The following topics are sorted by a chronological order, since there are at least two of them equal in importance.

1.: Protests

1.1: 02.05.09, Grand Prix of Westhill:

Quote from dekojester :

Chief Race Administrator Executive Decision:

Driver of Car #24 I.Perez (ivan.f) is being excluded for 90 days from NDR events for removing a competing driver from the start grid. This occurred prior to the start of the LFSCART Round 2 Sprint Race.

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One race later, 16.05.09, British Grand Prix in South City Town Course:

04 Rudy van Buren removes a competing driver from the grid.
...
No penalty, no warning, no protests, no reaction or consequences at all.

Admins how do u explain this? Satisfying explanation demanded.


1.2: 16.05.09, British Grand Prix in South City Town Course:

- Admin Hynninen: says something concerning the race.
- 04 Rudy van Buren: "Shut up while racing!"
- Admin Hynninen: "Did u even listen to what i said ?!"
- No penalty, no warning, no protests, no reaction or consequences at all.

Admins how do u explain this? Satisfying explanation demanded.


1.3: 2009 Kyoto 500:

1.3.1: 123 Ronald Kasemier is put on probation period for no reason / absolutely nothing. His behaviour throughout the sessions and the race is reproachless.

An apology from the admins for this unexcusable injustice is demanded. Of course the penalty must be canceled.


1.4: Quote from an NDR rulebook: "... the Race Director has the option to recall the Safety Car and restart the race
with not all cars caught up."

The driver, who, unlike the author of this ununderstandably idiotic idea and the race director beeing just as ununderstandably idiotic by supporting it, is not an idiot, has the right to inform both of them about the fact that they are unfair idiots.


so far the formal part.


2.: Critics and improvement suggestions (no order from here on)

2.1: referring to these 2 posts:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1198978#post1198978
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1198983#post1198983

Quote from lizardfolk :

... Personally I am still very very frustrated and like many here I want justice (my race lasted one straight and half of T1 for godsake!!!!). However, I took a step back decided to hold my tongue about this incident or any of other clockwork's incidents that saw all three of us get into someone else's mess. So...why am I bring this up? Very simple, this is gradually turning into a witch hunt. Although we're all not yelling "off with their heads" yet, I ask you (and the admins) to be cautious on reviewing these incidents. Many of these are really just racing incidents...

sure you can argue that you must be careful. But keep in mind, we're in a 30 car oval race with no spotters. This is the main thing, no spotters. Which means what we have left is just our senses and intuition. That's really quite insane when you think about it. I mean sure, you can diligently look, but unless you are racing in chase view the entire race there is really no way that you can be 100% sure of where everyone is around you. Unless of course we have a competent spotter...which we dont.

So what happens? This is a long race, after a while we start to use our intuition much more than actual looking, then from this we start assuming and it is the assuming that's what gets people wrecked. But tbh, what are we really suppose to do? No competent spotter and our only means of driving safetly is just looking around? This would probably cut it if it's 10-20 competitiors but we're looking at 30 cars and all of which are competently fast...We're all human who've been basically thrown in the dark with the pack scrunched up going 3 and sometimes 4 wide. Mistakes, I'm not excusing stupid mistakes or suicide runs, but honest and reasonable mistakes will be made. We're not psychics, and heck most of us aren't real racecar drivers and even the pros on oval make the same mistakes that some people made during the 500

I've gotten the feeling early on that racing incidents were being viewed as deliberate wrecking or incompetency in the practice sessions, and I've talked to Clockwork guys about this as well, but I'm breaking the silence now because things have gotten so heated recently. Angry that your race was unjustly cut short? Unfortunately, that's just the nature of oval racing. One mistake, nay one unlucky situation and you're out. Look at some of the NASCAR/IndyCar wrecks and you'll see similar if not identical wrecks in the 500 (as well as the finger pointing and frustration that follows).

Of course, some wrecks are inexcusable. I'm not saying that everyone was just involved in unavoidable racing incidents and no one's to blame for anything. But, again, all I'm saying is to just not blur the line between incompetency and hard racing gone wrong however fine that line may be.

Lizard

I agree on the first part (marked in blue). On the rest i totally disagree, since it sais that we cannot do anything about stupid behaviour. This is as wrong as it gets. It sais that at a certain point a limit is reached and nothing can be done about it. This cannot be it, can it? If you base on that then there will never be improvement. Instead one never must be satisfied and always develop further, become better. This can be done by improving the driving, improving the way of usage of the driving devices and by improving oneself, the way one behaves and interacts. All this can be done without spotters ... seriously ... how low can one's expectations be?


2.2 the ventrilo recording:

Something which actually should be as clear as it gets: FM-Team, it is not about the race director beeing allowed to record or not, it is his duty! He must do everything in favor of an as just as possible management.


2.3 the restrictions:

NDR I would like to ask u something:

- Do u like the dirt FIA, Max Mosley, ... ?
- Do u know that anyone liking them is a piece of dirt?
- Do u want to be among those pieces of dirt?

No? Why do u do the same as them then? This is the introduction for a discussion i would like to have with u. The point are the numberless restrictions u enforce. The arguments against restrictions couldn't be stronger. Just compare the sorry state motorsport is in now with the glorious time until the millenium.


2.4 the pits:

U guys already made a great decision by putting as harmless marks as possible on the track (the cones) which seperate the race area from the pit road and mark the point from where the leader may step down after yellow. Unfortunately even those cones are too dangerous and affect the racing too much. Lines, such as used in other context, would be much better and safer.


2.5: the good:

It always is the trappings which make something better or worse. The programme u guys did for the Kyoto 500 is something truly great. If u ask me there shoud be a special effort put in such trappings. The programme simply is an excellent enrichement to the whole. Just two little things: The grid on page 14 is designed strange. U should have made either only the first row or the first 3 rows big. Then the cars should either show in straight direction or be shown from the side and that going left, not right.


so far for now.


U find it is a lot of hard critics expressed all unmasked and at once? Well I've told u once and I'll tell u again: I only criticise what is important or at least matters to me. I dare dream of NDR becoming much more than it already is.

I'll keep adding things.

with the wish to soon hear about the next oval event

Ori

Last edited by Ori, Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:03.

Quote from TFalke55 :

... no it's not okey, I'm afraid... please take the png file out of the opening post (official logo.zip) The logo you used is the IndyCar logo and not the LFSCART logo...

Edited skin post.

I would like to join the championship if possible.

Thanks to the guys lettin me join the races on RAC and FOX. Truly appreciable.

Last edited by Ori, Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:08.

Team: Jochen Rindt Racing
Car #0: Ori Motorson

Here's my skin. Hope it's ok.

Edit:

Replaced the Indy-Logo by the LFS CART Logo.

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 5 Sep 2009 21:45.

Quote from TFalke55 :

Ori, you need to give a team name. You can have #0.

Team: Jochen Rindt Racing
Entered Cars: 1
Number: 0
Ori Motorson, Ori, Male, Germany (GER / DEU)

Last edited by Ori, Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:31.

Team: none
Entered Cars: 1
Number: 0, (if not possible, then 8) ... other numbers if 0 or 8 not possible: 88, 11, 25
Ori Motorson / Ori / Male / Germany (GER / DEU)

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:51.

Hope I can be there

Last edited by Ori, Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:36.

original post edited

should have been more precise:

- a series running only on oval (needn't be based on IRL or smth like that)
- preferably open wheelers (FO8 obviously is the best choice)
- of course you must advertise it! otherwise the whole thing is pointless
- the schedule would be like this:
25.05: "chicagoland"
19.08: "indianapolis"
28.10: "michigan"
...

- with the 400 and 500 you already have the attention of some of the best oval racers, which seems to be a good base from which the series would start

@ndr: sorry for maltreating this thread guys

Actually wanted to wait with this until end of CART season but now the attention is better:

How about a purely oval series?

I don't understad why there has been none until now - or have i missed anything?



Here a vague concept:

- A series running only on oval(s). It needn't be oriented on any rl-example.
- Car(s): preferably open wheelers (FO8 obviously is the best choice).
- Schedule: example:
- 12.03: "Chicagoland"
- 28.04: "Indianapolis"
- 21.05: "Michigan"
...

- if desired: the schedule could include "special events", such as tracks with artificial layouts ("tunnels", ...), shoot-outs (e.g.: king of the ring), ...



The idea for this i had during the practice sessions. Why wait for an oval event when you can have as much as u like?
During the sessions some of us (me, for instant) were complainting about drivers not beeing familiar with oval racing. A series like this would be the best way for noobs to become familiar with it. What i am meaning is in the sessions you couldn't learn that much becaise it was all so hectic, short and not a real race. As we all saw the 500 were relatively different from the sessions.

With NDR proving to be relatively capable of organising such events and the attention of a considerable number of oval racers (among them some guys who not only are talented, but also willing to help) you have a base for such a series.

Last edited by Ori, Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:02.

Quote from Kid222 :

I am sorry for this, especially to number 85, which was taken out by me, but the cause was my internet. My ping raised momentarily to heaven (over 1500) and i couldn't see anyone for a while. I had no bad intention in this and i tried to stay off the line and let everyone past me, but this happened.
I want to apologize, i was considering going to spectate, but it calmed down after a while.

lap(s): 125 - 130
car(s): 08, 51, 085, 80

First of all you were everything but off the line.

Second: if you have so big problems with your internet you not only are to stay outside, you even are to stop and see if either you can go on again or leave.

Third: after crashing 51 maska you already should have at least driven outside and that as safely as possible. instead you give 085 seal a crash. there you already should have been behaving properly and leaving the others alone but instead you give it another shot and crash me. all this you do although you were lucky enough to have the SC out and enough time to wait and see how you connection state develops.

Last edited by Ori, Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:54.

- sorry to 808 and 27 for shitty drafting in that phase
- sorry to 808 for lap 172
- sorry to 9 for lap 182

Last edited by Ori, Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:29.

Quote from Agarash :

Falke, does it mean he doesnt score team points for AW and if he doesnt, since when?

i left the team before the 400.

Quote from TFalke55 :

28. 80 Ori Avdimetaj - Asphalt Worriors. 2:27.99

im not in AW anymore: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1176131#post1176131

Sorry to 38 Noordhoek and 888 Myers for lap 81.

@Deko:

"That's just a bad move, that could have caught someone low out doing that suddenly. That could have been considered your fault if an incident had occured as a result of that." !!!Lord!!!

"Kinda, sorta, dodgy. But again, you do need to be line astern coming to a restart."

- Entering the pits i was very well aware that there is noone.

- Thanks for supporting him, Deko. In case you haven't realised yet: i am not doing this for the first time.

Other than that u reply only to him. At the end of the CART season i will post a sad truth on the neutrality of you guys.

@Jeff

"I have no issues with you personally."
- Facts telling the opposite, but if u say it then i believe u. I don't see any reasons why you should anyway.

"Gamepad, wheel, or mouse..."
- I just said that so that people don't wonder when they see my "pedals" fully pushed / lifted.

"I also have a huge racing background and I'm much, MUCH older than you think."
- Then behave respectively.

"You want to talk? Meet me on vent and we'll talk. You're not the only one i've gone through this with."
- Man do you have at least something like an idea of noble values?
I ask u in-game, you just give a link
I more than one time ask u what exatly do you mean - in both LFS and ventrilo: the only reply i get is: "i have no time"
I was in the same channel with u - several times: nothing
I stayed on and waited for you to reply in any form: in vain

I still wanted to talk to you personally / under 4 eyes but then u continue here. Well as u like it.

It fits to you that you had issues with people - no wonder.

So if you are a proper human then feel free to talk to me any time. Otherwise leave me alone. I neither have the time, nor the will for what u provoked and forced me to.

never giving up hope

Ori

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:26.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Complaint (not so much a protest).

complaint (because i want to shoot at him but unfortunately i have nothing concrete)

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Constantly trying to 'jump the gun" (leaving a gap between him and driver ahead)

1,2

what you mean is leaving a gap to the driver ahead before the start, going full throttle before green and when green is waved you are already approaching with much higher speed. At least be precise and don't have non-native speakers correct you.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

- lap 12

1,2

have a look at my pedals (actually buttons, since im driving with gamepad). compare them with the leader's pedals. i even lift after green was waved.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

- lap 14

1

the evidence i am desparately trying to harm him. he's just driving out of the pits but i'll give it a try.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

- lap 21

1,2

Jeff if you have never ever had a phase where you lost concentration then you have the full right to complaint. Otherwise refrain urself, stop whining and leave me alone, kid.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Not in proper formation (in-line):
-lap 46

2

At the point 55 Papenfuss steps down, i am filling at least 1/4 of 123 Kasemier's mirrors.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Improper pit enterance:
- lap 14

car was damaged and i wasn't sure if it would be stable enough in dangerous situations, so i quickly decided to pit rather than risking my and others' race. other than that i simply missed the right entering-point.


now to you:

First of all you are saying things about me that are not true. From all the offndings to me this is one of the worst, maybe the worst. I will not tolerate sorry beeings, that move on a character-level, to which i cannot force myself down to, do this to me. I am insistently asking the stewards to interfere.

Second: I drive races (in both rl and vr) since one and a half decades and have never had something like this. Kid you are complainting because I don't drive the way you want me to. Now obviously you are sociopathic (not capable of social interaction). If your financial state allows it u should consult a renowned doctor.



Now in general: Jeff it is a shame to see such a fast driver, member of such a renowned team, behave like this. Since the end of yesterday's session you have been shooting at me again and again without telling me what you were talking about. I asked you several times what you are exactly meaning, asked for an example, but you would just give vague replies or even say that you have no time. Well if i ran an attack on someone i would at least be fair enough to tell him why i'm doing it. But in miss of concrete facts u just keep doing what u did in this post, namely desperately trying to harm me in any way you can think of. One of the most shattering aspects is that you use your background of a more than dominant team to attack a lonewolf. Well i hope ur lucky son ...

Last edited by Ori, Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:36.

practice session: 18.
laps: 16 - 18, lap 21,
cars involved: 299 J. Jingras, 80 O. Avdimetaj (me)
description: 299 Gingras hits the throttle and passes me after he had an accident. Although he has a damaged car he goes full throttle and that while SC. He gives it a manouver which might have easily taken at least the two of ous out. Seeing he had psychic problems i safely got by. Then suddenly in t1 he gets on my side and crashes me. From here on he keeps doing this for whole two laps, which is something i can't find words for. If it wasn't for Deko's reaction, he would have done even worse. In his insanity or maybe even primitivity he crashed me numberless times, which really scares me because i don't know how many other strange beeings like him there are. In lap 21 he once again has a mal and crashes me from behind - all this, as said, under SC. So instead of repairing his car, which

1. he has to do, since the rules say so
2. he should do, since soon after restart he cant even controll it and crashes - fortunately he is alone then

he does what you can see in the replay. This evidences that he is not familiar with the rules and moreover, he does all this at a time when the stewards are more than busy.

Concluding I insist on him beeing excluded from any event. If comparable things happen again I will have to defend myself.

Ori

Last edited by Ori, Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:02.

in lap 4 there was something that needs to be cleared. 93 Shearer and 30 Puntola have an incident. 30 Puntola loses the car and several positions. 93 Shearer loses a position to me (80 Avdimetaj). Then he passes me.

How should 93 and 80 have behaved?


other than that: guys check Thilo and Jack trying to help karkar. its better than sheakespeare and goethe together. never seen tragedy and comedy in such a combo.

Last edited by Ori, Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:56.

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:nerd::monkey::bounce8:ants::geezer::tempted::revs::heyjoe67_:heyjoe67_

count me in

i'll be there - unless goblins destroy my graphic card again

Thanks for beein' cool and letting me participate. After work i had a lot to do and forgot or messed up the time. Hadn't raced since the 400 and was in for a compensation but had problems steering and timed out - first time since very very long time. Hope I didnt disturb or worse.