Quote from MoonForce :

http://www.marcls-home.de/file ... nid=25&p13_fileid=105

thank you

Quote from deggis :

But LFS would still have the RAC '02/03. So it would be just stupid. Instead hope that the RAC gets a full '05 update.

I guess that'd be better, yeah.

Quote from Hyperactive :

However my concentration depends fully on how well I know the track. If I am not familiar with the track, I can't fully concentrate and picture the driving lines beforehand because I just can't be sure how should I go though the sections in front of me. It is just so easy to overshoot and lose lots of time.

How do you usually handle a first time at a new track though? I'm generally quite bad at that.

1) F1 Spirit, from Konami. We had this game on the MSX homecomputer. The game uses a top-down view. For its time (1987), I think it was quite advanced, with pretty detailed pit stops and various car setups.

2) Grand Prix 2, from Microprose - I loved that back in the day. GP3 and GP4 never quite got my enthusiasm like that. I did like putting mods on it too.

3) E-Racer Online, from Rage - First racer I played online. It's online component was just awesome. Too bad the publisher went bankrupt (Rage) and took the servers with them. With just single player, it's still nice, but it misses the best part. Not long after that game went offline, in search for a new online racing experience I discovered LFS....



Honerable mentions:
- Lotus III (the one with the RECS editor)... this game was a lot of fun, especially in 2-player mode. Smooth too (provided you had a good pc).
- Stunts, it's been mentioned often already - gotta love those physics

speaking of them not mentioning the RAC and MRT,

I hope LFS will get a small update to the RAC where the interior color can be changed, or at least a blue interior variant, so that it corresponds with the 2006 RaceAbout version....

concentration eh?

back when driving GP2, I could keep it up long, but I'd have these sudden moments where all of an instance I'd miss a corner for no apparant reason.

In online races, I often want to try extra good, and yeah, then the tension builds up, and surely it hasn't been just one time that made me make a stupid driving error.

normally, concentration in LFS seems to be just fine here. I sometimes start to "auto-pilot", I start to think of other things then and I just drive automatically (usually being slightly slower than normal if that happens), until I "wake up", that usually causes me to make a steering error immediately afterwards =P

and then there's the bad habit... doesn't have to do anything with concentration, but in a tense fight I sometimes forget the rules. Yeah, I know that's nothing to be proud of.

Quote from Honey :

this is my suggestion by priorities:

1) very good expensive wheel (dfp, whatever...)
2) cheap laser mouse + keyboard (i strongly suggest the Trust MI6200 laser mouse: is very cheap and very, very precise and robust)
3) good analog joystick
4) bad wheel (microsoft sidewinder, etc.)
5) keyboard
6) gamepads

so, yes try your wheel more, compare it to mouse to see if it is a good or bad wheel, use an easy car like xfg, fox, fxr...i'd suggest fox because it is rwd like most lfs cars, but it is the easiest one, if you feel it is too easy then try fo8 or fzr

I'd like to say that the pad I'm using is a thrustmaster dual power pad.... it has fairly large analog sticks (with more precision than most out there)... it's definately better than a keyboard, but again, even though I've set analog steer smooth to 70 (if I set it any higher the lag between steering and reaction on-screen is too large and the game becomes rather uncontrollable), it still seems I can do ridiculously fast steering corrections with a pad.

As for using a mouse in a racer... I really can't stand that.

By the way... at the time it was new, the Thrustmaster wheel I have (Formula T2) wasn't cheap at all... but, if anyone remembers it, how would it compare with cheap wheels nowadays?
(btw. there's one thing that's sucky about it and that's the weird little up/down shifter - I'd prefer shift buttons on the wheel, or ultimately, a manual shifter).

Last edited by Samor, Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:47.

Quote from joen :

Always go with a wheel if you have one.
Sure, a new wheel with FF would add a lot more to your experience and driving. But you could start with getting used to driving with this wheel and buy a new one later.
And the RA is just about the hardest car to drive, so that is probably not a good car to start with

yeah, the RA is really hard... with a gamepad I can correct steering errors but it feels like cheating...
I think I'll be taking the recommendations here and set up the old T2 again... that thing comes from the Grand Prix 2 era, though ...well, it seems to be pretty durable, at least.
That's a bit of the problem with getting a new wheel - I'd want a real good one, but my PC is already 3 years old.... I'd prefer to wait a while and do everything (pc upgrade, a good wheel, etc) at once. I could get a cheaper wheel, but my experience with cheaper brand wheels is generally bad.

I play LFS a lot with gamepad. This has to do with the fact pads are rather easy to set up and use, I don't have the keyboard or the wheel in the way, etc.

However, I've noticed this makes me perhaps rely too much on steering corrections - while a gamepad limits the precision you can steer with, it allows for really fast countering when you steer too sharp, up to the point where it could perhaps be considered unfair.

So, perhaps I should be trying my wheel again. While there's never 100% realism, it should add a bit to it, and LFS here is a simulation after all.

The wheel I have though, is rather ancient. It's a Formula T2 from Thrustmaster. Would it still be good to go with that, or is it so outdated that even a pad would be better? It´s missing force feedback ofcourse, but other than that - are current wheels a whole lot better overall, and should I go with a new one? ...or maybe, I should get used to this wheel again first before getting a newer one, if that´s needed (I tried the old wheel very briefly a while ago, and I made a lot of mistakes, allthough that was with the RaceAbout, perhaps not the easiest car in the game)?

I´m looking forward to some suggestions

BF1 seems relatively easy to drive compared to some other cars.... anyway, I like it