I agree there should be a pro league (one like IGTC) using GT2 somewhere in LFS, I just don't think MoE is the answer for that, but multiclass offers its own advantages & disadvantages, not many leagues use it either, plus we don't have the farce that ensues from having shitty NGT's on track, cos I don't see MoE using that ever..
Well, ofc, it's his opinion, and he's entitled to one, just not really a useful opinion if the only contribution is: "nothing wrong with old restrictions" or "still prefer old restrictions".
Also, I didn't see him testing the new restrictions or contributing at any point. :/
On the endurance front, I partly agree. However, to suggest pace is a small factor in endurance racing is ridiculous, simply keeping the car on the track isn't enough, and it's not what endurance racing is about, and that is not the way to learn IMO. Ofc, the league encourages clean, disciplined racing, but this is simply a build-up to the higher leagues on LFS. If anything, the pace should be the key factor a driver has, and doing endurance races like this can teach them the lessons of keeping the car on track, when to push, e.t.c.
Besides, just because KY3B doesn't suit the FXR doesn't mean it is useless information, that way, we could figure at least how much the FXR suffers out on the XRR/FZR proving grounds, however, I would like to see a test race at South City or Fern Bay or something, but that doesn't look like it will happen. FXR however must be a slower car (only very slightly, though) it's very easy to be substantially consistent with it, it's good in windy conditions, good in gravel traps, very easy to drive, and has the 4WD option, which makes it supreme in traction zones, and, as I said earlier, is very easy to go different ways in the setup with it to suit someone's driving style.
As long as it's losing 1-1.5s a lap at KY3B (which is what I predict it will do at it's limits, not to mention the fact that KY3 is a VERY long track) then it should be (with the new restrictions) the quickest car at South City and Fern Bay, as demonstrated by Gebauer and Gehammer last season respectively with the old restrictions. At tracks like this, the XRR simply cannot compete, the turbo lag costs the car substantially, and at Fern Bay at least, it's high centre of gravity means it's very vulnerable to flipping, or two-wheeling at least, plus, XRR reacts badly to damage, something which will be very common at South City, wall taps will not be uncommon.
So, that means that FZR will be it's only challenger at the tight, twisty tracks of South City and Fern Bay, but, due to the fact it's the only car of the three that doesn't have a turbo, it's power is the one that has suffered most with the new restrictions, which will make the car a fundamentally slightly slower package, whereas FXR managed to comfortably beat the FZR which had numerous fast drivers in last season.
Overall, if you think FXR is suffering too much, when the proposed new restrictions actually aim to IMPROVE itself and the XRR over the dominant FZR last season, then you're just asking too much IMO, FXR would destroy with 23%, and due to it's traits (as discussed above) then IT would be the dominant package, and that should not be the case.
No, not at all. I fully respect that this is an amateur league, that is the whole point with the credentials of the league. However, what I'm saying is that the balancing should be based on the cars at their limits, rather than left in the hands of drivers who didn't bother to practice, and who are perhaps not totally at ease with the GT2's to drive it on the limit. That way, we're able to understand the full potential of the cars with these restrictions, and isn't that a good thing? Otherwise, FXR would end up having an even WORSE restriction, as in the hands of a "less capable driver" (sorry for my poor choice of vocab) it will surely set better lap times than it would in an XRR or FZR? Drivers preferences tend to matter less the higher up the scale you go, and that is important in determining a neutral, fair and balanced selection.
That way, we can get down to business in the real thing, that truly matters, and have a great season of GTAL! Whether that is with the old or new restrictions, is something that is up to the admins to decide. Whatever the result, we must respect their decision, some people have actually tried to contribute data to balancing the cars fairly, and this is what will decide the end choice of the NDR admins.
Good luck getting an FXR to do 2:21 at possibly it's worst track on the calendar.. :S
That's the whole point, FXR WILL be around a second per lap slower than the other two at this track, the characteristics of this circuit completely do not suit the FXR, if you tried to match the FXR with the FZR & XRR at a track like this, every team would choose the car for its performance, and the fact that it's by far the easiest to drive, and the 4WD means you can go many different ways in the setup with it, whilst XRR/FZR are fairly limited.
Whilst this is an amateur league, you'll still try to pick the car that suits and/or is best for you and your team, that's normal.
Well, it's good that rockclan has apologised for what he did, but the levels of his "outrage" were totally unjustified and must go punished, based on what has happened in the past with other forum scenarios, it would be totally unfair and hypocritical for him not to be banned for a certain time, not only for the good of other people for his comment, but for himself, as there is more to life than publicising yourself on LFS Forum, this is meant as a game, to be fun, and competitive, and things just went too far, you can't just switch yourself off from using internet either, it takes a while to get back into the real world again, easier said than done that.
It's also not the first time his actions have come into question, especially regarding being 'drunk' on the forums, but whatever, the thread has indeed filled it's purpose, and egos have been publicised to the whole forum, yippie.
If FZR had a capable driver, it would've destroyed the XRR's laptimes, I'm sure of it. I was consistently running half a second a lap quicker than XRR, not only at start, when FZR had more fuel onboard, but also at the end, when XRR had better tyres. That really surprised me tbh, but, whether the set used for XRR wasn't efficient enough, or the restriction changes have done **** all to slow down FZR is yet to be known; AS4R will prove that I guess.
Just don't even bother, your information is useless to "us".
Anyway, you FXR guys, wait until you get to FE4, SO4R, and BL1, you'll soon realise the FXR strengths IMO.
Why does everyone use Schumacher as an example, and not Senna?
On a more serious note, thank you for some genuine content in your post supported by factual evidence, the only thing I have against is the nature of that evidence, and it's interpretation.
Firstly, there was a theory that Howie weaved on the straights from Dave, looking at the replay, this was not in relation to the incident, and actually slowed Howie down, not Dave, this "weaving" happened through the kink before the final hairpin, Howie basically moved from the inside of the track to the middle after the corner, which is normal after a kink, hugging the inside line would simply slow him down unnecessarily, and could leave Dave a cars length ahead at the braking point of the corner, crucially.
Secondly, the actual incident itself, I've made a screenshot here: http://i678.photobucket.com/al ... incident.jpg?t=1283705297 - Which shows the contact between the two drivers. As you can see, from screenshots 1, 2 and 3, Dave still has room on the outside, as they come up to the minor left kink, which the cars are already pointing at, and would negotiate. On screenshot 4, which shows a bit of lag, and both cars are hurled sideways due to this. Nevertheless, Dave comes out of the incident fine, and carries on. However, Dave misses his OWN braking point in a completely unrelated incident (which occurs preceding to the 200m board in reference to your replay). As they pass the 150m board, Dave is ahead, and ready to brake for the corner, but, misses his point by 30m, and runs wide because of this.
Back to the actual incident itself, and from your in-car screenshots, on the bottom right picture, you can see the frame has advanced 50m, firstly alongside the 200m, and then the 150m board, by which point (on the latter screenshot) Dave is already ahead, and off the grass at this point. OK, you can argue his tyres are dirty, but the fact is, the FZR has significantly higher brake pressures, and much shorter braking distances, he still had time to brake for the corner, but chose not to until passing the 100m board, which is demon-late braking, and that is the cause of the incident.
Maybe Dave was still recovering from the contact, maybe he lost focus, but the incidents are two separate ones, and I believe he had significant time to react during, and then post-incident. Howie possibly gave him a squeeze, but this is normal, and you can see from the point of contact (from my heli screenshot) that Dave still has some minor tarmac to the left of the track. The other argument is that Howie turned in to Dave as he was alongside, again, not true. There is no evidence to suggest Howie had ANY lock to the left BEFORE the lag crash occurred, he simply reacted to the contact, not as it is deceivingly suggested in your screenshot. Btw, sorry for my shit pictures, but you can still see the cars, so it's not important. :P I also lost a bit of patience with GIMP, so gave up after trying to make a shift+u camera.
Edit: Having read it again, I think my view isn't very informative :/ But in a nutshell: Howie left sufficient room before any incident occurred, the lag crash was the element that caused Dave to go on the grass, which didn't even affect him anyway, it was braking ~30m too late that caused that.
Well, drivers can do a lot of shit under the right amount of pressure, under certain circumstances, it's a very tough call.
It's the last lap, last corner, and it's a battle for the championship against one of the fastest drivers in IGTC, tbh, that is a very high pressure environment if ever there was one, in your first IGTC race of the season, discipline is key. Quite frankly, had Howie done that any different, and it would've possibly breached the rules. But as you came into the hairpin, Howie left just enough space to fit a fat FZR side-by-side on the entry. Maybe a slight bit of lag caused the cars to unrealistically bounce off each other, and cause you to miss your braking points Dave, but, quite frankly, I think Howie judged that perfectly, whereas many drivers would've just blocked any part of the track that became available, dirty Senna/Schumacher-style weaving that we've seen time and time again.
I hope the admins review this incident well, and see it from the prospective of both drivers, would be sad to see this championship decided by an illegal move, or an unfair penalty. But, quite frankly, a big congrats is in order to all teams who took part in this season, it has been very competitive as always, and totally unpredictable, only one team managed to win more than once, and they even missed the first two races! Technically, the top 4 were covered by just 5 points! Amazing, thanks guys for the great season, it has been a pleasure and a great experience for me, really my first full endurance season, yet, I'm so disappointed that meh were in a position to win twice, but it didn't happen, but, to finish first, first, you gotta finish. Still, SR winning the title more than made up for that, as our Turks would say, great stuff guys!
Yes I do actually, because having took part in one of your leagues, and saw your and your silly brothers attitude to other leagues, I know that you'll just cause mayhem if things don't go the right way for you, and people are really looking forward to this coming season.
The correct lap: 9
The cars (/teams) involved: #44 and #31
The lap/sector/time: last sector, final hairpin
And a short description from your point of view: #44 runs off track under SC, then re-passes #31 again under SC conditions.