Reading most of the people there, test patch forum will be closed soon again....

City with TBO or LX4 is extremly fun!

+1 for more cities, not only South City

Orange needed here too

I want a new track, with many variants. One of them (or more) with no tarmack at all. More cars will be fantastic: WRC and WTCC class

I remember that Scawen said that the next patch will be NO compatible, because the false starts and many other improvements like reset disable by the host

Quote from noemfie :

Some of Eric's work , like new GTR interiors and maybe a track or 2 ,I think Scawen also mentioned a few changes in multiplayer options (maybe a structured weekend option ..dunno :shrug

Where can I read this?


"structured weekend option" what do you mean?

I need 7000€ for a new Kart

Quote from sinbad :

Agree about the engines, XFGTi in particular should be a real fizzy little firecracker, and I don't get that impression from the current sounds, but (although it was technically a much poorer sound) the original sounds did give me that impression.

General question now, anyone else find the gear-whine totally uninspiring? It's more like a whistle, the sound is the same for every car and only the volume is altered. It needs to be much more agressive and dynamic, more gear and throttle dependant, not just louder on the GTR race cars, and should not just be the same sound as on the road cars but at a different volume.
THIS is gearbox whine
(I know we don't have that car too btw)
http://uk.video.yahoo.com/vide ... %3DUTF-8%26meta%3Dvc%253D

hehehe what a noise!! great example for Scawen

Scawen, you look happier than before (2 months) . Your kid is less work for you?

We wish you really good holidays

hehehe, i should shut up often

I was talking about standard turbos for standard cars

A wastegate is a valve that diverts exhaust gases away from the turbine wheel in a turbocharged engine system. Diversion of exhaust gases causes the turbine to lose speed, which in turn reduces the rotating speed of the compressor. The primary function of the wastegate is to stabilize boost pressure in turbocharger systems, to protect the engine and the turbocharger. The wastegate is controlled by a wastegate actuator.


That's just I want to say, but my poor english.....

And you can imagine that is "imposible" to ear this. Because the gases dont go out, they go inside the exhaust system mixed with the noise of the engine (poor english sorry again)

Last edited by TRM.13, Tue, 19 Dec 2006 11:55.

"I dunno if i got some people wrong in here... but i had a 944 turbo wich uses a wastegate. And it is actually there because a turbo will always produce a lot more boost than an engine can handle if you don't blow of the pressure that is too much.

Some wastegates are controlled by a spring in the wastegate itself, some are controlled via electronics. The 944 turbo controls the wastegate via its KLR (control unit for "turbo related functions"). There's a certain ammount of pressure and if the turbo produces more pressure, the wastegate just opens and blows off the pressure that goes lets say above 14psi for example. It's basically to protect the engine.

This is prooved with the 944 turbo. There's a screw that acts as a "valve" in the airintake system. If you replace this screw with a normal one (you block the information about how much boost is running like this, so the KLR wont know (its a common test to see if your turbocharger is still working if the car produces not enough boost)). Now if you do this and your turbo is still fine, you will easily run pressures WAY above normal ones. And easily destroy your engine.

The wastegate is to blow off pressure that is too much, produced by the turbo (a turbo doesnt increase pressure "proportional", if you don't blow off pressure at some point it gets a lot more than the engine can handle).

I think this is way offtopic, but some people in here explained the wastegate completely wrong in my opinion.

Anyway, sorry for the offtopic... "

But the wastegate opens a way to the escape, this causes less rpm for the turbine and less air presure to the engine.

Quote from jibber :

I dunno if i got some people wrong in here... but i had a 944 turbo wich uses a wastegate. And it is actually there because a turbo will always produce a lot more boost than an engine can handle if you don't blow of the pressure that is too much.

Some wastegates are controlled by a spring in the wastegate itself, some are controlled via electronics. The 944 turbo controls the wastegate via its KLR (control unit for "turbo related functions"). There's a certain ammount of pressure and if the turbo produces more pressure, the wastegate just opens and blows off the pressure that goes lets say above 14psi for example. It's basically to protect the engine.

This is prooved with the 944 turbo. There's a screw that acts as a "valve" in the airintake system. If you replace this screw with a normal one (you block the information about how much boost is running like this, so the KLR wont know (its a common test to see if your turbocharger is still working if the car produces not enough boost)). Now if you do this and your turbo is still fine, you will easily run pressures WAY above normal ones. And easily destroy your engine.

The wastegate is to blow off pressure that is too much, produced by the turbo (a turbo doesnt increase pressure "proportional", if you don't blow off pressure at some point it gets a lot more than the engine can handle).

I think this is way offtopic, but some people in here explained the wastegate completely wrong in my opinion.

Anyway, sorry for the offtopic...

I will open a thread in general discussion about this, ok?

Quote from DeXteRrBDN :

no more patch collections? :_( I used to save all patches on my disk.

Could be nice to save a zip file with version after autoupload
Could be useful for deinstalling a patch or use an older version.

Yes, we need a restore system, usually test patches are "buggers"

Quote from danowat :

But the wastegate doesn't (neccesarily) make any noise

I really think that wastegate makes no sound at all...

Quote from herki :

Great, now you made me login at work
afaik turbo cars which produce higher pressure than needed use a wastegate, which let's the lets the unneccessary pressure go off to nowhere (engine bay), making quite a load noise. Not too sure either, if nobody else cares I can do some research when I get home

The wastegate opens a way for the exhaust gases directly to the escape, without passing for the turbine. If you don't do that, the turbo will presure more and more the fresh air until the crash of something of the engine

The dumpvalve opens a way for the fresh air when you closes the throtlle (the air don't have any way to go), if you don't do that, turbine will overcharge because of excesive pression

Last edited by TRM.13, Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:26.

I think that there isn't more air from the turbo. The exhausts have reached their maximun and the turbo is at 2 atm, then the air presure is the same until the change of the gear because the wastegate

engine 3000rpm: turbo at 1,5 atm.
engine 4000rpm turbo 2atm
engine 5000rpm turbo 2atm, excess of exhausts goes directly out the turbine

Quote from patrese :

I must say i like the new engine sound and gear whine sound, but now even with engine volume boost and all other sounds (except skid volume) turned all the way down, i still cant hear the skid loud enough although it's turned up to the max.
it lures me into thinking i'm driving clean when i'm not.
is it just me?
average pat

READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING AGAIN (AND AGAIN) THE SAME

Moderators, please do something! This thread is corrupted with Spam and shit like "sound is bad"

Scawen will close the thread if we don't care it

Quote from trackah123 :

i like the idea of this new sound..

except for the engine sound itself (engine folder .eng files).. because all cars kinda sounds the same.. no real difference..

the engine sound itself needs to be changed.. less muffled.. and every car needs a different kind of engine sound.

but the turbo. shiftsounds etc sounds pretty good tbh ..

Seems like no one reads Scawen or the thread.....

DON'T REPEAT ALWAYS THE SAME THING PLEASE!!

Scawen do the best he can, be patient!

Another one....again and again the same thing all days.... Booooring

Quote from Scawen :

TRM : We are now using DirectSound, and it uses a "GetCurrentPosition" something like the old system, so "Sound Lag" makes sense again.

You can either leave it at 0.1, or you can reduce it, but don't reduce it too much or you will have more skipping in sounds, whenever you have a slow frame (like someone left the pits or a graphical glitch, whatever). If you have too much skipping in sounds, you can increase it. Only, the more you increase it, the more delay there will be between making a sound, and hearing that sound.

That is clear, thx!
But, in U22 I can see "sound blocks", and in U25 "Sound retard" in the same place "options/other", this was my question. Sound retard is at 0,10 seg by default, sound block was 2 by default.

Sorry, I am not english, and I havent read or understand, why has change sound BLOCKS to sound retard again. How can we tune this?

Last edited by TRM.13, Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:55.

Quote from Jamexing :

We are still in LFS S2 Alpha, and there are so much physics/graphics/audio stuff that's incomplete, so why the mad rush for S3?

The real questions now are when will we reach beta stage and S2 final.

The real-real question is how many surprises we will see until S2 final