Important Information
The qualifying server is now up and running again. There are some important changes for you to be aware of.
Sadly, I can not test fix 1 because the times it occurs are very few and far between. Please notify me of any problems either by email (see contacts page) or on this thread.
- The InSim application should now have less reasons to fall over. Split LFS packets should now be dealt with properly.
- You will get a message notification when you complete a lap telling you if the laptime was accepted by the system. If you hide messages (using the "-" key), these will not be displayed.
- Qualifying will now end Thursday 29th May 2008 at 18:00 GMT. This gives us more time to arrange and publish the grids and will be adopted for the rest of the season. Please spread this information around to your teammates to ensure everyone is aware.
Sadly, I can not test fix 1 because the times it occurs are very few and far between. Please notify me of any problems either by email (see contacts page) or on this thread.
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I'm glad it worked for you, I knew what I meant to be doing, I just couldn't translate it to a reasonable setup which was also stable. It was just a really stable setup because it was sooooo slow.
Never mind, 13th in Pool 3 is a good result for me, so I am happy.
Well done bozo
Race Results/Stats etc will be up by Wednesday btw
Tim
July seems to be an expensive month for us Brits to fly over (£120 one way incl taxes with Ryanair - haven't checked anywhere else). Compared with £90.40 return incl taxes, in early June.
I am not in any way suggesting you should move your dates around me, but just to let you know, the date you are looking at (5th July) is probably not good for me.
Tim
I am not in any way suggesting you should move your dates around me, but just to let you know, the date you are looking at (5th July) is probably not good for me.
Tim
Pool 3 for me (wahay! equaling my highest pool ever but not my highest position)
I used R3s which I had tested on and were fine. Two minutes before the race I changed the pressures in the left hand side tyres to a higher pressure than the right side as they were getting hotter. Seemed to work OK. I started with a rear wing of about 17 and a front wing of about 13 I think. I soon realised that this was too slow as I was blown past by everyone. But finishing the race was my goal and so I carried on. Then when I pitted, I decided to change my wing settings to front: 9, rear: 10 (or something around that) and then I was able to get some decent speed. I had tried this just before the race and found myself sliding all over the place, so I changed it back before the start. On lap 20 I pitted and decided not to change my tyres so the heat that was already there would stop me from sliding with the lowered wings - however, I forgot to change it from always change my tyres, and I got four new tyres. And to top it all, I missed my pit box!
All in all, a crap race, in which I had to push hard just to be assured of last place! But looking at the points, 13th in Pool 3 is just 1/2 point less than 1st in pool 4, so I am happy.
I hate the next two cars, so I expect last pool for me!
Tim
I used R3s which I had tested on and were fine. Two minutes before the race I changed the pressures in the left hand side tyres to a higher pressure than the right side as they were getting hotter. Seemed to work OK. I started with a rear wing of about 17 and a front wing of about 13 I think. I soon realised that this was too slow as I was blown past by everyone. But finishing the race was my goal and so I carried on. Then when I pitted, I decided to change my wing settings to front: 9, rear: 10 (or something around that) and then I was able to get some decent speed. I had tried this just before the race and found myself sliding all over the place, so I changed it back before the start. On lap 20 I pitted and decided not to change my tyres so the heat that was already there would stop me from sliding with the lowered wings - however, I forgot to change it from always change my tyres, and I got four new tyres. And to top it all, I missed my pit box!
All in all, a crap race, in which I had to push hard just to be assured of last place! But looking at the points, 13th in Pool 3 is just 1/2 point less than 1st in pool 4, so I am happy.
I hate the next two cars, so I expect last pool for me!
Tim
Well, if this all pans out nicely, I would like to go to Finland too. I know some of the Finnish racers (Sami inparticular) and it would be a great opportunity to meet and greet!
I will keep my eye on this thread too and we could travel together.
Tim
No, its not just you - the back end is like it is on ice for me too! Thanks horrgakx for the tip - I will try messing with that.
My qualifying setup will be very close to that used by the world record holder and will be balanced on the edge of drivable! My race set however, will be a "stuck to the ground", "couldn't spin the back around if you tried", "slow but VERY stable" set made by exaggerated tweaks of some sliders followed by a rigorous 5 minute test which will no doubt start about 4 minutes before my pool!
Tim
My qualifying setup will be very close to that used by the world record holder and will be balanced on the edge of drivable! My race set however, will be a "stuck to the ground", "couldn't spin the back around if you tried", "slow but VERY stable" set made by exaggerated tweaks of some sliders followed by a rigorous 5 minute test which will no doubt start about 4 minutes before my pool!
Tim
Firstly, I would just like to say to Ant, I told you I would investigate, and I did. Do you know how long it took me to sit and watch the replay? The replay on the server started at 10:45 (UTC) on Saturday and I watched it until around 17:40 (UTC), there was more to the replay, but I did not go further than this as I had seen the incident you reported. I just sat at that corner watching at 8x speed, and I caught another racer doing it earlier in the day. I then had to fast forward through again to watch it closely and to get the details so that I could inform the rest of the staff. All told this cost me around 2.5 hours of my time. I did this because you alerted me to the incident. We have then taken this information and investigated it as promised and then made a ruling (as seen on the site). To be honest, after having sat through all of that replay to then see no action being taken was pretty frustrating for me, but that is the decision of the OLFSL team and so that is how it shall be; I accept that.
Please do not suggest that I told you something and then did nothing about it (as I read your "yawn" to be). (ps if this is not how you meant it and I have misread it then I apologise now).
Anyway, onto my race: figure this out for me if you will: last race I absolutely loved it! I was clean and tidy for the entire race, my strategy was faultless and I ended up winning (I have to admit to watching the replay quite a lot, although most of this was done while debugging the RaceControl application that we use to control our events). It was great, I felt so good afterwards. I scored 60 points for winning Pool 7. This week, I manged to qualify a little better. Somehow, I managed to sneak into a mid Pool 5 grid slot (and out qualify Solar Hydro, which I normally fail to do, even though he races with a mouse and I use a G25!! (I still don't understand this)). Anyway, my race is appalling - I hate it from about lap 14 I think, when everything goes pear-shaped and I end up eating grass for about 30 seconds!! GRRRRRRRR! Then I pit and then I spin another 3 times, and then I spend the rest of the race going slower and slower! How irritating. Then I decide, 4 laps from the end, to try a new setup. I chose R2s for the race, but they are blue and not even warm enough - I lower the pressure to try to get some heat into them and make me faster around the corners. Sadly it doesn't work and I just end up having a slower top speed and a slightly slower lap time. Anyway, I end up last (11th after starting 5th) and feel so depressed it hurts. Guess how many points for 11th in Pool 5?
70.5! Where is the justice!
(Sami: don't for a minute think I am suggesting the points system changing, I am merely pointing out how it happens sometimes.)
Tim
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Reason : I won Pool 7 not Pool 6.
Thank you for the report. This is being investigated.
Tim
Tim
Indeed Pool 7 was fun. I started 2nd behind D Robb. By the end of the first straight I was 3rd after being overtaken by Ady Durn after he stormed through with a fantastic start from the line.
I was able to stick close to both of them and we quickly pulled away from the rest of the field. Ady Durn clearly had a quicker car, but the he was unable to keep it on track, and after one slight mistake, I took my opportunity and took 2nd place back from him. If I remember correctly, this was just after the chicane, at the 90 degree corner going onto the main straight.
Then I pulled away from him and kept D Robb in my sights. I soon found that I was slightly quicker than D Robb, but not enough to actually overtake him. My only hope was to run longer than him and put in some quicker laps before my pit stop so that I could leap frog him. Fortunately, D Robb stopped at the end of lap 15. I stayed out and ran two more laps and at the end of lap 17, I stopped. I had very little damage and my tyres (I knew) would last, so my stop lasted 2 seconds (a popular strategy amongst the top pools I have later discovered) and I easily came out in the lead. In fact, D Robb's pitstop had been really long and he was now back in 4th place. 2nd place man now was Logan5 and the 11 second gap soon increased to 11.5 and then to 12seconds.
Just before my pitstop, sheepy had been putting in some stonking laps and catching me up. Fortunately he stopped at the same time as me and his stop must have been longer as he ended up 23 seconds behind me. He was always faster than me, but I was able to stay consistent and keep the lead.
That was my first win in this league, and although it was in Pool 7, it was a fantastic fight and most definately the best race I have had to date. My thanks for close and fair racing go to D Robb and Ady Durn. To anyone else reading, if you get chance, watch the first few laps of the race, because there is some close and very fair racing, which is really good to watch.
In fact, the last 3 laps of Pool 3 (edit: it was pool 3 not pool 2 sorry!) were just as entertaining, if you have lots of spare time. The pit stops have added a little bit of excitement, which was, of course, our aim!
See you all in the FBM!
Tim
I was able to stick close to both of them and we quickly pulled away from the rest of the field. Ady Durn clearly had a quicker car, but the he was unable to keep it on track, and after one slight mistake, I took my opportunity and took 2nd place back from him. If I remember correctly, this was just after the chicane, at the 90 degree corner going onto the main straight.
Then I pulled away from him and kept D Robb in my sights. I soon found that I was slightly quicker than D Robb, but not enough to actually overtake him. My only hope was to run longer than him and put in some quicker laps before my pit stop so that I could leap frog him. Fortunately, D Robb stopped at the end of lap 15. I stayed out and ran two more laps and at the end of lap 17, I stopped. I had very little damage and my tyres (I knew) would last, so my stop lasted 2 seconds (a popular strategy amongst the top pools I have later discovered) and I easily came out in the lead. In fact, D Robb's pitstop had been really long and he was now back in 4th place. 2nd place man now was Logan5 and the 11 second gap soon increased to 11.5 and then to 12seconds.
Just before my pitstop, sheepy had been putting in some stonking laps and catching me up. Fortunately he stopped at the same time as me and his stop must have been longer as he ended up 23 seconds behind me. He was always faster than me, but I was able to stay consistent and keep the lead.
That was my first win in this league, and although it was in Pool 7, it was a fantastic fight and most definately the best race I have had to date. My thanks for close and fair racing go to D Robb and Ady Durn. To anyone else reading, if you get chance, watch the first few laps of the race, because there is some close and very fair racing, which is really good to watch.
In fact, the last 3 laps of Pool 3 (edit: it was pool 3 not pool 2 sorry!) were just as entertaining, if you have lots of spare time. The pit stops have added a little bit of excitement, which was, of course, our aim!
See you all in the FBM!
Tim
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Normally you would email [email protected] however his email is not working at the moment, so please PM him here on the forum.
Thanks
Tim
No problem, and even better than that, the page now shows the car used. Thank you for pointing it out!
Tim
The qualifying server knows which car you have used and the database stores this. However, the web page which displays the current standings does not show it.
I, unfortunately, do not have access to the server that this web page is served from so I will have to speak to S.Varjonen to get him to add it.
Thanks
Tim
This is because Hash Gordon was added to the pool at the last minute as he did not qualify for the event. He shows in the Replays and Stats as this is based on the cars that were connected to the server during the race. He doesn't show in the results because the site is not expecting him in the results.
Sami, can you put him into pool7 and I will upload the results again tonight?
Thanks for pointing this out Horrgakx.
Tim
I haven't done much testing or practice yet, but boy do I know what you are talking about there!
Tim
133 racers have qualified, obviously some will not make the race, but I think that proves it is just your opinion. Opinions are very welcome, as always.
I personally hate this car, but that is the great thing about this league - we try all different variations and after being forced into using it (or face missing out on some points) I may find I can handle the car better and start out on the long road to liking it!
Tim
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I am sorry about that, I try to make my posts as clear and consice as possible to avoid such confusion, but sometimes I end up making them too long and complicated which makes them even more confusing :S
Yes, this entire season for us will be run using this Qualifying routine. Thanks for your understanding.
Tim
You are clearly much faster than I, as I can not get around to there (in this car) in less than 32.24
Anyway, yes, the first time you cross split 1 after you have left the pits (when LFS does not give you a split time) is NOT counted by the system. This is your outlap, and is therefore not counted.
The sequence of events is as follows:
Normal completed lap:
Anyway, yes, the first time you cross split 1 after you have left the pits (when LFS does not give you a split time) is NOT counted by the system. This is your outlap, and is therefore not counted.
The sequence of events is as follows:
Normal completed lap:
- Leave pits.
- Cross split 1 - not counted as this is your outlap.
- Cross start finish line - LFS starts timing your lap.
- Cross split 1 - LFS times you and our Qualifying system takes one lap from your available laps.
- Cross start finish line - LFS gives you a lap time and our Qualifying system updates your fastest lap time (if you have been quicker).
- Leave pits.
- Cross split 1 - not counted as this is your outlap.
- Cross start finish line - LFS starts timing your lap.
- Abort lap before split 1 - your lap count is not affected.
- Leave pits.
- Cross split 1 - not counted as this is your outlap.
- Cross start finish line - LFS starts timing your lap.
- Cross split 1 - LFS times you and our Qualifying system takes one lap from your available laps.
- Abort lap before crossing start finish line - you can not improve your laptime, but you now have one less lap with which to qualify.
Split 1 is the first split on the track at the end of the first sector. This is NOT the start/finish line.
On this first track (South City Town Course), the first split is at around 31-35 seconds into the lap (depending upon your laptime).
Tim
Thank you for the sets and a bigger thank you for sharing them! I stink at setups, so I rely on people like you
Tim
Tim
I stopped developing the mind reading utility when I found I didn't have a mind to read!Hi Steel, it is my pleasure and I wish I could give you some laps back for a genuine mistake, but alas, I can not. The rules page on the OLFSL site has been updated with the fact that passing Split 1 takes one of your available laps off, and the information buttons in LFS show you too. I will make a point to make this point even clearer in future so that it can not happen again.
I hope you enjoy this season and don't get caught out again!
Tim
Hi Steel,
I have checked and you have started 15 laps but completed only 10. Crossing Split 1 takes the lap from your available laps and it doesn't matter if you finish the lap or not. However, the web site will only show how many laps you have fully completed and set a laptime on.
I also see that you have hidden the information buttons that appear at the top of LFS while you are on the server. These buttons show you exactly how many more times you can cross Split 1.
I hope this answers your question.
Tim
Thanks for the report, this has now been fixed in 0.2.6. The server should be back up and running later with the new exe.
The HIDE and OFF/AUTO functions have now been combined into one HIDE function.
With the information shown at the top of the screen:
- Clicking the HIDE button, will hide the information until it is requested again. It will NOT be shown when the split or lap is crossed.
- Pressing SHIFT+I will have the same effect as clicking the HIDE button.
- Pressing SHIFT+I will show the information again and it will continue to be shown until such times as it is hidden again.
Tim
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