Quote from PMD9409 :

They run the same engines (Roush/Yates FR9), therefore for their superspeedway package there isn't a problem taking Ambrose instead of championship contenders (Edwards/Kenseth) or Biffle. No different than if Hendrick took Newman along with Jr, after all they are taking Aric which is no different of situation.

Basically:
Q: Am I hearing that right?
A: No.

If you want a breakdown of who runs what equipment I'm sure we could all figure that out tomorrow. I'm in bed now, gotta be up in less than 5 hours.

so is Ragan staying with Roush? or is he going to swap to Petty? Basically Petty,Roush,and the Woodbrothers are all "allied" quite clearly through motors and Trevor Bayne which is a Roush NW driver (and Ricky who also replaced him at Charlotte)

Quote from Mustangman759 :

so is Ragan staying with Roush? or is he going to swap to Petty? Basically Petty,Roush,and the Woodbrothers are all "allied" quite clearly through motors and Trevor Bayne which is a Roush NW driver (and Ricky who also replaced him at Charlotte)

Completely unknown. Personally, Ragan and Stenhouse will most likely switch. Bayne will stay in the same position he is now IMO. Ambrose won't go to Roush, why would Jack put Ambrose ahead of Stenhouse? And AJ won't go anywhere.

This is of course pending Roush gets sponsorship. It's crazy that he use to have 5 teams and was disappointed when it was limited to 4, now he is having problems fielding 3 cars with sponsors..

I just hope Reuti gets a ride, he deserves it personally. Biased I guess because he lived here and my dad built their motors.I

I agree, both the Davids should get a ride, Reuti in the Cup and David atleast in NW, Vickers is a moron and can go f*ck himself. He has proved he is only good at intentionally wrecking. But IMHO Waltrip threw David under the bus just to get Mark.
Who knows maybe Tony Stewart will hire him to fill in in the #10 car. He beats Danica's "skills" any day.

Those DP cars do look alot better than before. I like it

Quote from PMD9409 :

Completely unknown. Personally, Ragan and Stenhouse will most likely switch. Bayne will stay in the same position he is now IMO. Ambrose won't go to Roush, why would Jack put Ambrose ahead of Stenhouse? And AJ won't go anywhere.

This is of course pending Roush gets sponsorship. It's crazy that he use to have 5 teams and was disappointed when it was limited to 4, now he is having problems fielding 3 cars with sponsors..

I just hope Reuti gets a ride, he deserves it personally. Biased I guess because he lived here and my dad built their motors.I

From what I'm hearing it's due to sponsership not driving ability(even though question probably should be asked about that) Ambrose has quite a bit of sponsership through Stanley and results wise anyway is better then ragan this year so who knows?

Not sure if Stanley is more connected to the number 9 then Ambrose though, but they have been involved in a high amount of endorsements together.

Results of today's testing session

About what expected. Should be exciting to see. I do expect alot more changes for the 500 than what there was at 'Dega. NASCAR's got this one right for once. Attempting to get rid of it is a plus.

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Results of today's testing session

About what expected. Should be exciting to see. I do expect alot more changes for the 500 than what there was at 'Dega. NASCAR's got this one right for once. Attempting to get rid of it is a plus.

Eh. Haven't they said this before? "Drivers will have to swap more often" and then they still push for 50 laps at a time. I hope its better when they get to Daytona, but its too bad they can't totally get rid of the tandem drafting. I think the only real solution is different bumpers for plate tracks, its just too easy to push each other with bumpers that line up that well.

Or they just bring back the wickerbill.

Who is wickerbill?

Quote from UncleBenny :

Eh. Haven't they said this before? "Drivers will have to swap more often" and then they still push for 50 laps at a time. I hope its better when they get to Daytona, but its too bad they can't totally get rid of the tandem drafting. I think the only real solution is different bumpers for plate tracks, its just too easy to push each other with bumpers that line up that well.

What what I understand they will not have to swap any more often. Sounds like they are just going to change the aero-package so that it is less of an advantage than what it currently is over pack racing. That's the part that I liked.

Championship Scenarios
Wouldn't it be cool to see Edwards and Stewart fighting for the win and the championship on Sunday?

With as good as Edwards has been at Homestead the past couple years, Tony might HAVE to win on Sunday.

That's been his goal all along.

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Nemechek runs 203mph at Daytona test....alone: #87-Joe Nemechek, a driver/car owner, reached 203 mph without a drafting partner during Tuesday's test session at Daytona International Speedway. The day was supposed to belong to NASCAR as it tested various setups in an effort to break up the two-car tandem draft. But instead, Nemechek was the talk of the garage and what it might mean for qualifying if Tuesday's changes are implemented for the Feb. 26 Daytona 500. "We were changing the restrictor plates and all kinds of stuff," Nemechek said. "I mean, (the speed is) just the product of putting more horsepower to the back tires. I think we're going to be quite a bit faster when we come back here for qualifying day. It's going to be interesting. All the teams are going to have to do some more homework." Nemechek was testing with Triad Engine Development, a North Carolina-based company. "We were using a 1 1/16-inch plate and a 3-inch radius spoiler," Triad Racing Development head engine builder Jon Dysinger said. "This was better than we expected."(Daytona Beach News Journal)(11-16-2011)

That's pretty dang fast.

That was something that I didn't understand.. they are going to run different car set-ups for qualifying so that it is up to speed?

Car possibly has less drag with that 3in spoiler, which would diminish the 2 car tandem for a small bit.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Car possibly has less drag with that 3in spoiler, which would diminish the 2 car tandem for a small bit.

Of course that would be a step in the right direction Speeds seem a little high for safety though I'm sure they'll up the restriction from the run.

They will most likely try to slow it down using restrictors, while lowering the amount of drag to keep the tandems to a minimum. How it will work, no one really knows until tested.

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It works as in it leads to people wrecking others on track on purpose. If that is what you want to see then sure it works because taking that approach surely does not make that stuff happen any less. But I'm sure the purposeful wrecking is one of the reasons why nascar actually lets it happen too. It adds drama, it adds some simple brawl aspects to the show that keeps the wwe fans interested and it keeps nascar in headlines.

Just throw some random penalty out there when a less popular driver does something that is deemed bad for the nascar image. Or heaven forbid someone says the f-word! Wrecking others at 200mph is fine but say some naughty words and the hands off approach changes to hands in your throat approach quicker than your front bumper finds the rear bumper of most wanted driver.

If nascar's approach actually worked I doubt kyle would get dozen probations every season.

It's not really odd that if the sanctioning body decides to do nothing then the drivers will take justice in their own hands and do the penalizing themselves. I just think it is just plain hilarious how bad job nascar is doing with policing that. Penalize kyle, do not penalize vickers for the exact same thing. It is just awkwardly bad and for me it just really hard to take it seriously when acting like pissed 6 year olds is the norm and the sanctioning body does its best to make the 6 year olds get pissed as often as possible.

Anyways, that's just my take on it.

I agree with you 100%. The annoying thing with anything broadcasted on the US it can be INSANELY fake (wrestling) or controlled ('debris cautions') and INSANELY plastic interms of interviewing and the drivers response, and the re-actiong to being wrecked, the majority infact ALL Americans know this. They know that the drivers play on the 'wreck for wreck' mentality, they know that but they still enjoy NASCAR.

To be honest, if someone wrecks someone intentionally, they should be put out for life, or suspended. We've seen motorsport is not an invinsible sport like playing chess, but people can die. I too myself find it very hard to take NASCAR seriously, it's only a few wrecks short of being a demolition derby.

The driver that wins generally is someone who just didn't tangle with anyone, and you notice most times the winner is normally a guy that doesn't have beef with anyone or at least, didn't in the race that they won.

It's pathetic, it's almost like NASCAR pay drivers to make revenge wrecks, I mean, why wreck a guy 2 races after he wrecked you? Does that mean that Vickers went into the last race purely with the mentality he was gonna wreck Kenseth? It's retarded. Winning is more of an ego boost than wrecking a guy that wrecked you..

It pisses me off really, because NASCAR could be the PINNICLE of oval motorsport, but it really isn't because of this un-professional WWF style contact.

I really like the nascar broadcasts tbh. I like how they explain the technical stuff and actually have that dude there ready to jump in and explain some of the setup things and also show us the actual bits of the cars with the real car sitting there! That is just so cool imho! I also like how they on every pitstop tell who is getting what (tires, fuel, adjustments). I think they do lots of things right and compared to an average f1 broadcast there is a lot of useful information flying around.

The fake commercial side is just the sponsors sucking every second of publicity out of the broadcasts and I don't really mind those because I don't watch the interviews and pre- nor post-race stuff. That being said I don't really like how I'm getting the feeling that every time a driver opens his mouth all he has to say is thank his sponsors while trying to sell me something. Dodge this, viagra that, use this to have a nice hard on, thanks for listening! Then show 2 minute still shot showing the coke bottle the driver is holding upside down and then spend the next 5 minutes mentioning the word coke in every possible occasion...

I only download and watch the races on next day (without the commercials so I don't really have any problems with the constant commercials). I do think the nascar broadcasts are really really good. Sure they sugar coat things more than on this side of the pond and generally they go the extra 1000 miles to make sure the things said in the broadcasts are suitable for all persons of all ages. At times I get the feeling that they are treating me the viewer as a child and are actually trying to protect us from something bad...

My only complaint is about the sport itself and the intentional wrecking and hypocrite way purposeful wrecking is - those are the things that almost ruin it for me. I'm more fan of a sport than the players so for me the actual on track footage is pretty much all that matters.

the boys have it rule has taken a beating this year, im surprised they still allow it after wheldons death.

Keslowski last year hit a wall roof first after getting wrecked by Edwards from a previous race issue, i believe if that had of happened now then NASCAR would do something, but it shouldn't. wrecking has no place in modern motorsport, its too dangerous even if wrecking is tradition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... lOsG4&feature=related

Quote from Mustafur :

the boys have it rule has taken a beating this year, im surprised they still allow it after wheldons death.

Keslowski last year hit a wall roof first after getting wrecked by Edwards from a previous race issue, i believe if that had of happened now then NASCAR would do something, but it shouldn't. wrecking has no place in modern motorsport, its too dangerous even if wrecking is tradition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... lOsG4&feature=related

I must agree. The rule needs limitations, and they need to be consistant. They won't allow it as much on a larger track after LVMS and Indy Car I beleive, but they still could careless at a flatter mile long track or shorter.

I must say... the Martinsville race was rather hideous, but other than that, I think NASCAR has done a very good job at allowing the competitors to race under green for longer periods of time. At Texas the run to the finish was 60 laps, and at Phoenix it was 88 laps.

I didn't realize that attendance numbers were as high as what they are even though I knew Phoenix was sold out. 151,000 in attendance at Texas, and 85,000 at Phoenix. Not bad and a good bit higher than what I would have expected. Ratings are actually up this year for a change. If NASCAR would step onto intentional crashing a little bit I don't think those numbers would change, and if anything, they'd inprove. Penalizing drivers for crashing somebody on purpose seems to create more publicity than what actually crashing somebody on purpose ever did. Look at NASCAR.com's Alexa Ratings for the Texas weekend: It was much higher on Saturday than typical and substained it on Sunday.

It's the newer generation not understanding the "boys have at it" mentality. Back in the day people would get mad at each other. If a caution came out, they would just drive up behind them and give them a light push. Now? They just destroy their car. After the race? Plow into each other. During the race? Plow into the car ahead until you both end up in the wall.

Racing in the past wasn't full of angels, there were wrecks, but nothing like there is now. I can't blame NASCAR itself, but more the drivers involved. If they aren't going to start removing some people from the grid (Vickers) then they need to start giving out drivers and owners point penalties, that will get them stopped pretty quickly IMO.


And calling out sponsors, not the driver's fault, nor NASCAR. It's hard to fund those teams, and the only way are through numerous sponsors. In those sponsorship agreements are numerous things stating how you have to promote their product.

Quote from BlueFlame :

I agree with you 100%. The annoying thing with anything broadcasted on the US it can be INSANELY fake (wrestling) or controlled ('debris cautions') and INSANELY plastic interms of interviewing and the drivers response, and the re-actiong to being wrecked, the majority infact ALL Americans know this. They know that the drivers play on the 'wreck for wreck' mentality, they know that but they still enjoy NASCAR.

To be honest, if someone wrecks someone intentionally, they should be put out for life, or suspended. We've seen motorsport is not an invinsible sport like playing chess, but people can die. I too myself find it very hard to take NASCAR seriously, it's only a few wrecks short of being a demolition derby.

The driver that wins generally is someone who just didn't tangle with anyone, and you notice most times the winner is normally a guy that doesn't have beef with anyone or at least, didn't in the race that they won.

It's pathetic, it's almost like NASCAR pay drivers to make revenge wrecks, I mean, why wreck a guy 2 races after he wrecked you? Does that mean that Vickers went into the last race purely with the mentality he was gonna wreck Kenseth? It's retarded. Winning is more of an ego boost than wrecking a guy that wrecked you..

It pisses me off really, because NASCAR could be the PINNICLE of oval motorsport, but it really isn't because of this un-professional WWF style contact.

I find it hard to take you seriously

Quote from PMD9409 :

It's the newer generation not understanding the "boys have at it" mentality. Back in the day people would get mad at each other. If a caution came out, they would just drive up behind them and give them a light push. Now? They just destroy their car. After the race? Plow into each other. During the race? Plow into the car ahead until you both end up in the wall.

Racing in the past wasn't full of angels, there were wrecks, but nothing like there is now. I can't blame NASCAR itself, but more the drivers involved. If they aren't going to start removing some people from the grid (Vickers) then they need to start giving out drivers and owners point penalties, that will get them stopped pretty quickly IMO.


And calling out sponsors, not the driver's fault, nor NASCAR. It's hard to fund those teams, and the only way are through numerous sponsors. In those sponsorship agreements are numerous things stating how you have to promote their product.

This +1

Quote from Mustangman759 :

I find it hard to take you seriously

Nobody takes you seriously.
All that he said was true, NASCAR is stupid with its ruling. Even though I do enjoy watching it.