i has is there

Quote from Agarash :

A few?? All of them except hyntty as far as i've seen. I was really annoyed about that, because no penalties came up when the rule was broken so obviously The guys doing this gained positions easily to the prejudice of people who kept the rule. I suggest load AX layout with concrete barrier at the entrence before T3 every time the SC is out

aga, first think, then post. despite the fact that crashed cars take the normal entry (read rules) u should have noticed that the stewards have done one of their best decisions by putting as harmless as possible marks and "barirers".

i have done this mistake too thinking that under SC u may enter pits as u like as long as u dont pass the SC. thanks to Jeffy and the others we now have cleared this.

(didn't know where to post this)

Guys I have been thinking about this whole NDR CART and especially the 500 or better said the oval stuff and here's the result:

- I obviously had a wrong image of you guys. I was thinking NDR is a big group with a respective background and that u guys are just too slipshod.

- Numerous of my posts were critics. Well let me tell u this: I only critic on things that do matter to me.

- Since you guys obviously can use help I am offering it - or should I say Dear NDR-team, I hereby offer my help

Now i'm not a tech expert and lack knowledge that one could really use in this aspect but I think I can contribute in all other ways, no matter if hard or soft skills are required.

I'm really, seriously intersted in contributing so that this project can live on even if LFS never sees anything new.

Ori

I guess it's manners that I write here.

It was the 28th March 2009, a Saturday morning. I was working on my skin for LFS NDR CART. I had had no time for it and that day a pre-season-event, the Kyoto 150 was on. So I tried to make an as good as possible skin and post it in time. Suddenly I saw squares in all colours on my screen. I phoned the guy where i bought my pc and he told me I could bring it there but he'd not be able to check it that day anymore. So I went to my brother's pc, did there a skin (just put the required text on Falke's template) and joined the race there. On monday I got told that the graphic card had broken. He'd put in a substitute meanwhile. So I spent all the time trying to do the best of it, which was more than hard. nvidia for some reason doesn't seem to care much about customer support and so it took those idiots more than two months to do something.

On Friday before the 400 I phoned him for the tenthousandth time to ask about any response from those morons and he told me that finally there was good news. The next day, Saturday, I got it istalled and how sweet it was. But still i had problems with it running mad as soon as performance was asked. So I thought it was gonna be a Saturday just like the one a bit more than two months ago. I joined the NDR CART server and gave it a shitty qualifying lap so that I could see how it is to be in the area where we get our yellow-safety-car-annoying races from. After all this unbelievably bad luck there obviously was nothing to loose and that was my mood even long time after the number of laps had reached two digits.

The turning point came after I had done the obligatories. There I at least was hoping to make it to the finish - no matter if lapped, crashed or whatever. So the race went on and things were getting better. Yet all the time I was just waiting for a a crash since that day would need its peak. And i was not disappointed. Coming out of turn one soon after my pit I touched Barnsley. When I first saw him spin I thought it was just another lagging he was having that race but this time it was not. He had been crashed so bad that he was doing some amazing pirouettes. I halfhearted made the best of it and was still on the leading lap. Later my problems would catch me and i would get hot tyres, which was the reason for touching Teien and damaging the right side of the car. Until the 170 / 180 laps I still was not expecting anything else but another such crap. When 190 and 200 were over I first dared hoping of a top 5 result. Then in the last laps things were ok. Finally I crossed the line with the position number 1 and it felt good.

Last edited by Ori, Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:29.

Quote from CSF :

Or the SC driver which is asked 2 hours before if he can SC a session. I give up my own time to help out you guys and I get criticism off someone who can't be arsed to show up himself. If there is some kind of setup, then please send it to me. I have never been sent this setup. I give up my own time, having no affiliation with NDR apart from a friendship with Deko, stay up till 4-5am and get moaned at. Well next time you can have no SC for all I care, and you can get no session.

I will no longer be helping NDR with their events. Joe, you can sit up till 5am.

Mate this a case of a misunderstanding. How do u get to the conclusion that we were shooting at u? Please don't leave. I have been thinking about all this NDR CART and 500 stuff since a while and the result shall be posted as son as possible.

Quote from Test Driver :

Timecode: 1:23:18:04
Involved cars: 80, 6
Drivers 80 and 6 are overtaking cars under full-course-yellow, gaining advantage for the restart

I instantly apologised on ventrilo, said that i will correct my mistake and let the passed cars by. So I drove all the lap in a way that would not be dangeruous and still make it possible to let them by. Until t2 i was outside anyway hoping it would get fixed but it took a whole lap. However, within one lap i had done as said and corrected my mistake and let the cars by at the point i passed them. All this i did in a as safe as possible way of course.

Last edited by Ori, Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:06.

i do have wmp (windows media player, right?) lol. it says i need a codec. but i have all the cursed codecs there are. ill try this vlc-thingy

i cannot open it with any of divx, winamp or the stuff. the only one that plays at all is winamp but only sound. help.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

For DekoJester,

I've got an idea... When the yellow flag comes out, is it possible to have the SC continue to roll. I noticed it parks on the track in the middle of turn 1 and waits for the field to come up to the back of it, resulting in quite a few bumps and bruises.

When we come around, i noticed many people have to slow very quickly to prevent overtaking it. Afterall, we're moving at a reatively high speed (130mph) compared to a parked car. lol

Maybe having it keep rolling will prevent some of these issues.

just a though.

So glad u noticed and told this. I am shocked that the stewards seriously let a standing safety car on the track. But anyway ... my post in the protest section should be enough for now ...

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:32.

Dear NDR-Officials,

it is shattering to see that after numeruous practice sessions there has been almost no improvement. I will take 6 Teien and 73 O'Keefe as examples. The start of session 8 for instance. After numberless practices with the known starting conditions 6 Teien steps on the throttle and gives it a manouver like he was driving alone, although he has seen at least two drivers in the left just a second before. Now let's do some cause study: How can it be that after so many sessions someone does this? The logical explanation to this is that the driver must be mentally handycaped. This is not ment as an offence but in objective and medical terms. Lets move to the second example, 73 O'Keefe: Although beeing asked friendly, warned and shouted numberless times, he hasn't changed his behaviour. Moreover, he continues to warm tyres, brake and accelerate, jump out of the file, pass under yellow and crash people even under safety car.

Summing up one obviously has to ask: Why haven't the stewards done anything yet - especially minding the fact that there is a major event in less than 24 hours? I do doubt there is an excuse for this, since obviously none of you has even had a look on the replays, which is the least to be done by people claiming to be proper stewards. I hereby once again ask u to act.

yours sincerely and outrageously disappointed,

Ori

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 6 Jun 2009 14:03.

i shall be there

EDIT: didnt notice its EDT. thats too late 4 me.

Last edited by Ori, Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:50.

Mii 2

Guess it's about time i upload:

btw as u see i've left AW. wanted to post this in the CART section but its closed.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

experienced? who said I was experienced? lol

STONE COLD said so. And that's the bottom line .

Last edited by Ori, Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:15.

Quote from Skydiver173 :

Damn, I just found about this so it's too late to be a part of this huh? Damn, i wish I knew about this earlier... Have fun guys.

Guys can't we let the experienced 500 participants race?

Quote from J@tko :

..., and my my what amazing racing we had towards the end.

I saw 5-wide a couple of times, the people around Rudy and Jack were going 4-wide on S/F, sorting out a bit, 4-wide through T1, sorting, 4-wide through T2 - what a spectacle! Us admins [we have our own channel within a channel] were constantly going "ooohh! and nooo!! and WOW!" and this my friends, this is what the Kyoto 500 is about - keeping us lot on the edge of our seats with 4-wide 190mph racing, constantly changing positions with drafting and what-not.

that's the best love declaration to oval racing i have read in this forum

Quote from J@tko :

Gratz on being our 100th Sign-up

Lord! 100 cars at Kyoto... seems like we might need Talladega soon

hope i can be there

Quote from fermevc :

I`m writing this `cause at the end of practice race, I was called out for making an incident.
Off all the incidents prior to this one nobody said nothing. I have both real mirrors and center mirror turned ON, and didn`t see the car beside me until the contact was made.
There was so many cars arround and rushing from both inside and outside.
I have expected to see passing only from inside when the car behind catches the draft.
Tonight and in the first practice, nobody followed none of the rules that someone mentioned for OVAL racing.
I only whish that all off you "expert" racers would try to pass the knowledge of oval racing instead of bad mouthing "non expert" racers.

other post: Many others caused similar incidents, but nobody attack them or propose exclusion.

Quote from imaquad :

heres an idea of 3 car drafting.

1.: @fermevc: you won't see cars on your side in the mirror lol.
2.: fermevc's posts and his worries about beeing excluded, which show that he is one of the drivers who are seriously interested in progress and btw somehow make him sweet and imaquad's post brought me to an idea:


Appearently there are two options for the 500 policy (for the morons: i'm meaning the way of acting, not police):

1.: you can put in a severe filter which makes sure that only the pros of oval racing are participating

2.: you can be noob-friendly.


if second option is chosen then we should do something about making them familiar with oval racing. I suggest a thread dedicated to this topic. Until such a thread is opened, i will post the best advises i have here

- hold your line. in situations where you are unsure the best thing u can do is hold your line. if the other drivers do that too than the accident-potential is lowered considerably.
- (note!: i personally am not familiar with this! beeing afraid it might affect the health of lfs i have never tried out stuff like goodyear-tyres or other) tools / (unofficial) addons: as a beginner tools like pit spotter or other might be interesting for you. if u want to use them make sure u have checked all precautions and be as careful as u can. you will find them in the Unofficial Addons section. i recommend u to use the search function.
- reliability / consistency: you can call me "captain obvious" but concentration is to be mentioned. as u can see in the last year's 500 mistakes happen even to Failure and 510NED, which were the best drivers by far in the field.

So far for now. i'll keep posting useful tips

Ori

Last edited by Ori, Tue, 19 May 2009 22:43.

Quote from J@tko :

We do

The '500 is [loosely] "based" on the Indy 500 [logo match? :P] and so we started to base everything that happens [e.g quali system] on that. Where something is not feasible in a Sim-Racing context [e.g I believe they have week-long warm-up races or something like that], we change it or leave it out

Given the recent practice races we feel that we need to change some of the rules to make it no just a good race for the drivers, but also for us and anyone watching. Therefore we modify the rules periodically and/or when issues arise to make sure that this is the case

Glad to hear mate. I dare dream of what NDR started and is running to become one of THE events not only in LFS but in the whole sim world.

off topic: i laughed hard on your signature

sorry should have been more precise: i meant it in genral. i was not referring to this safety-car regulation. i meant we should make use of the freedom to form that we have and choose rationality over desperately trying to copy IRL.

Quote from Raven88 :

The leader does set the pace, but when your back in the back, you gotta watch who is in front of you. When you see the green flag on the screen then you can go.

yup. i just read the new rulebook dekojester posted and refreshed my knowledge.

Quote from dekojester :

The Indy Racing League does this perfectly fine.

a suggestion by your unworthy underling:

it is better to focus on rationality rather than on IRL, which, depending on different factors, has proper or shitty reglements.

Quote from h3adbang3r :

Practice Session Number: 3

Lap and Timecode: 9, 9:45.00

Cars involved: 80, 88, 29, 132, 73

Description of Incident: 80 jumped the gun just before the restart, smashed into the 88, causing a 5 car pileup. Definitely avoidable, and a very stupid move.

True. And glad u mention it. Entering the last turn one of the NDR-guys said in ventrilo something like "leader sets pace", so i thought I have to focus on the leader and not wait for the message "green flag". Anyone recorded the ventrilo?

Last edited by Ori, Tue, 19 May 2009 07:45.

I must excuse to the guy i hit while safety-car phase and all the others i might have crashed or threatened. I had some serious problems. Either i would find myself skipping or others do that. Problems solved. Shouldn't happen again.