Could you give us the figures that the US actually spends on this please ?

My opinion is that far more gets spent on paying their corporate mates huge bailouts to support their lavish lifestyles than ever gets spent on solo mum's.

Want to know where the money's been stolen from to support your bankers ?

U.S. debt holdings: $6.328 trillion

"That’s right, the biggest single holder of U.S. government debt is inside the United States and includes the Federal Reserve system and other intragovernmental holdings. Of this number, The Fed's system of banks owns approximately $1.65 trillion in U.S. Treasury securities (as of January 2012), while other U.S. intragovernmental holdings - which include large funds such as the Medicare Trust Fund and the Social Security Trust Fund - hold the rest.

In the monthly Treasury bulletin, both are combined into one category and the total accounts for a stunning $6.328 trillion in holdings as of September 2011 (the most recent number available). The amount is an all-time high as the Federal Reserve continues to expand its balance sheet, partially to purchase U.S. government debt securities."

Now, for anyone who is capable of simple math, Social security and Medicare are paid for fund's, that means that their paid for out of your taxes.

For the truly stupid, YOU HAVE PAID FOR THESE ALREADY !

Yet, they show as debt on your balance sheet !

WHY, they should be a credit, UNLESS, they've already been raided and you ( US citizens ) are expected to pay for them again !

And where has the money paid into them gone ?

Fortunatly for the bankers, most of you don't realise this simple fact and your easily distracted by Honey Boo Boo etc.........

Then the unwashed masses start complaining about the huge cost of Social security.

I hope that everyone has already written you off as a ****ing psychopath when you posted a picture of a dead baby in a funny joke thread.

Quote from flymike91 :

I hope that everyone has already written you off as a ****ing psychopath when you posted a picture of a dead baby in a funny joke thread.

Well, Israel and the US think it's funny.
The rest of us tend to think your sick psychopathic F^%$.


And you, strangely, didn't answer my post here, yet again.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

We republicans did not support such bailouts. Yet again Obama turning America into a socialist country.

.... right
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/PO ... 4/bush.bailout/index.html

Quote from flymike91 :

promoting general welfare means creating an environment where people can create prosperity for themselves, not giving them cash.

you know youre in trouble if you have to resort to redefining words to support your failing argument
also your definition includes helping childs born in need to not be left by the wayside

Quote :

What if we had spent that trillion dollars building colonies on Mars and making the next step into a multi-planet civilization? How many jobs could be created making that dream a reality?

and now youve completely lost what little grounding you had in reality
and people thought newt was mad

Quote from flymike91 :

What if we had spent that trillion dollars building colonies on Mars and making the next step into a multi-planet civilization? How many jobs could be created making that dream a reality?

Yay, Mars-Human, one more race to discriminate against!

Quote from flymike91 :

What if we had spent that trillion dollars building colonies on Mars and making the next step into a multi-planet civilization?

What if we would have spent that trillion dollars fighting the secondary wormholes? Then there would be fewer wormhole babies.

Use the wormholes to dispose of the crispy bikes.

The US debt per person is actually lower in amount per person than many other countries.Yes that means deficit/ population.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

The US debt per person is actually lower in amount per person than many other countries.Yes that means deficit/ population.

Can I ask you some serious questions and can you please give me serious answers?

Why is it that you have a habit of making statements which are quickly shown to be false (such as Romney winning the popular vote or Republicans not supporting the stimulus plans) then you fail to acknowledge you were wrong and continue to make more inaccurate statements?

Are you purposely avoiding acknowledging that you're wrong or do you really think the sources which disprove your statements are wrong?

You also seem to have a habit of ignoring answers anyone gives to other statements you make (which I have tried to get you to address before, to no avail). Why do you do that?

edit: Incidentally, in response to the quote above, why do you think it's important to note that the US is 'better' than other countries in terms of national debt per capita? It's true, but why do you think it's important? Surely the fact that this statistic, on its own, doesn't take into account the ability of people to pay off the debt is much more important. What percentage of the US population is currently below the poverty line? What happens to the US national debt per capita when you remove those people? Where does the US rank globally if you remove people below the poverty line in every country?

Quote from Bmxtwins :

The US debt per person is actually lower in amount per person than many other countries.Yes that means deficit/ population.

which is an utterly useless figure since the only relevant thing is debt/gdp
although ive no idea why im typing this since there is 0 chance of you ever acknowledging how utterly wrong and retarded your oppinions are

No im just posting crap in general because I find it funny how butt hurt half of you guys are about a country you don't even live in.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

No im just posting crap in general because I find it funny how butt hurt half of you guys are about a country you don't even live in.

I find it very difficult to believe that you don't believe at least some of the things you post. So, you're not gonna answer my questions above then?

Also, the argument that we don't live in the US therefore we shouldn't care about the US doesn't hold any water. The fact that we live in such an inter-connected world where actions of one country impact on many other countries around the world means that the rest of the world really is (or should be) interested in what the US is doing. To pick one example look at how US foreign policy (e.g. the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the escalating tensions in other countries including Iran, Israel and Syria) impacts the world at large. For another, look at the impact of the global financial crisis (much of which was contributed to by financial institutions in the US). When so many US-based, but globally active, banks and financial institutions either completely fail or require massive bailouts there's a knock-on effect all around the world. To simply say "you don't live here so what right do you have to complain" is representative of an incredibly naive outlook.

Quote from Bmxtwins :

No im just posting crap in general because I find it funny how butt hurt half of you guys are about a country you don't even live in.

cos your country owe my country a lot of money. Bitches.

Not like you will see any of it because your country is communist

E: nvm your hong kong. Anyways didnt we supply a certain someone
During a certain war that went to hong kong to start his own nation

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Not like you will see any of it because your country is communist

E: nvm your hong kong. Anyways didnt we supply a certain someone
During a certain war that went to hong kong to start his own nation

Hong Kong is communist? Riiiiigghhttt..

Guys, Ray Kings is literally retarded. Engaging with him in this way only serves to make us look retarded as well.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Well, Israel and the US think it's funny.
The rest of us tend to think your sick psychopathic F^%$.


And you, strangely, didn't answer my post here, yet again.

Lol hopefully its resolved soon and we dont join in...

Quote from Mustangman759 :

Lol hopefully its resolved soon and we dont join in...

Excuse me ?

Are you all totally stupid in the US, sorry but it's either that or your totally brainwashed. Your choice.

"Israel's intervention in the Gaza Strip has been fueled largely by US supplied weapons paid for with US tax dollars," says a background briefing released Thursday by the Arms and Security Initiative of the New York-based New America Foundation.[6]

The U.S. was the only UNSC member that refused to support the 8 January 2009 ceasefire resolution.[7] Other Security Council members were stunned by the U.S. abstention.[8] Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is said to be proud of the role he played in persuading U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to refrain from supporting a ceasefire resolution she herself had helped to prepare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F ... volvement_in_the_Gaza_War


The United States vetoed an Arab-backed UN Security Council resolution calling for a halt to Israeli military operations in Gaza.
http://rense.com/general58/USvetoesresolution.htm


In fact, and this is interesting:
* Between 1972 and 2001, the United States used its veto power in the Security Council thirty-nine times to block resolutions critical of Israeli policies in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, more than all other countries have used their veto on all other issues combined. (Source: Stephen Zunes, Tinderbox: US Middle East Policy and the Rootes of September Terrorism.)
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages ... shameful-deplorable-a-tra

In fact, the total is now 62 veto's supporting Israel, to the end of 2011, well done. I had thought that you were the "Pillar of Democracy", or so you keep telling people, clearly, only if their jewish !

Within hours of the ceasefire collapsing, the Obama Administration was loudly cheering the attack, insisting Israel has a “right” to launch such attacks as part of its “self-defense” and condemning Hamas for retaliatory rocket fire.
The State Department was the first to issue a statement, along with a travel warning for Americans who may be going to southern Israel. The statement insisted there was “no justification” for Hamas to launch any attacks, and claiming Israel was trying not to kill civilians.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/1 ... eli-attack-on-gaza-strip/


And you have a deluded idea that the US isn't involved. Do you people actually have any idea what your government does ?
Sorry, but your complete ignorance on nearly all matters is completely astounding. I'm doing my best not to be overly rude but WTF are you people actually thinking ?

But let's take a quick look at both your parties support for Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnq2AXDyry8
The US Congress was hanging on every word, almost as if they were anticipating their approval of the message before Netanyahu even spoke his next line. The speech was interrupted by standing ovations 29 times.

Former Democratic US Senator Mike Gravel said Netanyahu is more powerful than the US President because US lawmakers have been bought out by AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby.

“Netanyahu doesn’t want any peace,” he said. “They are prepared to go ahead, and over time, push out the Palestinians from the West Bank and Jerusalem. That’s their plan.”

He explained Netanyahu and Obama will always be at odds, and the Congress will always bend to Israel over the President on Middle East policy so long as the pro-Israeli lobby rules.
The reaction on Capitol Hill is groveling, not just admiration, explained Gravel.
“Obama on this particular issue and the Congress on this particular issue lack moral courage,” he remarked.
It is political suicide to oppose the pro-Israel lobby, he noted, explaining that AIPAC possesses great influence and power in US electoral politics.


And, for our fanatical Republicans out there who, no doubt will claim that it's Obama, have a read of Romney's statement when he was fundraising in Israel, ( A felony offense, but hey ...... )
In his Jerusalem speech, Romney went on to insist that “we cannot stand silent as those who seek to undermine Israel voice their criticisms. And we certainly should not join in that criticism.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a ... ess-his-own-campaign.html

if the option is to support a fascist theocracy or a secular democracy I choose Israel. In Gaza a man can murder his daughter for looking lustfully at a man and his neighbors will support him. And you also support his right to murder women. Is that what they teach you in New Zealand?

All ceasefire agreements will fail as long as the majority of Palestinians believe that all Israelis should die and their country erased from existence. Why should a technologically and socially superior country make concessions to radical Islamists who will betray any deals because their religion forbids compromising with Jews?

Quote from flymike91 :

if the option is to support a fascist theocracy or a secular democracy I choose Israel. In Gaza a man can murder his daughter for looking lustfully at a man and his neighbors will support him. And you also support his right to murder women. Is that what they teach you in New Zealand?

All ceasefire agreements will fail as long as the majority of Palestinians believe that all Israelis should die and their country erased from existence. Why should a technologically and socially superior country make concessions to radical Islamists who will betray any deals because their religion forbids compromising with Jews?

In your case, I'll pick stupid !
( But, to give you the benefit of the doubt, try actually reading the following, do some research, i.e. think !, and try disagreeing with fact's showing what I post is wrong, like yeah, thats going to happen ! )
And, if you really want to argue, I've got some fascinating fact's regarding how Israel created, paid for, supported Hamas. Bring it on........

One of the haunting images of Jewish heroism, lauded in history books and Holocaust commemorations, is the courage of those, especially the young, in the Warsaw Ghetto, when in 1940, Jewish Warsaw residents were ordered by the German invaders into a small section of the city.

The people of Gaza (roughly seventy five percent of whom are under twenty five) have had even the water in their natural springs stolen by a population to whom James Arthur Balfour’s sparse words promised: “the establishment of a home in Palestine for the Jewish people … it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine … ”
The Jewish families were contained in their enclave by an up to three metre high wall.The people of Gaza, ironically, are largely contained by a wall up to eleven metres high – twice the height of the Berlin Wall.
The Palestinians, their lands, homes, even cemeteries, stolen and destroyed, their ancient olive groves – some trees a thousand years old – burned or stolen to grace often illegal settlements, their people spat at, imprisoned, tortured, bombed, walled in, is now also near land-locked by Israel’s maritime aggression in Gaza’s territorial waters. Even fishing, unfettered access to their bountiful fish stocks are often denied, threatened by gun boats.
Gaza, since 2000 especially, has become a sunnier Warsaw Ghetto. Imports are strangulatingly controlled or totally prohibited by Israel, thus lifeline tunnels have also been dug between Gaza and Egypt.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/g ... es-against-humanity/32455

And Israel is a democracy ?, here's the New York Times on that subject.....

My generation, born in the ’50s, grew up with the deep, almost religious belief that the two countries shared basic values and principles. Back then, Americans and Israelis talked about democracy, human rights, respect for other nations and human solidarity. It was an age of dreamers and builders who sought to create a new world, one without prejudice, racism or discrimination.

Listening to today’s political discourse, one can’t help but notice the radical change in tone. My children have watched their prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, kowtow to a fundamentalist coalition in Israel. They are convinced that what ties Israel and America today is not a covenant of humanistic values but rather a new set of mutual interests: war, bombs, threats, fear and trauma. How did this happen? Where is that righteous America? Whatever happened to the good old Israel?

Mr. Netanyahu’s great political “achievement” has been to make Israel a partisan issue and push American Jews into a corner. He has forced them to make political decisions based on calculations that go against what they perceive to be American interests. The emotional extortion compels Jews to pressure the Obama administration, a government with which they actually share values and worldviews, when those who love Israel should be doing the opposite: helping the American government to intervene and save Israel from itself.

Israel arose as a secular, social democratic country inspired by Western European democracies. With time, however, its core values have become entirely different. Israel today is a religious, capitalist state. Its religiosity is defined by the most extreme Orthodox interpretations. Its capitalism has erased much of the social solidarity of the past, with the exception of a few remaining vestiges of a welfare state. Israel defines itself as a “Jewish and democratic state.” However, because Israel has never created a system of checks and balances between these two sources of authority, they are closer than ever to a terrible clash.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08 ... l?pagewanted=all&_r=0

To be honest, take this how you want, but the Israeli's have every right to bomb the hell out of Palestinian territories.


IDF are a trained professional armed force, whilst Hamas or whatever they are calling themselves now are just a bunch of freeloading mercenaries firing random rockets into Israel.

Quote from BlueFlame :

To be honest, take this how you want, but the Israeli's have every right to bomb the hell out of Palestinian territories.


IDF are a trained professional armed force, whilst Hamas or whatever they are calling themselves now are just a bunch of freeloading mercenaries firing random rockets into Israel.

And the Nazi's, as a trained military force, had every right to murder who they chose. There goes the Holocaust as a war crime........
Sorry, just applying your logic.
Make of that what you like.

both sides will always be able to say they were responding to a previous attack, that's a pretty good definition of escalation.

In Israel, the government does not kill its own citizens if they decide not to be Jewish. They do not systematically deny rights to female citizens. In fact equal rights are given to each religion and gender in their bill of rights. The same cannot be said for Israel's enemies. The charter of Hamas is an explicit death threat to all Israelis. Whatever actions Israel takes to defeat and demoralize their sworn enemies, they can at least say they treat each other with respect and dignity.

I don't see why you are blind to Israeli women and children who have also been killed by indiscriminate rocket attacks. You don't think that some countries become more powerful than others in part because of the power they give their citizens? One side has obviously has more capabilities than the other, but that's why chihuahuas don't kill dobermans. Would you consider giving Hamas half of Israel's nukes? Would that make the world a safer place? Of course it doesn't matter to you, living in a country that Islamists have never heard of.

It may be interesting to note that for all their talk of support, Egypt also does not allow Palestinians to freely travel or emigrate to their country.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Excuse me ?

Are you all totally stupid in the US, sorry but it's either that or your totally brainwashed. Your choice.

"Israel's intervention in the Gaza Strip has been fueled largely by US supplied weapons paid for with US tax dollars," says a background briefing released Thursday by the Arms and Security Initiative of the New York-based New America Foundation.[6]

The U.S. was the only UNSC member that refused to support the 8 January 2009 ceasefire resolution.[7] Other Security Council members were stunned by the U.S. abstention.[8] Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is said to be proud of the role he played in persuading U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to refrain from supporting a ceasefire resolution she herself had helped to prepare:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F ... volvement_in_the_Gaza_War


The United States vetoed an Arab-backed UN Security Council resolution calling for a halt to Israeli military operations in Gaza.
http://rense.com/general58/USvetoesresolution.htm


In fact, and this is interesting:
* Between 1972 and 2001, the United States used its veto power in the Security Council thirty-nine times to block resolutions critical of Israeli policies in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, more than all other countries have used their veto on all other issues combined. (Source: Stephen Zunes, Tinderbox: US Middle East Policy and the Rootes of September Terrorism.)
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages ... shameful-deplorable-a-tra

In fact, the total is now 62 veto's supporting Israel, to the end of 2011, well done. I had thought that you were the "Pillar of Democracy", or so you keep telling people, clearly, only if their jewish !

Within hours of the ceasefire collapsing, the Obama Administration was loudly cheering the attack, insisting Israel has a “right” to launch such attacks as part of its “self-defense” and condemning Hamas for retaliatory rocket fire.
The State Department was the first to issue a statement, along with a travel warning for Americans who may be going to southern Israel. The statement insisted there was “no justification” for Hamas to launch any attacks, and claiming Israel was trying not to kill civilians.
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/1 ... eli-attack-on-gaza-strip/


And you have a deluded idea that the US isn't involved. Do you people actually have any idea what your government does ?
Sorry, but your complete ignorance on nearly all matters is completely astounding. I'm doing my best not to be overly rude but WTF are you people actually thinking ?

But let's take a quick look at both your parties support for Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnq2AXDyry8
The US Congress was hanging on every word, almost as if they were anticipating their approval of the message before Netanyahu even spoke his next line. The speech was interrupted by standing ovations 29 times.

Former Democratic US Senator Mike Gravel said Netanyahu is more powerful than the US President because US lawmakers have been bought out by AIPAC and the pro-Israel lobby.

“Netanyahu doesn’t want any peace,” he said. “They are prepared to go ahead, and over time, push out the Palestinians from the West Bank and Jerusalem. That’s their plan.”

He explained Netanyahu and Obama will always be at odds, and the Congress will always bend to Israel over the President on Middle East policy so long as the pro-Israeli lobby rules.
The reaction on Capitol Hill is groveling, not just admiration, explained Gravel.
“Obama on this particular issue and the Congress on this particular issue lack moral courage,” he remarked.
It is political suicide to oppose the pro-Israel lobby, he noted, explaining that AIPAC possesses great influence and power in US electoral politics.


And, for our fanatical Republicans out there who, no doubt will claim that it's Obama, have a read of Romney's statement when he was fundraising in Israel, ( A felony offense, but hey ...... )
In his Jerusalem speech, Romney went on to insist that “we cannot stand silent as those who seek to undermine Israel voice their criticisms. And we certainly should not join in that criticism.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/a ... ess-his-own-campaign.html

Why is this thread still going on?