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samjh
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Quote from BenjiMC :F1 has next to no computers in it now anyway. Not on the car anyways, only the gearbox really.

An F1 car is filled with computers. Even the steering wheel is a computer. Then you have the obvious: ECU, transmission, and telemetry.
samjh
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Quite shocking, IMHO. One would think such a prolific dancer would have a very strong cardio-vascular system.

As for his controversies, yes he was accused of getting naughty with some kids, but no he wasn't convicted. If he was guilty, boo on him. But if he was innocent, it's just another case of a famous person being witch-hunted for money. Innocent until proven guilty; let it rest.

I didn't really like a lot of his music, but he practically revolutionised his genre with creativity and style which has never since been successfully imitated. Say what you will, he is a legend.
samjh
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Quote from SamH :Here we go again...

Mosley rethinks future over FOTA claims
Formula 1's future has been thrown into turmoil once again, with FIA president Max Mosley saying he is now keeping his future options open because of what he has called 'deliberate attempts' by teams to mislead the media.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76529

So the teams haven't "behaved". :rolleyes:

Max kept to his promise for... 1 day?
samjh
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Max has said he won't run for president as long as "the teams behave". Now, just what does that mean? What is the criteria for not behaving?
samjh
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Quote from TFalke55 :Basically the Lausitzring layout is quiet good. You've got s/f-straight and the second oval straight as overtaking points in the Grand Prix configuration. (DTM drives a short course) Slipstream overtaking might be possible there, aswell as on the mid-long infield staight, where it might be possible if you better get out of the long righthander before... but that's theorie.

Slipstreaming would be a possibility on the oval portion, but the in-field straight is too short for that. Good chance for outbraking moves though.

Too track. Dodgy safety record, but those accidents couldn't be helped by track layout anyway.
samjh
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Quote from heson :I guess the correct name was Dead On Arrival (DOA)

:sadbanana

True that.
samjh
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Don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch. We've only heard Mosley's take. Wait until FOTA releases their statement.

Mosley has promised not to stand for re-election? I believe he has made that promise a few times before...
samjh
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I don't watch Top Gear very often, but why is there so much controversy over this?

I actually thought Schumi was the real (white) stig.

Wasn't it Fernando Alonso who said that the stig is definitely from F1? He seemed mighty impressed by the stig's driving ability.
samjh
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Quote from tinvek :could be a bit interesting getting back from the top to the start line to complete a lap

Someone once said (paraphrased): if we had balls, we'd race each other downhill!

I think it might have been Bobby Unser after Michelle Mouton won the hillclimb.
samjh
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One will never know for sure until it's tried. FOTA has a chance to challenge the FIA like no-one else had for many years.
samjh
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Well, IOM TT is more of a circular rally stage than a closed circuit. You might as well have picked Pikes Peak!
samjh
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Quote from deggis :But it's not a copyright at all.

It doesn't matter. Fact is, the FIA is only the world governing body by de facto. Its power exists only because motoring associations allow it to rule over them. As far as I'm aware, there are no statutory obligations for any motor-racing event to be organised by the FIA or under FIA's authorisation, other than the FIA's own statutes.

Of course, the practical reality is that the FIA may revoke licenses of drivers, etc. But there is really nothing to stop another organisation from naming themselves the world governing body, except resistance by existing national associations.

Therefore, FIA's regulation forbidding the use of the word, "world", in a series name is toothless if the series is governed by a body other than the FIA with claims of international governorship of motorsport. I dare say that if FOTA were to set up such a series, and create a governing body of its own, with international jurisdiction, the FIA will be hard pressed to fight it. National associations will want a stake in the new organisation, and the only sensible solution is for the FIA to set up a compromise arrangement with the new body. The FIA has no legal basis upon which to attack a series which includes the word, "world" in its name, nor does it have any ability to inhibit another organisation from running international motorsporting events.
samjh
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Sounds like they're trying to develop the place into a tourist area. Add some luxury hotels, a marina, etc., and they're well on their way.

I agree with Deggis about the Nordschleife: it has a unique character. I don't think any modern track can match it.
samjh
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Quote from deggis :You mean Keimola. Abandoned in 1978.

No, she means Ahvenisto.

The Finns are too busy rallying to worry about paved tracks.

Gotland Ring in Sweden is the most promising candidate for the Scandinavian region. See an rFactor lap.
samjh
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Quote from Intrepid :"...and doing no shpeed" Almost as bad as the Steve McLaren one hahahahahhdbshbgsdjkvfhgle jgwge ghwel;thki [

WTF? Have you been drinking?
samjh
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Quote from 5haz :You wait, if Vettel wins a few races on the trot now, everyone will be queueing up to shoot him down, for the crime of being successful, this attitude annoys me a lot.

You're a bit late. It started the beginning of this season.
samjh
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Vettel FTW. Mark does it again with 2nd! Great showing by Barrichello too, as well as his compatriot, Massa; finally Ferrari gets their strategy right!

Are we going to see an end to Brawn supremacy?
samjh
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Jean Todt?! Say no to drugs, guvnor.

Bernie, Flav, and Jean, are all cut from the same cloth as far as money and power is concerned.
samjh
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Quote from el pibe :correct me if im wrong but... isnt the air that comes from the exaust somewhat hotter than the ambiant air? therefore its less dense than the ambiant air so it would give them less downforce coming from the wing... right? if so, that must be why the Red Bulls have their exausts so far back....

Exhaust gases are much hotter than ambient air.

The volume of air coming from the exhaust would have negligible impact on downforce, due to the fact that at speeds when aero downforce is significant, the exhaust gases will already have passed under the rear wing. Even on the RB5, the exhaust ports are ahead of the rear wing structure, so they aren't that far back. In fact all current F1 cars have their exhausts exiting somewhere between their rear wing and rear tyres.

If you look at the photo, you can see that the exhaust gases are trapped in the low-pressure zone behind the high-pressure air from the rear wing. If the exhaust gases were passing over the rear wing, you might have a problem, but that is certainly not the case in the photo.

More important is the management of hot radiator air. The way it flows over the rear structure, wheels, and tyres, is pretty important, since radiator air is dispersed over a wider portion of the car body than exhaust gases, and greatly affects the temperature of the rear tyres, brakes, and efficiency of the rear diffuser.
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samjh
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Quote from evilpimp :New track record by Vettel? Or is the track record only taken from the race itself? The previous one was 1:18.739 - M Schumacher (2004)..

From the race. Schumacher set it on lap 14 of that year's race. In that event, Kimi Raikkonen took pole position with 1:18.233, so Vettel's Q2 time was faster.
samjh
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The FIA has declared that both Red Bulls, Brawns, and Trulli's Toyota have been stripped of their qualifying positions. Kazuki Nakajima inherits P1 for the race tomorrow.

Nice job by Red Bull. Now, we just need the weights to see whether their speed was genuine.
samjh
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Quote from DevilDare :GP1 as trsitan named (?) in another thread.

GP1 has been copyrighted by Bernie (he did that when GP2 came about).
samjh
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Quote from deggis :FIA did something like that when CART was thinking about expanding into Europe in the 90s?

If they did, CART still managed to get Brands Hatch, Lausitz, Rockingham, and Zolder (CCWS).

Brands Hatch and Rockingham are probably not very suitable for F1 type cars, but Lausitz and Zolder certainly are. There are plenty of other tracks which could host a FOTA race without encumbrance from F1.
samjh
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But is "international" a word with a similar meaning to "world"? One could argue that it is.

Quote from deggis :Nascar series and some other US only series excluded, any major or in this comparable international series not under ISC?

Champ Car World Series LLC.

Frankly, the regulation about "world" is rubbish. Although the FIA may act vindictively and prevent FOTA from setting up a series using that word, it won't be enforceable if the FIA were to take legal measures against it in court. You can't copyright or trademark a common word.
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samjh
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Quote from Mackie The Staggie :Tracks - AFAIK the FIA give accreditation to tracks to hold races, if this FOTA breakaway series goes ahead, could the FIA be vindictive enough to restrict some of the races a track can host (WTCC, GT class etc) if they have gone with the FOTA series? On the flip side could this mean that some of the prestige tracks (Silverstone, Monza etc) hesitate to sign up with the breakaway meaning that some of the lesser tracks are used (could be a ood thing, could be a bad thing)

The FIA might be able to do that, but it will be difficult. If the FIA doesn't have a technically good reason (ie. safety, facilities, etc.) for such a restriction, the track owners could appeal to the FIA International Court of Appeal, which - for various reasons - is effectively out of Mosley's control.
Quote from Mackie The Staggie :Sponsorship – Where does the money want to go. The prestige of sponsoring an F1 team will always be a pull, but will it be enough to keep some of them in F1...doubtful, but we will see a split.

Money tends to go where money is. If the FOTA breakaway series looks to attract more corporate attention (which it probably will), then sponsors will flock to it. In any case, sponsors are far more likely to want to be linked with prestigious automobile manufacturers than nameless come-and-go racing teams.
Quote from Mackie The Staggie :Coverage – If the FOTA can't get good coverage then it is doomed from the start. There is a danger of going to Sky as from the start the target audience is reduced, even more so if they go a pay-per-view route

Words from the rumour mill is that the BBC is willing to part with FIA's F1 if FOTA forms a breakaway series. As I said, money attracts money. Even if BBC doesn't walk away from F1, FOTA can still turn to providers like Eurosport, ITV, etc.
Quote from Mackie The Staggie :This is also going to be a chance for rival series to try and capitalise on F1's implosion. Will a reduced F1 or FOTA series be seen as the top of single seater racing despite both having key bit missing form both, or can a well marketed rival series (A1 GP anyone) play thier cards right and come in over the top and steal the pot.

IMHO, A1GP could never be compared to F1 or any top-tier racing series. Any series which is dependent on one-make spec cars is doomed to second-tier status on the global stage.

FOTA has everything going for them at the moment: money, driver prestige, technical reputation, fan support, and the marketing pull of some of the biggest automotive manufacturers in the world. The only obstacles to success for FOTA are the soon-to-come legal challenges from the FIA, and even those will be mere speed-bumps if the FOTA play smart.
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