I also never used this before... but read it so often... Now it was time to use it... and no one knows it...
I also never used this before... but read it so often... Now it was time to use it... and no one knows it...
Maybe noone knows it because ... it's LAME 
Now go buy your license, there's a good chap. We'll settle this on the track :up:
Now go buy your license, there's a good chap. We'll settle this on the track :up:
**LOL**
But when I get this job, I will never finish my diploma.
You know this discussion is not about money only... it's about some principles I don't understand... and it's related to my S1 license which is only for offline content suitable... The "upgrade discount" was discovered by someone other here and that's not a bad idea compared to the programming stuff needed for a limited S1 access to a S2 server.
Robbson.
You wont get the limited access to S2 servers. There are several reasons, and most of them are easy to figure out:
First: you even have physics upgrade etc. for S1, why upgrade max. clients? Why should you buy S2 then (hey, people wanna live from their work...). Get the "new" game S2 for just an upgrade price and stop whining about some really really selfish shit. Or do you whine to Bill Gates, cause Win98 support stopped? Or Need For Speed Porsche Servers stopped? Or MotorcityOnline servers stopped? Or NFS Underground stopped? Is there actually ANY other game that gives you new track, physics upgrade, and additional features for nothing? 2 years after release. If there would be more people like you, there would be more S1 servers, but obviously, you are almost alone, and should start thinking about that...
Edit: Not getting Diploma for 3 hours of work?
First: you even have physics upgrade etc. for S1, why upgrade max. clients? Why should you buy S2 then (hey, people wanna live from their work...). Get the "new" game S2 for just an upgrade price and stop whining about some really really selfish shit. Or do you whine to Bill Gates, cause Win98 support stopped? Or Need For Speed Porsche Servers stopped? Or MotorcityOnline servers stopped? Or NFS Underground stopped? Is there actually ANY other game that gives you new track, physics upgrade, and additional features for nothing? 2 years after release. If there would be more people like you, there would be more S1 servers, but obviously, you are almost alone, and should start thinking about that...
Edit: Not getting Diploma for 3 hours of work?
Exactly. Things such as the cost of upgrading from an S1 to an S2 licence really need to be put in perspective. I'm frequently staggered at folk here complaining about lack of this, too much cost, can't justify spending that, etc.
But presumably they can somehow afford a recent computer and a suitable internet connection to play online games, rather than using monkeys at a typewriter to send messages by carrier pigeon.
Presumably they then also go to movies, nights out, going out for dinner, and so on. And in one night will have spent at least the cost of S3. I know I've blown at least the cost of S8 in one evening of drinking before (and that's just of the nights I can remember), and I sure as hell aint loaded either. I count my pennies and check my account balance before writing any cheques. But it's just the cost of living. Times change, things move on, shit happens, we all have regrets, but Robbson you aren't going to get anywhere by whinging about it. Either understand how the S1 content dates from nearly three years ago now (are there many other three year old niche sim titles with modern-day sequels that still have an active online community?) and that the twelve quid upgrade really is neither here or there compared to the general costs of living, socialising, or even computing; or open your wallet.
Yes, that's exactly what it's about, things you don't (want to) understand.
OK OK OK OK OK
STOP THIS NOW!
I knew that a thread like this with a discussion to the payment policy is like running against a wall... But I've read a lot of interesting things, arguments and other *** stuff... thanks for all this time.
You have targeted a hidden goal with this discussion, aren't you? Who is paying you for this?
Because now I have a motivation for buying a S2 license... I want to drive against all these word fighters here... You can fight with words but how good you are on the road?
Say goodbye to your best track times, I will beat them! :smash3d:
BUT....... there's still the sound issue left, maybe I will open another thread for this later... Perhaps there is a way to get off this reverb effect from the engine sound... I hate it.
I can't drive with this engine sound... please create a switch to turn the engine reverb off... It sucks.... I hate it.... Did I already say that I hate it?
See you on track next month...
Thx,
Robbson.
STOP THIS NOW!
I knew that a thread like this with a discussion to the payment policy is like running against a wall... But I've read a lot of interesting things, arguments and other *** stuff... thanks for all this time.
You have targeted a hidden goal with this discussion, aren't you? Who is paying you for this?
Because now I have a motivation for buying a S2 license... I want to drive against all these word fighters here... You can fight with words but how good you are on the road?
Say goodbye to your best track times, I will beat them! :smash3d:
BUT....... there's still the sound issue left, maybe I will open another thread for this later... Perhaps there is a way to get off this reverb effect from the engine sound... I hate it.
I can't drive with this engine sound... please create a switch to turn the engine reverb off... It sucks.... I hate it.... Did I already say that I hate it?
See you on track next month...
Thx,
Robbson.
I like to think of it this way:-
I could wait until the game is finished (when S3 final is released) and then pay my £36 which is about average for a PC game.
Only with LFS, the dev team let me pay a bit every now and then and get to see pre-release versions of the game, and even take part in what amounts to the most involved testing programme for any game.
I could wait until the game is finished (when S3 final is released) and then pay my £36 which is about average for a PC game.
Only with LFS, the dev team let me pay a bit every now and then and get to see pre-release versions of the game, and even take part in what amounts to the most involved testing programme for any game.
You're right Robbson, the dev team are paying us ALL to give you the hard-sell on LFS 
Or maybe it's like this: you post on the official LFS forum with a rather spurious complaint about a problem of your own making. The locals arc up and say "actually, you have no argument" and recommend you buy one of their favourite games instead of complaining.
One of those scenarios makes sense.
Anyway, if you're buying the license, good! See you out there, and good lucking beating everyone's laptimes :up:
Thread closed, mission accomplished
[Scavier, I have done your bidding, now where's my cheque?]
Or maybe it's like this: you post on the official LFS forum with a rather spurious complaint about a problem of your own making. The locals arc up and say "actually, you have no argument" and recommend you buy one of their favourite games instead of complaining.
One of those scenarios makes sense.
Anyway, if you're buying the license, good! See you out there, and good lucking beating everyone's laptimes :up:
Thread closed, mission accomplished
[Scavier, I have done your bidding, now where's my cheque?]
Check your sound card settings to make sure reverb is not enabled. My LFS sound is working fine and the only reverb sound I get is when I am travelling close to a barrier and the sound is "reflected" back.
You might also like to search for all of the previous topics about sound before drawing any immediate conclusions as to the future of sound in LFS.
best wishes.
Doesn't turning down the "Echo Volume Boost" slider in the audio options section get rid of the reverb for you ?
Thats one of the first things I do after installing LFS.
Thats one of the first things I do after installing LFS.
Yes, I've got your point but there is also a standard reverb all the time... My EAX control panel is very easy to access and I know that there's nothing wrong with it... (LFS is not the only game
but the onlye one with this problem.)I will check this out and will do some sample recordings so we can compare or it something like this.
Robbson.
It's down to 1.0 all the time... it's the lowest value there.
Robbson.
Egad, I leave work and come back to this hodgepodge?
Meh, well at least he's buying a license.
Robbson, I understood your point and was with you a for a bit until you started trolling for the sake of it... Not that it matters now.
Peace out.
oh, and FULL ACK.
Meh, well at least he's buying a license.
Robbson, I understood your point and was with you a for a bit until you started trolling for the sake of it... Not that it matters now.
Peace out.
oh, and FULL ACK.
Okay I admit I skipped quite a few long posts to get to the end of the thread, but I think the point that was majorly missed was that, where say Tristan bought and played S1 for a year before everyone upped to S2(£1/month relative value), Robbson bought S1 one month before S2 made what he believes was a surprise entry. Proportionally speaking, £12/month relative value.. considerably more playability expense than Tristan's.
Truth be known, anyone who buys S2 these days will get roughly one year of playing out of it less than me, because I've had a licence coming up a year and as soon as S3 comes out, I'll be throwing my money at Scavier and graduating to the new S3 servers, tracks and cars that come with. So will the rest of us, let's face it. So come the event, when S2 is about to be superceded with S3, there are going to be people who get proportionally less "value" for their £24 than we have, particularly since LFS is THE ONLINE racing simulator.
I do very much sympathise with Robbson. It's rotten luck. Sod's law, frankly, and in no sense is it really FAIR.. but it is what it is, and we have to live with it.
On the positive side, Robbson has reaped the benefit of S2 physics and updates since his S1 investment, so his initial £12 outlay has had SOME return long-term, but I can't imagine for a moment having LFS and being unable to find anyone online to race with. I'd be gutted.. and the more I loved LFS, the more gutted I'd be. Robbson's clearly an LFS fan, from what I can see. I like the guy. Doesn't mean we're engaged, or anything..
Robbson, please.. spend the extra £12 and come race with us. You'll feel better, and frankly so will I. You have my sympathy, now spend some money and beat our PBs.. IF you can
Truth be known, anyone who buys S2 these days will get roughly one year of playing out of it less than me, because I've had a licence coming up a year and as soon as S3 comes out, I'll be throwing my money at Scavier and graduating to the new S3 servers, tracks and cars that come with. So will the rest of us, let's face it. So come the event, when S2 is about to be superceded with S3, there are going to be people who get proportionally less "value" for their £24 than we have, particularly since LFS is THE ONLINE racing simulator.
I do very much sympathise with Robbson. It's rotten luck. Sod's law, frankly, and in no sense is it really FAIR.. but it is what it is, and we have to live with it.
On the positive side, Robbson has reaped the benefit of S2 physics and updates since his S1 investment, so his initial £12 outlay has had SOME return long-term, but I can't imagine for a moment having LFS and being unable to find anyone online to race with. I'd be gutted.. and the more I loved LFS, the more gutted I'd be. Robbson's clearly an LFS fan, from what I can see. I like the guy. Doesn't mean we're engaged, or anything..
Robbson, please.. spend the extra £12 and come race with us. You'll feel better, and frankly so will I. You have my sympathy, now spend some money and beat our PBs.. IF you can
Hmmm, a small solution I feel. What if s1 servers showed up in the s2 server listings? Im assuming s2 players can play on s1 servers. This would make s1 servers more popular, allowing s1 players to have a decent race .
I payed for s2 outright, never played s1. Does this mean Ive been ripped off more then you? :X
.I payed for s2 outright, never played s1. Does this mean Ive been ripped off more then you? :X
I think that's a great solution. I do know quite a few S2 drivers who love to drive cars that just happen to BE S1 content, and would be REALLY happy to see the extra S1 drivers filling up the S1-content, S2 servers.
Wow I still got the feeling that you made yourself a lot of real big friends in the community with all your absolute fantastic "non-troll-like" arguments in this thread.
Now every 1 is happy that such a fantastic guy like you is buying an S2 license and they all can't wait to see your phenomenal driving.
We all waited for so long just for a guy like you who opend our eyes and showed us how expensive LFS is and whats wrong with us blind sheeps following scavier and their subtle marketing tricks.
illepall.
@ BBO@BSR
Was that helpful? Constructive? Positive? No
Someone who was unhappy is now happier, and this makes you unhappy?
Was that helpful? Constructive? Positive? No
Someone who was unhappy is now happier, and this makes you unhappy?
Wo said posts have to be positive and that I have to like everyone?
It's just my opinion about some of what he wrotes and answered in this thread
(maybe read all the posts in here)
For me it's like he tries to blame someone else for things he couldn't get.
He couldn't drive S1 for long that's bad luck ok but that's life.
I can't count the games I can't play online because no one else plays them or the companies shut the servers down. That's just normal and is not a special fancy by the LFS devs.
I would say:
If you don't like what you get, don't buy it and try to find something better. But I don't think you can find something better then LFS today.
Eventhough this "issue" seems to be solved already I still want to point out something..
The problem is that you can't really buy "online content" (online experience). Online experince is very, very much dependent on the people who play the game and not the the game itself. And you can't count on the fact that when you buy a game that your online experience would live up to your expectations.
When you buy a game you buy it's contents, more spesifically a right to use it's contents. You don't actually own anything in the game. But anyway, the content includes online capabilities, but not online experience. They even say on most if not all game packages that "online experience may vary" because no-one can quarantee the quality of it. So in a way you always pay for "offline content" = game content.
The problem is that you can't really buy "online content" (online experience). Online experince is very, very much dependent on the people who play the game and not the the game itself. And you can't count on the fact that when you buy a game that your online experience would live up to your expectations.
When you buy a game you buy it's contents, more spesifically a right to use it's contents. You don't actually own anything in the game. But anyway, the content includes online capabilities, but not online experience. They even say on most if not all game packages that "online experience may vary" because no-one can quarantee the quality of it. So in a way you always pay for "offline content" = game content.
While applying logic and common sense, Brother Glade, you are of course entirely correct in what you say. But this is LFS, and we all know what makes LFS what it is.. the community of LFSers, and the races we have.
Or put another way, you don't buy a network card for its diodes and capacitors.. you're not expected to sit and gaze at the wonders of its PCB. You buy a network card for what it enables you to do. And if, after a month, it stops working.. you're not left smiling.
Do you say to yourself.. "oh well, at least I can look at the diodes and capacitors and stuff. That's the stuff I bought, after all. The product itself."
Or put another way, you don't buy a network card for its diodes and capacitors.. you're not expected to sit and gaze at the wonders of its PCB. You buy a network card for what it enables you to do. And if, after a month, it stops working.. you're not left smiling.
Do you say to yourself.. "oh well, at least I can look at the diodes and capacitors and stuff. That's the stuff I bought, after all. The product itself."
Your comparison is flawed. It's more like he was downloading pr0n with Kazaa and then bittorrent came along and everybody else moved on to it. But he didn't and still uses perfectly functioning kazaa (
) but can't find anyone to download pr0n from because they are using bittorrent to share and download pr0n among themselves.If he'd PAID for Kazza, no matter what content he wanted to download, if it wasn't there, then its lost money.
The argument isn't flawed.
The argument isn't flawed.
That's not the same thing. When he bought S1 and then S2 came along it didn't brake S1 in any way. It still works as it was intended to. The community just moved on to S2. S1 stayed as it was.
My point is that the manufacturer of the product cannot quarantee something that they can't have complete control over of. When you buy a network card you can't blame it on the manufacturer if your local network is slow or down. Or a better example would be if you'd bought a 10mbps card back in the day and then 100mbps cards came along and you couldn't utilise the higher speed available with your card let's say in some LAN event for example.
Same applies to LFS. Scawen, Eric and Victor cannot quarantee online experience because it's not solely up to them to provide it. People, community, makes online experience what it is. And if/when they move on to something newer/better and you get left behind you can't really blame it on anyone. It just happens.
You said it yourself:
My point is that the manufacturer of the product cannot quarantee something that they can't have complete control over of. When you buy a network card you can't blame it on the manufacturer if your local network is slow or down. Or a better example would be if you'd bought a 10mbps card back in the day and then 100mbps cards came along and you couldn't utilise the higher speed available with your card let's say in some LAN event for example.
Same applies to LFS. Scawen, Eric and Victor cannot quarantee online experience because it's not solely up to them to provide it. People, community, makes online experience what it is. And if/when they move on to something newer/better and you get left behind you can't really blame it on anyone. It just happens.
You said it yourself:
S1 license is worthless for me and new players! :-(
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