Ahh that was you! LOL that was funny xD

Sorry with practice, im cant practice with my trip, im go with vacations sorry
Greets

Quote from PMD9409 :

Improvement:
Chatting- Don't let people chat in Q, period. If they do add 1 sec to their Q or something, it honestly shouldn't be tolerated.

You were allowed to block them during your qualification. That's the whole point of it. Well was.

Quote from dekojester :

This isn't a NASCAR game, this isn't anything other than New Dimension Racing's Kyoto 250. We set the rules and enforce them. We tend to base most of them off of NASCAR rules, but we have implemented the NASCAR rule of no racing to the caution as they have now. The rule only states that: That the caution freezes the fielf (as best as we can by limitations of Timing and Scoring in LFS). It is up to the drivers to correctly slow down under the caution. I tend to remind people of how we expect them to handle Cautions when called. To reiterate them here, and will be further posted by me in the Notices thread:

We expect that drivers will heed the administrator called cautions and any yellow flags displayed automatically by Live for Speed. We expect that they will not make any sudden, drastic changes in speed or direction in reaction to these, except in cases where such actions are required to avoid contact with other cars. We expect that drivers not near the source of the problem gradually lift off the throttle, and slow down to a speed around half of normal speed.

d

okay then you need to state to everyone that when the caution comes out, that you simply let off safely if you are on a streight and not to let off if a yellow comes out and your ina corner cause that would cause another wrecked slowing down in corners.

or in the case of yesterday tell people when the yellow comes out not to blaitently full foce brake dur in a turn creating a car barrier for people behind to hit lol.

and on another note, none of you orgonisers have replyed to how i got sent to the back of the line after replying to a admin who talked TO me. safety car infact who talked to me...

Quote from BranislavS :

i get penetrated from behind all the time

Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

Really, if realism is what we want, there should be no chat during quali or the race, we should all connect to vent and get orders/chat (about current race stuff) there.

Appology accepted PMD. Please don't bumpdraft in any kind of corners in future.
I just wonder why on Earth there was NOT a SC when I crashed?
Because it was few laps before the end? Now that's just lame, if you were doing, what you were doing, and it was shit tbh, 1 clear lap and then 3 SC then this is million % SC situation too!
People would have enough fuel for extra laps cos they saved loads in those SC periods...

I want at least 20 clear laps to see before the damn caution.

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

and on another note, none of you orgonisers have replyed to how i got sent to the back of the line after replying to a admin who talked TO me. safety car infact who talked to me...

that talk was unnecessary and you got what you've deserved
I'd just put you on back of the grid for being too close to SC, and let's not talk about bumping SC. You ppl have to learn to give room to others. 50 meters room between cars! When you're coming to last corner before restart, then bunch up.
This way, with cars too close, tires warming up is very dangerous.
I had to virtually make some room for myself by slowing down the whole pack behind :|

Quote from N I K I :

that talk was unnecessary and you got what you've deserved
I'd just put you on back of the grid for being too close to SC, and let's not talk about bumping SC. You ppl have to learn to give room to others. 50 meters room between cars! When you're coming to last corner before restart, then bunch up.
This way, with cars too close, tires warming up is very dangerous.
I had to virtually make some room for myself by slowing down the whole pack behind :|

well i was getting nudged from behind so i got wedged between sc and who ever was behind, ken i think. then the sc talked to me direct so i replyed.. like any human in the world would do if they was talked to especially talked to by an admin

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

well i was getting nudged from behind so i got wedged between sc and who ever was behind, ken i think. then the sc talked to me direct so i replyed.. like any human in the world would do if they was talked to especially talked to by an admin

nudged by behind, now that's just stupid by someone. It's not fun to nudge ppl during SC period is irresponsible and dangerous. Car in front or behind can start warming tires up any time and what if you nudge him in that very moment, he'll spin. Stay away for some decent distance, always. Just bunch up last couple of hundred meters before restart.
But this also shows that you were to close to SC

But still Ice, you have no right to talk if talk is banned, just realize it hehe.
I wanted to say million things during the race, specially why is there so many SC's...

I know, he talked to you, but you weren't supposed to talk to him, it was not a discussion, it was an order.

Quote from N I K I :

nudged by behind, now that's just stupid by someone. It's not fun to nudge ppl during SC period is irresponsible and dangerous. Car in front or behind can start warming tires up any time and what if you nudge him in that very moment, he'll spin. Stay away for some decent distance, always. Just bunch up last couple of hundred meters before restart.
But this also shows that you were to close to SC

But still Ice, you have no right to talk if talk is banned, just realize it hehe.
I wanted to say million things during the race, specially why is there so many SC's...

I know, he talked to you, but you weren't supposed to talk to him, it was not a discussion, it was an order.

i have nothing against the rule of not being able to talk, but if a admin talks to you, would be rude to ignore so all i replyed was "" to the admin.

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

i have nothing against the rule of not being able to talk, but if a admin talks to you, would be rude to ignore so all i replyed was "" to the admin.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought the ment you were having your period and would have had to leave. Oh, well.

A is not a reply. It does not indicate any sort of agreeing. It's merely spam. Arguably the no-chat rule is confusing since getting admin attention is allowed, but in a nutshell: Don't say anything unless asked.

Second of all, the no-chat rule also applies when you're not actually on track. So please, no more outbursts when there's a race going on for other people. Preferreably never online in any server with anyone, it's rude.

Quote from Timdpr :

Sorry, I couldn't help myself!

Really, if realism is what we want, there should be no chat during quali or the race, we should all connect to vent and get orders/chat (about current race stuff) there.

Ok overall it was fun

Btw the ventrilo ,would be able to hear just the Deko voice? i don't like the HAHAHAAA WHOOOOAAAA noices

IIRC you can set it up so you can speak to all subchannels. So you'd get a subchannel, where everyone must remain silent.

Also you can just mute people who are annoying (right click ->user -> mute)

Quote from hyntty :

Also you can just mute people who are annoying (right click ->user -> mute)

but when people leave and join the mute permision is gone

Yeh we'll set up a subcahnnel for those who don't wish to hear anything extra. Also for your team if requested.

Quote from Jimmy_Lemon :

okay then you need to state to everyone that when the caution comes out, that you simply let off safely if you are on a streight and not to let off if a yellow comes out and your ina corner cause that would cause another wrecked slowing down in corners.

or in the case of yesterday tell people when the yellow comes out not to blaitently full foce brake dur in a turn creating a car barrier for people behind to hit lol.

and on another note, none of you orgonisers have replyed to how i got sent to the back of the line after replying to a admin who talked TO me. safety car infact who talked to me...

The proper behavior when the Safety Car is deployed is covered in the Safety Car section of the rules. Reading and knowing the rules is required. We don't require you to be able to recite a section at verbatim, but you are expected to know about all procedures.

I reviewed your case in the chat log, and you were asked to back off of the SC. The proper and only needed response is to back off the SC. There is nothing else. The car pushing you from behind would be deemed at fault for any incidents, assuming you just gently slowed down to increase the gap. The "" was not needed. The penalty is therefore correct.

d

Quote from N I K I :

nudged by behind, now that's just stupid by someone. It's not fun to nudge ppl during SC period is irresponsible and dangerous. Car in front or behind can start warming tires up any time and what if you nudge him in that very moment, he'll spin. Stay away for some decent distance, always. Just bunch up last couple of hundred meters before restart.
But this also shows that you were to close to SC

But still Ice, you have no right to talk if talk is banned, just realize it hehe.
I wanted to say million things during the race, specially why is there so many SC's...

I know, he talked to you, but you weren't supposed to talk to him, it was not a discussion, it was an order.

Ken make sure to read this post I'm sure it applies to you. This I know from past experience. I thought you said you wouldn't be doing this under caution anymore?

Despite the large amount of yellows this time, I think there's quite a few good positive things to come out of the race:

• Behaviour under SC wasn't too bad on the whole. Ken needs to stop running right on the back of Joe/Nolan/Phil or whoever's rear end. :P Other things:
  
• Under SC, make sure you run at a constant speed, and if deko asks you to slow down/speed up or whatever, do it gradually, not full throttle/full brakes. And on SC restarts, please don't go above SC speed (~50mph) at all, even if you're a bit behind the car in front. In you speeding up, you have to slow down again, meaning there's a massive pile up behind you as everyone has to slow down again.
  
• In between the cautions I saw some pretty good racing, and if we can get the entire grid to do that then it will be a great race.
  

Some things to improve:

• Patience: Although I can see that getting ahead in a 34 lap race might be slightly more important, there's no need to rush in the proper 134 lap event. There will be plenty of time to make up for mistakes, so don't worry if you drop back a bit and don't go for rash moves - T3 is a nasty place to overtake so consider dropping back and going for a move into T1. And if you're in a pack of 4 cars or so, use your brain, and remember that the cars infront are probably looking to pass the car infront of them rather than looking where you are overtaking them, so patience and brains are needed.
  
• Awareness: On the whole, I saw no issues at all with side-to-side awareness, the vast majority seemed to leave each other ample room to pass, and this wasn't a problem. IMO though, the major issue was front/back awareness. Make sure you check your mirrors and make sure that you are behind the car your are following before getting back into the draft. Also remember that the XR has a really long bonnet so you are probably closer to the car infront than you think.
  
• My final point is definitely one for those less experienced on the oval. I think half the problem was in fact not that you are 'oval n00bs', but that your car is controlling you. If you d/l the replay and watch some laps from (for example) O'Keefe/Scott/Shaw/Diaz/Dakovic, you'll see that they are completely at one with their machine - they can almost tell exactly what the car is going to do before its even done it, they are driving the car, the car isn't driving them. If you get the chance before the next session, do a little tweaking with the set to see if it makes it slightly better for you, just something as simple as adjusting the ARB can help. Drop by the server and someone might be there who can help you
  

Hope to see you (and Joe Ellis slightly less) at the next practice event

J@tko

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v= ... 969236DB7D8FA&index=8

Quote from dekojester :

The SC held the speed desigated using a setup with gears set for the speed. It us up to the drivers to stay within a reasonable distance of that speed and give a reasonable gap to other drivers.

There was quite a bit of weaving...it appeared to be that there weren't (m)any incidents caused by the weaving, which I could attribute to the excellent driving skills of those doing so.

The qualifying error was due to a miscalculation on my part. The program can do multiple options for the dispatch time, I happened to select the one that was incorrect for the session.

I sometimes will tend to be a bit more liberal in throwing cautions in practice races, if for the sole reason of seeing how people behave under them. SC periods tend to be the biggest fail point of any league in LFS, so the more practice in them, the better.

d

Thanks, that is what i wanted to hear, and what i meant.

Anyway, I promise Ill keep chatting to minimum next race

Will you forgive me?

Quote from racer hero :

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v= ... 969236DB7D8FA&index=8

Yeah please don't do that - we don't have a pr0 in the SC

Quote from J@tko :

Yeah please don't do that - we don't have a pr0 in the SC

Put Timo in the SC and it would be fine.

Would have been better if I didnt get banned for a dodgy connection! Why does my connection pack up when there are to many people online?

Jon

Quote from racer hero :

Put Timo in the SC and it would be fine.

It wasn't really a problem... just quite annoying

And, IIRC, the rules state you should keep 5 car lengths off the SC :-P

Quote from ferraif40 :

Would have been better if I didnt get banned for a dodgy connection! Why does my connection pack up when there are to many people online?



Jon

Quote from Toddshooter :

Ken make sure to read this post I'm sure it applies to you. This I know from past experience. I thought you said you wouldn't be doing this under caution anymore?

no, it's not meant to ken only, it's for allll of yoooo, everyone's too close
look at the distance between cars here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMbl_gfSFo