Austrian. I know there are bored, wastefull idiots in every country.
Yeah, this went downhill pretty fast.
Yes, you are correct and after this post I will no longer reply to it...no matter what is said.
You know what I like about that? You didn't throw some bad comment about Americans in there.
A machine's worth has everything to do with market value to me. If I can't make a few bucks off of it, and I can't use it, then what good is it doing me? That's my take.
I undertsand that the rotery is a unique engine, but it's not like they only made 200 of them. Those things are a dime a dozen over here. And nobody is wasting it. It's getting recycled.
That's what they do at scrap yards, which is where the vast majority of metal machines in America end up when they've outlived their usefullness. Be it a refrigerator, a car or an airplane. They get recycled.
Here's what I'm reading into all this. You tell me if I'm wrong. It's a culture clash. You guys on the other side of the pond cherish the 13b, or any other unique motor and would do everything in your power to restore one and keep it running. We in America don't need to, because we can get rebuilt units for 600 euros. And 600 euros isn't expensive at all. Yeah, the market place is different so replace that 13b with any common (to you) motor. Would you feel the same way? How much less would you care if it was a Rover engine, or and old 80s Saab motor? Something completely mundane and ordinary. That's what the 13b is over here.
I don't have an emotional attachment to my machines. I use my machines to do a job. If that machine can't do the job, I get another one. I don't fell sorry for it, I don't feel like I owe it anything for being so trustworthy in the past and I certainly don't think the machine cares whether I do or not. It's just a machine.
It's quite remarkable. That's part of the fun of doing something like this.
operator0,
Signing off.
You've summed up my whole argument. Thank you.
I keep reading the same basic argument here. It goes a little something like this:
"Americans are wastefull because they blow up worthless motors."
Raise your hand if you believe that no Finish guy has ever blown, or thought about blowing up a worthless motor for fun?
This should be interesting.
Yes. Finaly someone on the other side of the argument who seems smart enough to grasp some of the concepts I'm throwing out. You are correct sir. That is one of my arguments.
At least you prefaced it by telling us it's your opinion. I can respect that, although I disagree.
Uhh Houston, we have a problem. I'll tell you this, anyone who has an emotional attachment to a machine is way more messed up in the head than the two in the video. You need professional help.
Bravo. You have answered my question with a very well thought out reply. It even makes sense. Pay attention kids, this is how it's done.
I'll admit that it would be a better use of the motor, but you would need a freind who could actualy use the motor first.
Again, stop with the emotional stuff, you're making me cry.
I like you. You even pointed out that you perhaps take it to another level. Anyone who can admit their less than desirable qualities is A-OK in my book.
That post so far is the best one yet to represent the other side of the argument. A little dramatic, a lot of emotion, but at least he gives me a few answers.
And we've come full circle. I believe I've asked this question no less than three times on this very thread. Let me ask it once more.
If you had a worthless motor that was comming out of a car in a matter of hours, what would you do with it?
The fact that the motor is worth that kind of money in Finland does nothing to help these guys who live 4,000 miles away. It certainly doesn't increase the value of the motor in America. So forget all that, because it has no bearing on this situation.
I'm sure that Finland has access to motors that are worth nothing over there, but are worth quite a bit to Americans. If they had blown one of those motors up, you wouldn't bat an eye, but many Americans would be calling them stupid. The difference is that our argument would actualy be relavent, BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN AMERICA...not Finland. If we reverse the situation and put a couple of Fins in those American's spots you would hear no shock or calls of stupidity from me, because I understand how markets work. A worthless motor in Finland, is still worthless, No matter if the motor is worth $2400 to Americans or not. Now, if the motor is worth a few thousand more than that to Americans, then it starts to become a different ballgame. There is a threshold at which it becomes prudent to start looking for over seas buyers. But only after transportation costs and customs costs and time spent shipping it are all paid for and there's still a significant amount left. That's not the case here.
No, no. Sorry if the post was a little ambiguous. I certainly don't think this argument is worth physical threats. I would never do that. What I meant was that I would get a few of my Finish freinds to post in this thread and support my argument that one of the most worthwhile things you can do with a worthless motor that's comming out of the car is to blow it up for fun. Hope that clears it up.
Now back to our regularly schedualed argument.
I think that statement is stupid. Do you like my opinion?
It's funny how I was called a ricer earlier in the post when so far, the only evidence of anyone being a ricer is a guy on the other side of the argument. You go ahead and have mAd TiZzItE fun drifting.
What? You think the only thing that constitutes a worthwhile engine is it's apperent durability? You've got things all mixed up. Let me spell it out. You can buy a remanufactured (that means the motor is rebuilt) B13 for 625 Euros here in America. Let me repeat, a virtualy new B13 in America costs ~600 Euros. There is no market for that motor in America, especialy for one with a lot of miles on it. It makes no difference how durable it is, if no one wants it, it doesn't have any value. The turbo motors are a different story.
The cost for those guys to rebuild the motor would far exceed the worth of the finished product. In other words, they would lose money trying to rebuild it. Now, that's stupid.
Let me sum up:
Any motor is fun to blow up when you have nothing better to do with it. These two had nothing better to do with the motor. Again, if you disagree, then tell me what they could have done with it?
That's a point, but not the best one, by far.
The thing is, he acts like no Finish person would ever try to do something like that. Like, that's only an American thing. I mean, you've got to be kidding me. You know what? That's the biggest load of sacrimonious crap I think I've ever read on the web and if he'd of thought about it for a few seconds he would have realized it.
I emailed one of my Finish freinds. We'll see if he feels like wadding through the bullshit in here.
You know what? If you come back at me with more America bashing sanctimony about blowing up a moter on purpose, I'll just have to talk to a few Scandinavian freinds to see what they think about the whole issue. I can virtualy garuntee you that they see things my way. And yes, they live in Finland. So, instead of putting an anti-American spin on this, why don't you go ahead and tac away form that portion of the argument, because you simply don't have the firepower or, apperently, brain power to win.
How about that?
Finland has car guys too.
How about that?
Finland has car guys too.
So what else was he going to do with that "legendary" 13B? Take it to a taxidermist, have it stuffed and put in a 'lifelike' pose, then take up three cubic feet of his livingroom space displaying it to all who pass through his house? Just because it's legendary? Like, maybe it's the only ****ing 13b left on the face of the Earth? Is that it?
Let me repeat again. It's essentialy worthless. It doesn't matter what kind of motor it is. If it's worthless, then there is no monetary value and, by deffinition, no collectable value either. Might as well get some entertainment value out of it.
Have you taken my multiple choice quiz yet? If not, how bout doing so right now?
I mean, it's unreal that you are villifying Americans for popping a motor that's not only worthless but will provide more worth by going to go to a salvage yard to get turned into Bic razor blades. Your eletist sanctimony is stinking up this thread.
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I have no idea whether their engine was running properly or not. I was refering to the one I blew up for shits and giggles. My point is, even if it was a perfectly good running motor, which it sounds like in the video, it's still not of much value. No one wants a high milage, obsolete motor, even if it is running good. With that in mind, it's pretty ****ing cool to watch an internal combustion engine blow up in spectacular fashion. Yeah, it's not as fun as riding the badest roller coaster on the planet. But it sure beats the shit out of talking politics with your little sister.
That's all I'm saying.
I have the 8th biggest.
operator0, Fanning the flames.
No, that's what I did with one worthless engine that was comming out of the car in a matter of hours anyway.
Let's do this. I'll ask you what you would have done with the motor instead? This will be multiple choice to make it easier on you. Ready? Ok:
If you had an obsolete, low powered, high milage motor that you could sell for $200 and that was comming out of the car in a matter of hours, would you:
A. Pull the motor, stash it in the corner of your crowded garage, pay for local advertisements in the paper for six months until you eventualy find a local buyer who would actualy want a high milage, obsolete, poor running motor for $200.
B. Advertise it on the internet, sell it for $200 minus transportation costs to ship it 1000 miles, all the while spend a few hours packing it in a crate and then hoping that the high milage, obsolete, poor running motor doesn't blow up in a few weeks so that that the new owner doesn't feel like you ripped him off and try to recoupe the money through legal recourse and/or ruin your Ebay rating.
C. Spend hours salvaging parts off the motor that have seen better days while trying to find space in your crowded garage to store them for that as yet incomprehensable day when you may possibly need that obsolete, over used crank (or insert your favorite over used, obsolete part) to fix a motor that would be better dealt with by sending it to the scrap yard and replacing it with something newer and better, or at the very least buying a remanufactured (like new) part.
D. Take it down to the scrap yard and get $50 dollars for it.
E. Spend $2 in gas, $6 in beer, sit back and watch it blow up, then take it down to the scrap yard and collect your $50.
Answere me that, Ace.
One of those authors has posted in this thread. SchneeFee is the author of RunRiot. I'm assuming that Szwei is the author of the other, but I may be wrong. It's happened once before
.Heh, did anyone else notice that he's passivley aggresively calling me a ricer? Like, I don't build race cars or something. Or, I don't spend 14 weekends a year at the track acting as crew chief for a race team that up until the car got wrecked last month, was in the lead for the North American class championship. That's funny.
Who cares. Really, it's no big deal.
Until he passes my 8th all time victories rank
Both RunRiot and Szwie are very, very good. I would show them both, back to back.
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