I love how FOM decide to release that information now (and add subtitles for added 'rubbing-it-in-ness'), but then not release the radio transmissions between Button and his engineer just to fuel the flames.
The next question is: Did Jenson get told not to overtake, or simply to save fuel? If he was just told to save fuel, then why shouldn't he overtake Lewis if he's quicker? But I have to commend Lewis for his fightback - good stuff from two of the best overtakers in the business (even if I think some of Lewis' passes that have been praised as legendary weren't all that spectacular; e.g. against crippled cars or whatnot).
I don't think anyone is questioning Button's behaviour. He did what any racing driver would do, but the video clearly demonstrates why Hamilton was so subdued after the race. Interestingly FOM haven't released any transmissions from Button. i don't think Button was told to hold station because he seemed pretty comfortable with the team after the race. If he had ignored team orders the reception would have been much more frosty.
Also hamilton's overtake on Button was not clean in the slightest. That was do or die move and he didn't care if it ended in tears. He actually punted Button out of the way!
Sorry but I find it hard to show respect for someone who adresses people in a smug, slimy way with an overbearing sense of self righteousness.
By the way, you should never take everything about racing (or anything else for that matter) from one person.
I just don't understand it, Jenson is ahead in the sodding world championship, yet everybody is acting as if Hamilton deserves to be handed his first position. Also, put enough bloody fuel in the car to finish the race without having to back off, so what if the car is slightly heavier, thats not Jenson's problem! If we concentrated on the race, where the fastest man wins more often than not, then things like this wouldn't happen.
meh, like i said before, Jenson is a prick. He's not stupid, he was playing dumb and twisting words/the situation. Apparently though, thats a load of horse shit
You probrably only ever read my replies to your posts, treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.
I do not, hijack threads to pedal my own political agendas, I do not refer to the same subjects over and over again, and I do not feel the need to claim victory and pat myself on the back with ha ha ha I am the lone voice of sanity posts all the time loaded with bold writing, because we all know that is what you think of yourself. There are many things about you that cannot be said for me as well.
Oh no how dare he try to race! He shouldn't have to be playing any mind games off the track anyway, what he pulled off was fair and legal racing. I don't get whats so wrong with that? Or is he supposed to hand Hamilton the win because Hamilton is now the underdog and so the darling of the media and public?
Button is ahead in the championship! If we must have stupid team orders, then Hamilton would be letting him pass.
I really don't understand it, I really don't. Its become good to be a loser and bad to be a winner. :doh:
You're now hijacking this thread 5Haz stirring a pointless ' let's all gang up on intrepid, here we go again' argument. You're doing the same here as what you accuse me of.
Playing the victim is another one of your tactics. The second part of my post was on topic by the way, but then that wouldn't suit your point would it?
And you still haven't thought to wonder why that happens?
Don't try to make out that it is me that causes the trouble, you should read through some of the threads that you haven't posted in (if there are any).
Hamilton expecting the team to guarentee him his position is part of the problem, especially seeing as Button is ahead of him in the championship and its not Button's problem if Mclaren decide to underfuel Hamilton's car for a weight advantage.
What kind of a prima donna is an F1 driver when he expects his team to guarentee him his position without any effort put in from him? This is how far the sporting element has been drained out of F1 in my opinion.
And quite a few of those posts are on topic. If the old post count argument is the best that you can come up with, then I suggest you give up.
Why did he and Mclaren want him to back off then?
Slightly OT (Just to warn ya): I'm laughing at the F1Technical forums, the list is just full of "is xxx desperate or what", "does xxx need therapy", "xxx is overrated".
F1 has become so artificial that even a technical forum has decsended into discussions like this.
Where does Hamilton request that Button stay in second place? He asked if Button was going to pass. Basically is Button on the 'same strategy' as him so he can adjust accordingly. These are perfectly legitimate questions and actions. When the team replies that Button is 100% not a threat then you can understand why Hamilton is as baffled at Button overtaking him
Why should the team have to guarentee to Hamilton that Button will not try to race him in the first place? Hamilton has no right to be wanting that kind of reassurance from the team, and certainly no right to be upset that he actually had to race in a race, instead of asking Mclaren to cross their heart and hope to die that Button will not make a move, he should be checking his bloody mirrors and defending (obviously without crashing into his team mate however!) because thats what racing drivers are paid to do.
Button was not ordered or requested to stay away from Hamilton, but it is if he was expected to without saying not only by the team, but by 'fans' too, and thats what the problem is.
So what if the team lied to Hamilton, he should'nt have expected that kind of preferential treatment anyway, they probrably guarenteed him his safety to stop him throwing a hissy fit.
This may seem hypocritical in light of what I said earlier about armchair F1 driver psycology, but these things are blatantly obvious, not conclusions jumped to from minor words or actions, Hamilton's attitude in this case is clear to see.
But apparently that makes Button a prick, see there is quite a gap between common sense and common opinion at the moment.
The whole thing is made worse by Button leading Hamilton in the championship, I don't see why Button should be expected to surrender his championship challenge just so golden bollocks Hamilton can feel good about himself.
He has every right to ask the team, who have all the relevant data, whether Button is a threat if he backs off. There is absolutely no issue with a driver asking if his position was at risk. The team replied with a 100% no.
Its common sense that if you back off in a race the competitors behind you will become a threat, although saying that quite a few seemed to have forgotten the concept of how a race works. :doh:
To me it seemed like Hamilton wanted the team to promise him an easy ride, surely Hamilton is not that stupid that he thinks that backing off wont allow rivals to close in on him?
they are teammates after all, and it isn't uncommon for the teams to tell their drivers to "hold position". But obviously Button didn't understand (or pretend to didn't understand, in which case good on him for giving us brilliant television~!) the coded message to "save fuel"...
Its very easy to call someone a prick without thinking and pass it off as an opinion, then of course nobody is allowed to touch it because its an 'opinion'.
That is no excuse, unless I'm missing something, did his dad used to tell him how to drive over the team radio? Hes a grown man now and I think he can manage without his daddy.
Just because team orders are not uncommon, dosen't make them a good thing. I don't understand the logic anyway, you'd think that the team mate with the championship advantage would gain from orders, but then Hamilton is clearly still golden boy at Mclaren.
And if Button did deliberately ignore orders then good on him for sticking two fingers up to that kind of rubbish, hes doing his job properly.
