Hi Solar,

When I first stumbled across you online (which I think was when I started with the OLFSL) I did notice your screen name and realised what it meant. I did not, however, realise the significance that this plays in your life. You clearly have reasearched and understand the things you are saying. I now feel a bit stupid as I am clearly nowhere near you on these counts. I appreciate that my ideas and thoughts on this are not based on anything other than that I hear from others and on the news and so can not be taken as anything like scientific. I don't normally join in on conversations like this, because I don't fully know what I am talking about. The main point I was making (which is entirely my own) is this:

Whatever we (the human race) do, it will have consequences. I don't know what these consequences are.

I personally do not like to give my opinion on anything unless I know the whole story, ie both sides, and understand them. This debate has too many unknown factors because of the above statement. I would love to make the planet last longer - but I do not (and will never) know for sure which option is the best, therefore I go along with the majority most of the time.

I appreciate your responce and find it very interesting. Some questions though:

1. Does the "electrolyse seawater" process comsume water?
2. If it does, is water not a finite resource to us, and if we use it all (as you say) we are dead anyway?
3. What are the catastrophic emmisions from house/building heating? How come I have not heard about this?
EDIT: sorry - just seen the answer to (3) from FienDi! Houses in the UK are generally not AirConditioned so we probably don't have this problem.

Good luck and speak to you soon.

Tim

ps at the moment there is a good chance I will see you in Event 6 as I am only a few places in front of you!

Last edited by t1ger, Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:27.

Quote from russraine :

I can see what you mean about if people didn't buy the hybrids the technology wouldn't evolve, but they're just too expensive for mass market.

The oil companies do not want us to have "other" fuelled cars at the mass market yet anyway. Everytime a car is invented which will run on something else, the buy the idea out and then sit on it until such time as we have used all the fossil fuel they have!

Until then (which is most likely going to be too late for the planet) we are mostly stuck with what we have. I would love us all to move to a greener more friendly fuel, but it will not happen so quickly. I drive a 1.5 litre diesel (company car) - I don't think I had a choice of a greener car, but I will check next time for sure.

Plus, I bet if we did all move to another source of fuel (whichever one) - we would soon find other side effects that would mean that it still wasn't the perfect fuel. You can never get something for nothing in nature - every action has an equal and opposite reaction - if you take something to power something else - something will be gained (ie the car moving forward) and something will be lost (ie the waste). The waste might not be as immediately obvious as it is at the moment, but I would bet my life on something being found somewhere that was caused by the new fuel.

This is all just what I think on the subject.

Tim

Quote from Bawbag :

Victor, when you get a chance, can you restart the scripe please, it's kinda broke atm.

It's just recycling through the name of people who were in the server, like Misko, Prophet, Noghost, Tonix and stuff like that, never comes to letting people in who are in the server.

There are currently four of us on the server, but only 2 (actually about 4 people but 2 have left the server now) are being invited in a loop. Does the script need restarting again or something?

I and another would like to have a go if we can, please.

Thanks
Tim

Last edited by t1ger, Thu, 13 Jul 2006 21:44.

Pool 5 for me, and I must start by saying, I do not like the LX6 - I can't be fast with it and it is too hairy!!

Anyway, started 8th and gained two places off the start line due to Ginning_Giant and OCR_Attila getting poor starts! But then Grinning_Giant hit me (I have looked back at the replay and it is nobodys fault - he swerved to avoid someone Attila (I think) then hit me and we spun towards the inside of the track, where Grinning_Giant hit Attila again (who had already started spinning on his own) and knocked him into the wall - this caused Attila to take off!! (see previous post).

So, by the end of lap 1, I was 12th. I kept going very carefully, only once getting within a second of my Hotlap of 1:58.52 - its like driving on ice with that car, and the slightest lapse in concentration gets punished. I guess that is why so many people like these cars!

Anyway, I overtook sccc_popeye and then the rest of the places I made up were due to people spinning off and me going past. Apart from aLexusPro, who pitted 6 laps from the end. Other than that, I was on my own making sure that [BR]Bone and (NASSA)Ant didn't close the gap. Fortunately for me they only started closing it 3 laps from the end, but by that time they were 9 seconds behind. I wasn't looking at my gap to the people in front, because I knew I didn't stand a chance of catching them.

Anyway, finished 7th and I am very pleased with that.

Thanks to all racers for good clean race, and Jonesy for hosting!

Tim

Quote from Bawbag :

Tim, if your online or you give me your e-mail I will send you my set if you wish, most people use it, I origionally got it off Jeep so it can't be all bad.

As for my avatar, it rawks doesn't it! Had it years ago for a forum I was on and only just found it amongst all the crap on my pc the other day, I like to think it was me in the womb (Sp?)

Thanks Bawbag - I saw you on line just now, but you were busy racing and the LX6 wasn't on that server so you would have needed to join another server to send it - so its OK! I haven't practiced as much as I would have liked, so I will take my chances with the default RACE_S set.

I am around people I know from the last race, so it will be ok.

I love your avatar too!

Tim

Quote from varjsa-9 :

Though.. I think we could safely remove LX4 from the list Or are there any LX4'ers there?

I still haven't fully decided which car to run. So far I have posted my hotlap in the LX6, but it is the car I hate the most (maybe apart from RAC) but I can not justify losing 4-5seconds a lap with the LX4. I will try and practice some more to try and get more consistant, but chances will be few and far between.

I am still only using the RACE_1 setup at the moment too!!

Good luck all (including me!)

Tim

Quote from Clownpaint :

1 Word, hassle. I would not bring my PC down to an event.

I personally think this started as karting and should stay that way, if you want to organize LFS hopscotch competitions or pie eating contests it should be a seperate event, not replacing this one.

The hassle is a fair point! However, a pie eating contest is not keeping with the racing theme

Quote from ajp71 :

This idea doesn't really interest me as we race online so much anyway we may as well just go down the pub and forget about the hassle of bringing our own PCs to do what we do from the comfort of our living rooms.

Another good point and well made!

Quote from ajp71 :

Although this idea could possibly work if the devs came along with a new patch or treat (or S3) for us to have the first try of

This would be the ultimate event - this would make people want to come and override the hassle factor! I guess this could not turn into an annual event in this case, more of a "S2 Final Release" day!

Hmmmm... things to ponder... thanks for your replies guys.

Tim

Quote from Decibel :

What are peoples opinions of changing the type of event ?

Personally, this is first and foremost an LFS event, therefore it's safe to assume that most, if not all of those that would attend will be avid drivers / racers / motorsport fans.

I understand that the intention of the event is to bring LFSers together socially, but if you remove the 'common ground' of racing I fear there will be fewer wanting to attend.

I'm not saying this has to be a karting event, but something motorsport related. Although, TBH, any other corporate motorsport event is probably prohibitively expensive, so it'll end up being karting anyway.

Perhaps it's time for a poll on which types of events people would prefer ?

/Discuss

I agree that it needs to stay on a racing theme, but how about we hire a big hall and have a "lan party" style meet running LFS. We can either bring our own setups (ie PC and wheel) or have some nice people lend us some (I have known Alienware (now owned by Dell!) do this for other lan party's). I don't know if this will appeal to the likes of Alienware, but I think this sort of event would appeal to more people. I think it would appeal to "other halves" and our kids more too as we as racers would be more accessible as we are not out on a track trapped in our highly concentrated world! The other thing I would do is have a competition on the loan PCs (to make it fair) with knockout races and an overall winner, maybe even classes of race for FOX or TBO etc... I am thinking as I write this...

+1 to have a poll for the Event!

Tim

Quote from tristancliffe :

Everyone ready? :banana:

I have been nervous for a few days now - I just want to get in that Kart NOW!. I have watched the video's and read the notes that Alan posted links too, so I hope I can try and put them into practice!

Tim

Quote from Decibel :

Ummm, don't think i'll have a problem there. My padding is built in and I just can't seem to remove it

ROFL

I can relate to that! I feel better now.

Tim

I am beginning to think that I may get hurt! Something bad always seems to happen to me when I am not with people I know, and your talk of rib protectors and proper suiting and clothing is making me think....

It is also getting me excited, which seems now to have overtaken the nerves! I haven't raced a kart for a few years (probably about 3 years - I think) but I do have my own suit and helmet from the days when we did and Compaq (pre HP "merger") sponsored us.

My other half is not coming, so I have room in the car if anybody is on the M1 corridor between Huddersfield and Nottingham. Just be aware that I am coming back up after the event and not staying over.

See you all there!!!

Tim

Current weather report for NN11 5NH is looking good. 24 degrees and partly cloudy. I did check at the end of last week and it showed "showers" so it could still change before the day... but here's hoping!

See following link for details:
http://uk.weather.com/weather/ ... nn11&code=5nh&y=9

Not long to go now, so I'm starting to get nervous!

Tim

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Just enable max quality(AA+AF) when you take screenshots and put it back to setting which give you most performance when you are playing

Fair point, I can just never be bothered changing it!

Tim

Quote from xapexcivicx :

No no no. He forgot to apply ANY AA

Ouchhhhhh
But yeah, nice picture.

Its not that I forgot, I chose not to!

Anyway, just for you, here it is with 4x AA and 4x AF. As it happens, I do think it looks a lot better, and I will probably not bother to turn it off again and so will leave it on! (unless it affects my performance too much - I only have a nVidia 5700 Ultra)

Enjoy!
Tim

You can download it here: http://silk.lfsnal.org/RaceManager.html

Unfortunately, I know nothing about it but I think all you need to know is on that site and in these forums. And if it is not there, just ask in the forum and somebody will help

Tim

Is the CyberSeat motion simulator thing going to make an appearance this year? I know it went last year, and I appreciate that it was an indoor event, but there might be an indoor area this year that we could use.

Has it been thought of or checked or is it just not coming?

Anybody know?

Tim

Quote from Xaid0n :

heh nice, are you actually touching the ground there? lol because it doesn't look like it ;P

I am not touching the floor at all, all four wheels are in the air. However, I do actually make the corner as I didn't want to take the screenshot from a lap where I am not clean. Doing so just made the screenshot feel "invalid" (call me strange illepall ). This is from my current fastest hotlap of Aston Historic.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Nice picture...but you forgot to aplly some AA.

I do not run with AA on as a rule, I actually prefer the jagged clean lines that keeping it off provides. When it is anti-aliased I feel it looses the clarity. However, I could be wrong now, as this mindset started a long time ago for me. I will turn AA on and take another shot to compare - if it is loads better, I will post it!

Thanks for your comments guys - glad you like it.

Tim

Quote from dUmAsS :

no devs?

Didn't you mean:

?sved on!?!

Seriously, no devs, Victor has informed Tristan that they are not going to make it this year. Which is sad

But please please please do not let this put anybody off coming - it will still be a great event!

Tim

Here is a shot of probably the most "photgraphed" part of Aston

Enjoy!
Tim

Quote from Decibel :

If you're still willing to be teammates Tim, i'll gladly put the extra £30 in too, so at least we have another team position filled. If there is a sudden rush at the end, then we'll just revert back to a 3 person team.

Cheers.

Of course I am! Good stuff, thanks Decibel.

Tim

I want to go to this event so much that I would (and can!) put another £30 in and have a team of 2. However, we run the risk of scaring some people off if we make it a 2 per team event. Maybe we could make it a mix of 2 and 3 person teams? Or is this too unfair then? Its not as if anything is at stake, its only for fun after all!

I know in a 2 man team each driver will be driving for 1 and a quarter hours, but it doesn't have to be all at the same time, it can be 20-30min stints which should be OK.

I am sad that there is not the same interest as last year, and I am also sad that the Devs are not going, but I do not want this to put anybody off coming...

@tristan - lippy has confirmed but it is not updated in the first post!

Also there are potentially two other drivers in danowat (travel arrangements dependant) and bozo who I asked and is waiting to confirm his arrangements.

Other than that, I can do no more...except join servers and start asking random people if they are in the UK and want to come...

Tim

Quote from col :

Why do you make the assumption that bringing in a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers (however talented) would speed up the development process ?

IMO it would do exactly the opposite !

The more people are in a team, the larger percentage of each persons time has to be devoted to communicating with, synchronising with and arguing with the rest of the team. As a team grows, the complexity of managing the project tends to grow exponentially. Who would be organizing this mess ? Scawen Eric and Victor thats who - so instead of devoting most of their time to developing their fine product, they would have to do a huge bunch of extra admin and quality control not to mention political and diplomatic work as their minions start to bicker about why X got to do this while Y only gets to do that ?
illepall
What happens when a volunteer misses a deadline, and the whole community starts to wibble and explode ? Would you put your career/future/livelyhood on the line and trust some peeps you don't know and who you're not even paying to do the work?

No thanks

Part of the reason that LFS is SOOOO good is because of the development process that Scavier have used - do you really want to change that?
I don't, I think they are doing a fine job the way things are

Col, what you said absolutely hits the nail smack bang in the centre of its proverbial head!

Tim

Last edited by t1ger, Tue, 23 May 2006 15:40.

Quote from Decibel :

Go on then t1ger, i'm in

Thanks for the comments guys, I can see it's going to be a light hearted event but with a mildly competitive element (yeah right !) and i'm always up for a laugh.

I'll get a cheque in the post to you on Monday Tristan.

As for a team name, 'The Young Ones' is also from our era, but isn't wholly appropriate under the circumstances , so amusing suggestions on a postcard.

I look forward to seeing you all in person.

Excellent, you might want to PM Tristancliffe so that he knows you are confirming, then he can tell you where to send the cheque to.

Right what about another one?! Any takers?

Tim

Quote from Worm :

me too, i think the team standing must concerned all the team members.
if a team has 20 members and 10 who are bad, its his problem ^^
a good team is not a team with 3 good racer but a team where all the members are good... its my opinion

You are absolutely right about Teams, I agree completely.

However, this issue is with the national standings (described as National Teams by Rudi) where everyone with the same nationality is taken into consideration. This score is affected by the people who sign up with the full intention to race, put 1 hotlap in, get -40 points for not showing up and then don't race again for the entire season. This brings the average of the entire nation down.

I am not saying that the people that do this are wrong, because they could have perfectly acceptable reasons for not racing the entire season, I just don't think their results should get used in the National Standings in much the same way that the Individual Standings no longer show anybody with 0 or less points.

Tim

I am 31, and don't drink alcohol at all (go on, get the comments/shock out of the way now ).

I will gladly team up with you Decibel, which means we just need one more! I see Dan is already in a team, but his teammate (Lippy) has not confirmed yet. Perhaps if he does not confirm, we can call ourselves a team?! We could call our team "The A-Team" as...that....is.....errr....from our era....!?

Waddya think guys? Possibly leave me out of the team name decision, eh!

Tim