I drink alcohol, I don't use it as liquid courage. And I undesratnd the risks and the affects abuse has on others, including people I don't even know or ever see.
Ok then...
-Cannabis can cause respiratory problems (although there is no solid link with cancer to be fair, and also depending on the way its taken).
-Cannabis has been linked to anxiety, psychosis and depression.
-There is also edvidence to suggest it increases the risk of pschotic disorders.
Personally I don't buy the gateway drug theory.
God knows what the safe limit is, the problem is that the long term effects are currently unclear.
You wan't a denfition of ignorant, ignorant is the kind of person who goes out and gets pissed or uses often, and forgets that others have to put up with their behavior changes, clean up their vomit, or carry out or fund their medical care for when it catches up with them. Thats ignorant.
I don't know how the fact that someneed alcohol to feel relaxed is a logical fallacy, but I suppose throwing the term logical fallacy around out if context makes you sound more intelligent and intellectual. There are alcoholics out there, alcohol addiciton is a reality, not the result of overhyped government propaganda.
And apart from 'its not a harmful as alcohol or heroin so that makes it ok', what is your argument?
I agree that cannabis is one of the less dangerous of the 'famous' recreational drugs, but jumping off the roof of your house is arguably less dangerous than setting yourself on fire, but you still don't try it do you?
You need to realise that I'm not particularly against the legalisation of marijuana as it also causes its own problems, just that people need to apply common sense when they consider using it, or any other recreational drug. People should have the freedom of choice so long as they think, but people don't think.
You aren't cynacle enough. Resin is often bulked out to add more weight to it. As for mixing in class A, yes i've known a dealer to do that. The basic presmise is sound, many of his customers knew only him as their dealer and he wanted them hooked and dependant upon him. I don't know how sucessful he was as I try not to know people like that for long. But if you think cynically and criminally enough there's all manner of reasons not to sell cannabis pure. Do you honestly believe that every Henry is sold pure? Just how honest do you think people are? You need to spend a little while living as a backstabbing careless bastard to get an idea of what life is really like. You're too nice and trusting.
I didn't say you did. I said it was hypocritical of you to call people who smoke marijuana "irresponsible idiots" got smoking marijuana which, according to you, breaks your insides but you drink. I know you drink regularly because when asked the question "Do you drink?" you replied with "Yes I do". You didn't reply with "Yes, I have had a drink in the past". If you did it regularly you must feel it has some benefits (at least enough to outweigh the well-known side effects of drinking alcohol).
Agreed on the whole, though these haven't all been conclusively proven (as your wording acknowledges).
If you don't know the safe limit (and I think the question was a trick question because I don't think anyone could claim to have a justifiable answer to that question) then how can you insult people by saying they're too "thick" to know where their own safe limit is? Smacks of ignorance IMO.
I would call that behaviour selfish, self-centred, narcissistic etc. You could say it's ignorant for them not to know the work they make for the people around them but it's not a very strong definition IMO. It's also not what you said in this post.
You didn't say it about some people, you said it specifically about Klutch.
I've clearly outlined my thinking in the OP of this thread and in a few other posts.
huh? the only use for resin is for smoking ash when you run out of real weed.
unless you're talking about making hash, but the only good way of making it is to sift through pounds of "garbage". if it gets "bulked out" with anything, it's bits of plant matter that made it's way through the sifter.
making honey oil is a pointless activity and is actually fairly dangerous, regardless of whether you use the acetone process or the butane process. the end result is usually crap.
Its has benefits in relatively small amounts, but what are the benefits of feeling dizzy, sick and having a huge headache and memory loss the morning after?
If you don't know where the safe limit is then the smart thing to do is to just not go there.
And you need to stop thinking the whole world is full of pimps and drug dealers who try making money by getting the average weed smoker hooked on heroin by lacing pot with silver polish.
Let's go to the most extreme example: Soap Bar. Notice Ketamin on the list of substances that are often added.
This is part cultural and part historical, for a long time hash was more popular than grass in the UK. I understand that skunk is now the predominant cannabis on the market here, but it wasn't always like that.
As for what the current stuff is like, i've no idea. I stopped taking recreational drugs a long time ago - although it's quite possible i'm still stoned from the sheer quantity I took back in the day.
Where did I say it did? Where did I advocate excess alcohol consumption in this thread?
Well, the fact that marijuana has been smoked by humans for millenia leads me to think it's not some killer drug that's gonna drive people insane the first time they try it. The fact that no-one has died from a marijuana overdose and that most studies into its effects which conclude there may be links to severe side effects are related to chronic (chronic as in long-term) heavy usage rather than casual usage suggest to me that the danger is not that large. I am able to make an informed decision.
It's difficult to pick out when you're intentionally insulting people/groups of people and when you're doing it by accident.
I don't understand why you seem to think the rest of us on the forum are:
1.alcoholics
2.junkies
3.unable of thought
I mean, who are you to tell we are not thinking? Are you under any illusion that you are the only one who know what's best for us? Hello? I think you should lay off the internet because I know internet addiction is a reality as well. And it clearly handicaps your ability to understand simple logic.
having a few drinks won't lead to dizziness, sickness and headaches, not unless you are a pussy.
I would much rather more hope alcohol to be made illegal to be honest. If someone wants to smoke and possibly get lung cancer in the long run, I don't care as long as they don't smoke in the same environment as I am in, but alcohol consumers are disgusting because they do not think or act rationally once they are drunk.
There are much more fun things in life than to get your head messed up with any kind of drugs though, it's a shame people just don't realize it.
marijuana is not more harmful than for example alcohol. both when using too much is addictive and damage body and can lead to death.
the truth is, much more people die of alcohol than marijuana.
but still i'm not sure about legalising...besides, the ones who want to use it will is use it wether its legalised or not. i'm for decriminalising it, not legalising - so people who get caught won't go to prison just for one cigarrete...
I thought the main reason why legalisation efforts in the Netherlands have been stopped is that there is much pressure from countries with a stricter policies (USA, France).
One of the problems with the current situation is that demand is greater than supply (at least, legal supply). Demand is extra high because of "drug tourism" from neighbouring countries. That causes high prices, and a lure to set up large-scale production, which is illegal and requires extra policing. Legalisation could solve that. Prices would drop, and the openness would allow shopkeepers and consumers to check the quality of what they buy.
But I expect that legalisation won't happen unless the largest countries in the EU go along.
The same can be said about parachute jumping, for instance. It has its risks, and it doesn't benefit your health in any way. But for some people the thrills outweigh the risks. The real question is: Do you trust people enough to make the choice for themselves, or not?
There's been some suggestion in this thread that alchohol is really bad and should be made illegal. There isn't really a sound medical argument against that - but there is a social one.
Doesn't anyone remember prohibition in America? In the end the American government gave up and legalised alchohol because that was the lesser of the two evils.
I think marihuana and tobacco should be switched. Marihauna not sold to underages, regulations about where you can smoke it and so on. And then tobacco completely ilegal.
hmm....what about this...nobody ahs thought of this.
in my state it is de-criminalized if it is under 1 oz which is ALOT.
so they are basically going after the dealers only, right?
if they do legalize it, then who would sell it? would pharmacies? would you still have to go to your local dealer? the dealers rarely put nothing extra into that stuff, so it instantly becomes illegal again.
Hey, centre of the universe boy - I have read the thread, and there's more than one person who has suggested it - either sincerely or as a point of reference to mock the illigality of cannabis, which incidentally, if you read my post and understand it you'll see i'm making a clear point - just what are you trying to say or are you hung up on just attacking me for the sake of it?
Apparently Marlboro already has the name 'Marlies' trademarked Could be an urban myth tbh i've not googled it, but I would think BAT and Imperial Tobacco would both be keen to get products on the shelves, amongst others... Possibly even some pre-rolled ones, just to broaden the appeal.
to add to some of the pro's, the hemp plant is the only plant that every aspect of it cn be used in some way, useful in some, useless in others....bracelets have little use