im not really a fan of marijuana.... i might take the occasional puff at a party but i dont care if its legalised or not since more than half of my school is full of potheads who already are high even if its illegal so yeah.... canada would become a not so very productive country if is legalised...

remember don't drink and drive, smoke and fly.

May I ask what the problem folks would have with allowing legal marijuana to be smoked and driving a car? If you take the thousands of people every day who are drunk behind the wheel and force them to smoke and drive instead, all the deadly car crashes would turn into mild 3 mph fenderbenders...

I think to get a driver's license, you should be FORCED to drive while under the influence of marijuana. No more road rage, no more high speed crashes. Everyone would be giving the "don't care" attitude and no one would drive over about 5 mph.

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I think to get a driver's license, you should be FORCED to drive while under the influence of marijuana. No more road rage, no more high speed crashes. Everyone would be giving the "don't care" attitude and no one would drive over about 5 mph.

Having driven with people under the influence of marijuana, i really do not want stoned people driving. Its quite easy to have a lapse in judgement / concentration and the next thing you know, you're suddenly fused into the car infront of you.

pro's

1. it will stimulate the economy from the money flowing around, and the taxes on it.
2. it makes a good pain killer, and it makes everyone happy
3. the plant is VERY useful
4. it will end alot of drug wars.
5. it will be easy to get, and harder to become a criminal.

con's

1. it will make people want to move onto chronic, which has cocaine in it, and eventually harder drugs, that are bad for you.
2. it does cause cancer, just not as bad as tobacco.
3. you do get sloppier at whatever you are doing.
4. hard to control how out of it people can get, and what is a safe amount to do.
5. i have witnessed people get alot dumber from smoking on a regular basis, so it does have some effect

i am pretty neutral...sure it will bring alot of good, but alot of bad may also come. if it is handled correctly i think why not. if it is handled badly by everyone, then absolutely not, we will just cause problems later on.

Yes it should..............eh wait.

Its illegal for a reason. What, people are trying to say because of its pros and being in the right hands that its OK? For medicinal uses? Yes that's clearly correct..

..but what about the high amount of people who abuse it..? Driving while high, coming into work high, doing things high etc..

So it should be legal because some people wont abuse it? Crime will increase, death rates will increase, everything will for the rest of people who abuse it. What about their lives? What, their choice?

Medicinal is fine, some doctors prescribe it..some people actually need it, but that's it.

Lets legalise cocaine and speed because they have pro's too. OH and lets not forget steroids because there are a shit load of pro's there. Guns should be completely legal without a licence etc because theres pro's there too and being in the right hands, it should be. Surely ill get flamed and hated for saying this, but cant help but think.. ...i thought this community was smarter than this...

So stupid..

It's no problem here in holland and it is legal.

Quote from G!NhO :

It's no problem here in holland and it is legal.

Well that's fair enough. In Australia, it would be a probelm. Im sure in other countries it would be too.

Legalize it, tax it, end the drug war.

It's absolutely absurd that alcohol is legal and pot isn't.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Legalize it, tax it, end the drug war.

It's absolutely absurd that alcohol is legal and pot isn't.

True. It's outrageous and display of double standards that it can be like that. Ban alcohol!

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Its illegal for a reason. What, people are trying to say because of its pros and being in the right hands that its OK? For medicinal uses? Yes that's clearly correct..

..but what about the high amount of people who abuse it..? Driving while high, coming into work high, doing things high etc..

So it should be legal because some people wont abuse it? Crime will increase, death rates will increase, everything will for the rest of people who abuse it. What about their lives? What, their choice?

Medicinal is fine, some doctors prescribe it..some people actually need it, but that's it.

Lets legalise cocaine and speed because they have pro's too. OH and lets not forget steroids because there are a shit load of pro's there. Guns should be completely legal without a licence etc because theres pro's there too and being in the right hands, it should be. Surely ill get flamed and hated for saying this, but cant help but think.. ...i thought this community was smarter than this...

So stupid..

Finally a sane person. I had already given up hope.

I agree that Marijuana isn't more dangerous than alcohol and tobacco but have a different solution: Make alcohol and tobacco illegal rather than making Marijuana legal.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Legalize it, tax it, end the drug war.

It's absolutely absurd that alcohol is legal and pot isn't.

It wouldn't really end the drug war since it's just one of many illegal drugs. But it would keep a lot of people away from the kind of dealers that are selling more than just "that".


Within controlled condidtions, it would become even less dangerous (again), because some stuff contains a ridiculously high amount of THC, due to excessive crossbreeding and genetic manipulation for instance. The use of toxic fertilizer and eking all kind of stuff into it, in order to make it more heavy/ get more profit from it, is another reason for me to say that it should be considered as a dangerous drug.

But the plant itself, as it has grown for a very, very long time, isn't dangerous at all, at least not if you know how to make use of it, just like with (almost) any other (legal) substance.

It has become illegal at a time when nobody really understood how it actually works inside an organism and now (imo), it stays illegal because the pharma industry won't make as much profit this way, because the (mostly) synthetic drugs (or so called "medicine"), are cheaper and much easier to produce, are sometimes far more addictive, less effective and leading to far more side effects, which can/ must be counteracted with even more drugs...or medicine.

Some stuff I'm not quite sure about is:

1. Would the legal stuff be cheaper?
2. Would this be a reason, for the majority, to buy this stuff, rather than sticking to the stuff they are already used to?
3. What about the harder, illegal stuff? It wouldn't just vanish right?
4. Would the legal status alter the quality of the illegal stuff?
5. et cetera...

Quote from zeugnimod :

Make alcohol and tobacco illegal rather than making Marijuana legal.

I can't even begin to contemplate the result of that.

Quote from JJ72 :

I can't even begin to contemplate the result of that.

No shit.


Alcohol is a drug.
You make it illegal, and everyone that gets drunk on weekends are going to go and source other things to get them ****ed up and intoxicated...

It would not go down well.

There's a solution to that as well: Stop the production of alcohol and tobacco.

Ok, I stop.

How is that a solution?

My point being is if you take away the only drug thats legal, people are going to turn to (other) illegal things to get intoxicated. And i don't know about you, but as much as i hate drunks, i'd rather be started on by an angry drunk looking for a fight instead of an angry meth-head.

Quote from JJ72 :

I can't even begin to contemplate the result of that.

Well, prohibition of alcohol in the US gave organised crime a massive boost as they controlled the supply of alcohol and had a captive market. Al Capone (and others like him) would not have become anywhere near as powerful as they did if alcohol was not prohibited. Prohibiting something people want doesn't stop them trying to get it, it just creates criminal industry and takes regulatory control of the product away from the Government.

Quote from zeugnimod :

There's a solution to that as well: Stop the production of alcohol and tobacco.

Ok, I stop.

Homebrew Beer to the rescue!!!

Quote from amp88 :

...where to start with this tripe. You say it's "safe to assume drugs are bad". Urgh. What drugs are we talking about here? Acetylsalicylic acid? Sounds really bad, doesn't it? "Oh, it's acid so it must be bad? It'll rot your brain". Well, that's Aspirin. I assume you mean that drugs which the UK government classes as illegal (e.g. Marijuana, Cocaine, Heroin, Ecstasy) are all bad for you and are crutches? Well, what makes those drugs more harmful than the drugs that society deems it's OK we indulge in (e.g. caffeine, nicotine, refined sugar, aspirin, codeine)? Do you think it's acceptable to take drugs as long as they're legal? Would it surprise you to learn that heroin was legally available in the UK in the past? Was it acceptable then? What would you say to the thousands of people across the UK who rely on manufactured drugs every day for pain relief? Is morphine or marijuana wrong for terminally ill cancer patients? Is it a crutch? Also, it's funny you think the human body can run itself without added substances. You don't eat or drink?

By drugs I mean recreational drugs, and who said caffiene or alcohol can't be just as harmful? I don't remember saying its ok so long as they're legal but then I suppose you think its ok to put words into my mouth to suit your argument.

If you read you would notice I said the healthy human body, of course ill people need drugs, you obviously missed that before you went off on your little rant.

By added substances I mean things the body dosen't need, why don't you pack in being so pedantic? If recreational drugs aren't used as a psycological crutch, then why don't you tell me what they're used for then? So people use them to have a good time? Why, can't you not have a good time without them?

All in all, you should just cut down on things you'r body dosen't need. Oh and cut down on jumping to conclusions like some pissy women.

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So people use them to have a good time? Why, can't you not have a good time without them?

Do you drink?

Its the exact same reason.

Quote from 5haz :

By drugs I mean recreational drugs, and who said caffiene or alcohol can't be just as harmful, I don't remember saying its ok so long as they're legal but then I suppose you think its ok to put words into my mouth to suit your argument.

That was clearly the point of my post. There's so much mis-education in the public's mind about drugs (recreational and otherwise). You should be more clear in what you say if you don't want it to be interpreted as I did.

Quote from 5haz :

By added substances I mean things the body dosen't need, why don't you pack in being so pedantic? If recreational drugs aren't used as a psycological crutch, then why don't you tell me what they're used for then? So people use them to have a good time? Why, can't you not have a good time without them?

Marijuana can stimulate different responses from the body. 3 of them are increased feeling of happiness, increased state of relaxation and deeper appreciation of music. They're subjective, of course, but ask most people who use marijuana and they'll probably have experienced those 3 responses. Sure, you can be happy, relaxed and appreciate music without being stoned, but the feelings can be accentuated by marijuana. I'm not saying some people don't abuse marijuana (just as people abuse alcohol). People who often drink alone or who would smoke alone every day may have psychological problems they are trying to overcome in the short term, but I don't think they typify the average marijuana or alcohol user. Should we ban alcohol because some people become alcoholics? Should we ban axes because some people decide to become axe-murderers?

If we all experienced life providing the body with merely what it needed to survive (i.e. basic food, water and some exercise) would we lead as full a life as if we regularly enjoyed meals in restaurants and a good wine? I don't think we would and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that. Sometimes what makes life worth living is not what we need but what we want.

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Do you drink?

Its the exact same reason.

Yes I do, but I don't feel like I need to get pissed to have a good time. I'm not talking about going cold turkey, just its a good idea to fill your body up with as little unecessary crap as possible and never become reliant on it unless you absolutely have to through illness.

Lets not fly into rants when we get confronted with opinions different to ours.

Quote from amp88 :

That was clearly the point of my post. There's so much mis-education in the public's mind about drugs (recreational and otherwise). You should be more clear in what you say if you don't want it to be interpreted as I did.



Marijuana can produce stimulate different responses from the body. 3 of them are increased feeling of happiness, increased state of relaxation and deeper appreciation of music. They're subjective, of course, but ask most people who use marijuana and they'll probably have experienced those 3 responses. Sure, you can be happy, relaxed and appreciate music without being stoned, but the feelings can be accentuated by marijuana. I'm not saying some people don't abuse marijuana (just as people abuse alcohol). People who often drink alone or who would smoke alone every day may have psychological problems they are trying to overcome in the short term, but I don't think they typify the average marijuana or alcohol user. Should we ban alcohol because some people become alcoholics? Should we ban axes because some people decide to become axe-murderers?

If we all experienced life providing the body with merely what it needed to survive (i.e. basic food, water and some exercise) would we lead as full a life as if we regularly enjoyed meals in restaurants and a good wine? I don't think we would and I'm pretty sure you'd agree with that. Sometimes what makes life worth living is not what we need but what we want.

Eating good meals is a bit different to taking drugs. I'm not for banning drugs, just that people need to realise they have harmful side effects and that it isn't all fun and games. And that with some recreational drugs, the side effects outweigh the benefits and so its best to keep away. Banning isn't the answer, people need to be convinced to add up the risks and benefits and come to a conclusion themselves. If people want to be idiots and break themselves then fine, so long as you don't mind your NHS having to fix them at your expense.

Yeah so there are considerable benefits to getting high, but people will be wondering years down the line if it was really worth it when their lungs are shot (seeing as most people smoke marijuana).

I could actually not care less about drugs being legalised.

Quote from 5haz :

Yes I do, but I don't feel like I need to get pissed to have a good time. .

Its exactly the same thing.
A few drinks helps you relax and enjoy yourself.
Drug users don't need them to have a good time either, but it just makes the night a bit more enjoyable (The same reason people drink alcohol)

The only difference is one intoxicant is legal and the other isn't.