Quote from ajp71 :

wtf is the point in sitting there waiting for your engine to blow up, I can think of plenty of things I'd rather do with an old motor than sit there and wait for it to blow up.

If you have to ask, then you'll never understand. It's a car guy thing.

The video is old. About two years old.

This is what I remember from the explenation I saw:

They had a newer updated moter, complete with turbo, that they were going to install. The motor you see in the vid is old with alot of miles on it. The cost to ship the motor compared to the cost of buying it makes it essentialy worthless. They could have made maybe $100 selling it. They figurerd that the fun of blowing it up was worth $100.

I would have done the same thing..oh wait...I have done the same thing. 2.7L BMW M20 motor with 250,000 miles on it. The car was getting an M50. Would have cost about $100 to ship the motor. I doubt I could have sold the motor for more than $200...if that. Blowing it up was lots of fun, easily worth the money lost.
I'm really surprised that some of you find this shocking. Isn't it worth $100 to do something fun like this?

Here's my observations. Back when S1 first came out, everyone was racing the TBO4 cars almost exclusively. Then the Christmas Developers Gift came out (about 6 months after the S1 release) with the release of the MRT. Nearly all the servers switched to the MRT. The MRT was then raced for six to nine months, almost exclusively. Then it switched back to the TBO cars for awhile. Then the GT/GTI cars and so on and so forth.

People will get tired of racing the open wheeled/GTR cars eventualy and you will see more servers switch to "other" cars. What we are seeing today is nothing new. As time passes you will see a better mix of populated servers if history is any indicator. Just be patient.

Quote from Gizz :

I wrote a book.

You have a replay of that? I'd love to see it.

Not only that, but in real life racing, track imperfections are often used by the drivers to guage turn in points, or brake points and so on. LFS doesn't have it, and that makes it hard to have very consistant times.

Quote from XCNuse :

well... if you raced there long ago you probably knew my dad since he was part owner and VP of the place .. but that was like early 90's

..now panoz turned the place into a dumb theme park

need to get togethere on MSN or AIM or something guys

No, started racing there in '02. Havn't done any Panoz stuff. I don't have any chat programs. I hate those things. You can email me though. operator0 at gmail dot com.

Quote from Infiniti :

Any Corn Huskers out there? Omaha, Nebraska think I've seen 1 or 2 before, it'd be interesting to know. Considering that with knowledge where the main crowd is for cs and bf2 is New York and Jersey, then California.

Nebraska sucks . Hey, I'm only 3.5 hours away from Hotlanta. We routinely race at Road Atlanta and I know a bunch of people from the Brazelton area.

I'm bumping this up so Dan G can DL the replay I link too in a previous post.

The Miata is the king of autocrosses. You can't get the kind of performance per dollar dodging the cones in any other car. ANY OTHER CAR! At least in the States.


I'm particularly proud of the race car my friend drives that I built.

1984 BMW 325
2.8L M50 putting out 260hp at the crank
989KG (2180 lbs)
We shoehorned 18x285 Goodyear slicks under the wheelwells.
E36 M3 front brakes E36 318ti rear brakes
Double adjustable shocks
Ride hight adjustable
Really, there's too much to list. Sufice it to say, the thing is a monster and there is only one car in our class that can consistantly beat us....if he doesn't break down . Our car is the most relaible car in our class and we are points leader as of this post.

It can do Virginia International Raceway in high 2:08
Road Atlanta comes in at 1:38



My old car wasn't a car. Yes, it has the 4.0l I6 in it. Clearly, it's not street leagal either.

Last edited by operator0, Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:13.

Quote from Hallen :

I would much prefer to watch a hard fought battle over several laps where both drivers never tough each other, but somehow, a pass is made. Sure, the leading driver will take a defensive line, but blocking is different.

Ask and you shall receive . http://www.lfsforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=681

Can't play the video. Why can't people pick standard codecs?

I had brought up a solution to the problem a while ago on RSC, but it got little discussion. I'll bring it up again.


We need a server admin board. A place where naming names is OK, as long as you have a replay. The server admins could browes through the replays, taking note of who to ban and then banning them from thier server for however long they felt necessary. If we had a network to police the servers, then all would be well.

Quote from XCNuse :

i havent yet either..

however; i did meet someone very very very bad on the oval last night.. and all im going to say is team Idi

(btw takumi; i love your avatar, great shot of the background!)

Does his LFS user name begin with an "n" and end with an "r" and have an underbar in it? If it does, you and I have probably met the same guy. The guy I met was on AS Nat in a GTR race. Durring the first lap of a five lap race, he set his car up so it was blocking the line going into the first chicane. He kept it there the whole race, occasionaly backing up or moving forward so he could make contact with the other cars. He didn't make contact with me as his skills and overall stratagy making ability are seriously lacking, but he got alot of other people. This server didn't allow vote banning or kicking. After the race, an admin miraculously appeared and when we started letting him know about the wrecker, the wrecker left. Didn't matter as I had my temp replays enabled and was able to send the replay via email to the admin, who promptly banned the guy for eternity form the server. I also was able to get the guy banned form three other servers based off that one replay. I still have it and if you'ld like to see it, let me know.

I later looked up the guy in LFS World and he races ALOT. Almost exclusively on oval servers, which I don't race. If I ever see the guy again though, I'll make sure he knows I'm the one who got him banned from four servers, and I'll make sure everyone else on the server knows about his wrecking ways.

Send it to me: operator0 at gmail dot com. I'll send you one back of another wrecker if you want. Didn't try to ban, but you should see the replay anyway. He races alot on oval servers, but is clearly an experienced wrecker. Perhaps the devs would like to take a look too?

Quote from mrodgers :

Who cares if you win?

Well, for starters, I do. That's why I play online competative games. To win. Now, if there's a guy running alot faster than me at a race, is it realistic to expect a win? No. Doesn't mean I wont drive my ass off to try and get the win anyway.

And, for all you smartasses out there who interpret that to mean that I'll drive with wreckless disregaurd to other drivers on the track, go away and finish your Dick and Jane books.

You should save that replay. When you see something like this, let the devs know about it. Send them a replay. I really think that if someone has clear proof, like a replay, we should be able to post it up in here so others can verify whether they have experienced the same thing from the same guy before. It's likely this isn't the first time this guy has done this. He should be dealt with.

And by dealt with, I mean account deleted and warnings broadcast out to all other players that the devs are cracking down. An example needs to be made of this guy.




EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE THEIR TEMP REPLAYS ENABLED!

Quote from Bob Smith :

Of course it makes a difference. Just how much of a difference?

On We National, it makes between .2 and .5 seconds difference for me. I know this, because I'm usualy racing BL1 CW or Aston CW tracks, so when I join a WE CCW track, I forget to change sides until I notice my times sucking. As soon as I change, I improve be about that much, depending on wheather I'm in the zone, or driving like shit that day .

I switch it up. Right hand steering for clockwise (CW) tracks and left hand steering for counter-clockwise (CCW) tracks. I'm absolutely positive it makes a difference.

SO long is very technical. Especialy with the different surface types. Doing it backwards is twice as hard. I think the hardest set of turns in LFS is SO long counter clockwise after the back straight. Where you go downhill, the slight right hand turn back up the hill, the unbalanced right hander while the rear end is light just as you reach the top of the hill, then very quickly finding enough traction to track back to the right to set yourself up for the slower left hander over the bumpy pavement. Damn! That's hard.

Quote from Hallen :

I think one of the points here is that it is very unlikely that you can drive and brake on the limit going into turn one unless you are in front. Especially for large grids, there is no way to know what your speed will be and where the correct brake point will be. Basically, it is infinitely variable. That is why you leave yourself a bit of extra room. Plus, the accordian affect will happen and the field will back up, it is unavoidable. This will further modify the braking point.

Totaly agree.

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Nothing is more annoying than having avoided ramming the guy in front of you who seemed to brake early, but really wasn't because he had to avoid the guy in front of him. Then, starting to make your turn into the apex, there is some bonzia driver diving in thinking to take advantage of the "opening". I have to move to the outside of the corner to insure I don't get wrecked because bonzia dude is carrying too much speed. The bonzia dude is all proud of himself for making a clean pass on turn one, when in actuallity his "skillful" driving is only in his head. The truth is, I was the one who avoided the accident that was going to be caused by bonzia dude by giving the room to allow him to get the car back under control. And all of this after I had to drive cautiously to avoid the inevitable accordian affect going into turn one. I have had this happen time and again. I usually gain the positions back a few laps later, but it is still annoying.

Ahh, but should the guy who is one car width inside of you, but still one car length behind you have to slow as you do because you may take your car further inside? Especialy if he knows he can get beside you before you make your move? I will routinely take advantage of someone slowing for an apperent wreck in front of them. I'll get further inside of them if the room is there and I would expect them to be aware enough to know I have made that move. If they leave the room and aren't making a move to block it, I'll take advantage...no matter the circumstances. Now, if I'm carrying too much speed to hold that inside line and happen to push out into them, then that's my bad. But I rarely do that sort of thing .

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True, it is not always your fault when you hit somebody in front of you. That does not change the fact that it is the following driver's responsibility to avoid hitting the car in front. You seem to be confusing fault with responsibility, they are two different things. Plus, the driver in front has the right to the corner. You can't dive in and block the apex if there is no reasonable chance of the driver in front seeing the move or being able to modify his line enough to avoid you. The car in front should not have to try and avoid you when you are making a passing manuever unless you are clearly along side the other car.

I'd like to back up a previous poster's thoughts regarding the fact that it's not always the fault of the guy who rear ends. If I'm comming down the back straight in a GTR race on BL1 and I'm catching a draft on the guy in front of me with the intentions of pulling to the right as soon as we get close to the brake point, and the dude slams on the brakes at 250ft (120 is normal brake point) then no, I'm not going to feel too bad about hitting the guy. I shouldn't have to do a "/w laps" command on every Joe Schmoe out there to find out who the newbie is that might be inclined to start braking at twice the normal brake point. It's simply not my responsibility. And in the case of the draft, I shouldn't be expected to be at fault for being too close to the guy unless I'm still breathing down his neck with 50 feet to go before the brake point. The fact that he's a newbie and might brake that early isn't my fault and as I've said before, I shouldn't be expected to know that. He should be expected to have watched a few races and done enough practice laps to not cause such problems.

I've also had a very experienced driver (who will remain nameless, but I have a replay to back me up, PM me if you want to see it) who was making a pass on me in the exact same situation as described above. Only, he managed to get by with 100 feet to go before the brake zone. What he did next is incomrehensable. He swerved back in front of me, almost hitting me in the process, and imediately threw the anchor out. This all happened in less than a second and I was not prepared for it. I ended up locking my brakes and slightly tapping his back, which made me go out of control, but did nothing to him. We had words afterwards, and he remains an ass for thinking that was an acceptable manuever. This was in S1 BTW, TBO cars on BL1.


So, it's not black and white.

I give mine out now. I figure I've had enough "private" time with it, so now I share. As a previous poster said, it's seriously irritating to have someone ask 20 times while I'm racing. I cannot type/use the mouse while I'm racing and so don't give sets out or argue with another racer while I'm racing. The best way to get me to block messages is for someone to start spamming about sets while a race is on. That person can expect to not see a set from me for the rest of the day...at least.


I also wont give sets out to anyone who pissed me off previously. I have a list of people I'm very pissed off at and a list of people I'm only mildly pissed off at. It's taped to my monitor with explenations as to what pissed me off...so I don't forget. I also keep replays of the person's idiocy to refresh my animosity. The people who really pissed me off will never recieve any kind of help from me...ever... and can expect a certain amount of dispariging comments every time I see them on a server. The people who I'm only mildly pissed of at can expect my help sometime in the future...usualy a couple of months later...when I've calmed down some. Yes, I'm an ****. I don't know if any of you do the same thing, but I suspect that at least a few do. This might be another reason why some people percieve a certain amount of selfishness.

That being said, if someone's been a clean racer or respectfull (following blue flag protocall religiously)..I give it to them without being asked and try to help them with thier lines/racecraft in between races.