Quote from Crazy Harry :

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Surely you realise that that is all obvious Spam, thats the stuff you should ignore.

And you consider those insult's? The only one that is close is senna's comments.
I wont take the time to say why each one isnt a insult, it seem's to me that you've looked for thing's to call insult's to support your position.

Quote from mrbogeyman :

Surely you realise that that is all obvious Spam, thats the stuff you should ignore.

Sure, but isn´t it allowed to defenDDD!!! against this ... spam?

Quote from Crazy Harry :

Sure, but isn´t it allowed to defenDDD!!! against this ... spam?

I'd consider replying to that spam a total waste of time. You will get alot further if you rise above it and concentrate on the more constructive stuff.

Quote from mrbogeyman :

I'd consider replying to that spam a total waste of time. You will get alot further if you rise above it and concentrate on the more constructive stuff.

Such as turning right, or using a different car than the BF1.

^^^^ignore that too

Quote from mrbogeyman :

I'd consider replying to that spam a total waste of time. You will get alot further if you rise above it and concentrate on the more constructive stuff.

That´s what I tried to explain earlier.

Quote :

I´m sick of all that flaming against oval racing. I´m sick to explain the fun of it 1000s of times. Dunno why people are always sticking there noses in things they don´t like. Would you go to a football stadium with a banner called "I don´t like football"? Or would you spend your time with things you like?

Quote from Torben :

I appreciate your constructive criticism. But believe me, we run that server for a while and we tried it in different ways in the beginning, and the way with the barriers came out as the best solution, as I remember people asking why mid-race join is off in an 8 lap race.. There are always different opinions, but IMHO experience with a subject validates a certain opinion about that subject.

I agree, there are alway's diffrent opinion's on almost every topic imaginable. Everyone is allowed to have and share their opinion's regardless if they differ from someone else's. I have a good bit of experience with the barrier's, both on your server and other's, so i feel I am able to give a honest opinion about them. Im not sure if you all remember or not, but i used to spend a fair amount of time on your server,(along with a couple other's who have posted here... ie chris kerry, granted its been quite a while) and have never been banned or kicked for not following the rules.

It's the attitude displayed to those who expressed their opinion's that were diffrent from your team's that have caused the riff. Comments such as "there opinions are a bucket of s***" is the problem.


And harry, people are always gonna have diffrent opinions about the oval, some people find it very boring, some like it alot. I for one, enjoy it occasionally. The thread was about The FM team/community/server, not oval racing. You have to expect people to say FM and oval together, as the oval server is how most of us know who FM is. I really dont undersatnd why you feel the need to defend something that, in this case, wasnt being attacked. People stick there noses in it because that is what a forum is for.

Like me or hate me. I really don´t care. But i didn´t start this.

Some of you guys (I think you know) are in my mind like this. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1747/scheuklappen450qq5.jpg

Bye =)
HAVE A GOOD ONE!

No suprise's there! I hope im one of those people.


When i was a kid one of our neighbors had about 4 dog's, the dog's kept coming into our yard and eating my dad's tomato plant's. When my dad confronted the dog's owner's, he said he would take care of the problem. 2 or 3 week's went by and we didnt see the dog's again. The next time my dad saw the guy he asked him how he stopped the dog's from coming over, he said that one of the dog's would dig a whole and come over then the rest would follow... so he shot the one dog. We never saw the dog's in our yard again.

Basically, the one dog was making the whole group look bad.

Quote from th84 :

I agree, there are alway's diffrent opinion's on almost every topic imaginable. Everyone is allowed to have and share their opinion's regardless if they differ from someone else's. I have a good bit of experience with the barrier's, both on your server and other's, so i feel I am able to give a honest opinion about them. Im not sure if you all remember or not, but i used to spend a fair amount of time on your server,(along with a couple other's who have posted here... ie chris kerry, granted its been quite a while) and have never been banned or kicked for not following the rules.

True, I remember you hanging out on the oval. Never had any problems with you, or any of your teammates. I even remember some FMlers connecting to your FOX/OVal server, and I think we had a lot of fun together.

Quote from th84 :

It's the attitude displayed to those who expressed their opinion's that were diffrent from your team's that have caused the riff. Comments such as "there opinions are a bucket of s***" is the problem.

hmm, when I look at the beginning of the thread I see other people starting the insults. for example:

Quote from Shotglas :

fm ... keeping the americans off the real tracks 24/7 ... in that respect i like you

The above is the first thread being in any way insultive, in my opinion. And its not posted by an FM Member.

Quote from Bob Smith :

No idea. Sound like they should stick to CS with all the 12 year olds.

This one is also by a non Fm-Community Member, right after the one above.

So it wasnt us starting the insulting, but we do not sit there and let people talk shit about us. And if someone talks shit about us, we dont hesitate to do the same to him. And some 12 year olds dont understand other language than that.

Quote from Crazy Harry :

You talking about starting. Not answering. Dude, you wrong. Sorry that you can´t find the first insultings here. May I help you?

ignoring sennas post ... if you cant take fun being poked at you (and cant distinguish from insults) and unconstructive critizism the internets probably isnt the right place for you

facts about the internets:
1) its a series of tubes
2) users completely clog up those tubes with fun and spam

besides the one you had a go at was tristan who absolutely didnt insult you the slightest bit


concerning the barriers ... ive played a bunch of games which have caused motion sickness for some people none of them did for me ... driving at 300 kmh right besides a striped barrier however did

Quote from th84 :

People stick there noses in it because that is what a forum is for.

not to mention that they were asked their oppinions

Quote from th84 :

Basically, the one dog was making the whole group look bad.

are you implying harry should be shot ?

Well i thought shotglasses comments were got from your forum, i guess i was wrong there. But i still dont see the insult to you or your team, its more of a stab at americans.

Bob's comments could also be read like this, " By the sounds of this thread, they should stick to CS."

Does it still seem like a insult?, not imo.

I understand the need to defend your team, but harry goes beyond that.

I too remember the fox/oval times, and also more recently at one of our server's, i believe it was fox/as club, nope it was so long/fox and IIRC it was you (torben). Always had good times on the track with most of your member's, but a couple of them ruin it for me.

Quote from shotglass :

are you implying harry should be shot ?

Mabye not shot, but i bet one of those shock collars would work!

Quote from Torben :

The above is the first thread being in any way insultive, in my opinion. And its not posted by an FM Member.

seriously how is my post the least bit insulting ?

We have a lot of very cool american racers here. Maybe that´s the reason.

Quote from Crazy Harry :

I met a lot of very nice people in ventrilo and specially very nice americans like Thunderchild, Canadaman, Racer and more then 20 others!

Quote from th84 :

Mabye not shot, but i bet one of those shock collars would work!

That´s the homour I like. =)

I, being American, wasnt even insulted by that, so why should you, being German, be insulted? Once again, i think your trying to explain your position by turning comments into insult's.

Quote from th84 :

Bob's comments could also be read like this, " By the sounds of this thread, they should stick to CS."

Of course, a thread by some person not being Fm can alwys be read in a non insultive way, But a thread of an FM is automatically insultive or something.
Bob obviously didnt post " By the sounds of this thread, they should stick to CS", no he added "with all those 12 year olds" aware of the fact that it is insultive. Dont twist everything like you need it, see what is posted.

Shotglass: Harry already answered to your question. Thanks Harry.

And just for the notice. Typing sucks. It would be much much much much much much much much easier to talk about such things. Thats why we have and use ventrilo voice chat.

Fair enough Torben. We will just have to agree to disagree. I REALLY dont have a problem with any of you guy's, I dont agree with Harry's approach/attitude, but im sure some people would say the same about me.

Quote from Crazy Harry :

We have a lot of very cool american racers here. Maybe that´s the reason.

so ? americans did take the fun being poked at them easily

Quote from Torben :

Bob obviously didnt post " By the sounds of this thread, they should stick to CS", no he added "with all those 12 year olds" aware of the fact that it is insultive. Dont twist everything like you need it, see what is posted.

sure it is insultive ... IF you edit away the smilie

Quote from th84 :

Fair enough Torben. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Unfortunately, I cant really figure out what that means (my bad english,, sorry), but I just take it as something positive...

Quote from th84 :

I REALLY dont have a problem with any of you guy's, I dont agree with Harry's approach/attitude, but im sure some people would say the same about me.

I can understand if someone doesnt agree with Harry's attitude, but he is my friend and so I bolster him.

Quote from Torben :

Unfortunately, I cant really figure out what that means (my bad english,, sorry), but I just take it as something positive...


I can understand if someone doesnt agree with Harry's attitude, but he is my friend and so I bolster him.

What i mean is, we can have diffrent opinion's about something without flaming each other. Which is a good thing.

I understand the need to defend a friend, it has got me in some S*** in the past, so believe me, i understand!

Quote from th84 :

What i mean is, we can have diffrent opinion's about something without flaming each other. Which is a good thing.

Good Stuff

Quote from th84 :

I understand the need to defend a friend, it has got me in some S*** in the past, so believe me, i understand!

Thats the way it goes. But it brings friends even closer together!

I have a love hate relationship with those barriers. On one hand it keeps people from pegging the throttle and spinning onto the track, as well as making sure drivers have some speed before they blend onto the track.

on the other.... where you could go doown and touch the apron then recover before, you cant now. it takes away valuable recovery room.

don't you try to blame this desaster on Thor.

he seems to be the most sensible FM-member who posted in this thread.