Keep checking, you may found out when we'll have to switch to posting in Cyrillic

I guess this is relevant.

"Ukraine Minister of Social Policy Lyudmila Denisova has signed an order officially recognizing the Russian convoy stuck at the border as humanitarian aid cargo of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

"In accordance with Articles 4 and 5 of the Law of Ukraine 'On Humanitarian Aid' considering the initiative of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on receiving humanitarian aid within the framework of international humanitarian missions under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to recognize the cargo as humanitarian aid,” the document reads.

Russian and Ukrainian officials have agreed on Sunday to proceed with the inspection of the first group of 16 Russian trucks of the humanitarian convoy, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said.

The ICRC will be supervising the delivery of the aid and will go ahead after it receives security guarantees from the warring sides in Ukraine."
http://rt.com/news/180844-ukra ... -russia-humanitarian-aid/

The level of brainwashing here defies belief sometimes. So, Russia provides aid, checked and certified by the International Red Cross.

And the west sends.....
Here's Hungarys contribution
http://www.google.com/translat ... n-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele

Racer Y, there you go if you want one.........

And Britain sends.....
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28530283


From the underground news desk, the Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked by the Freedom Fighters. (See my sig!) Ignore your news media as it seems to be as full of truth on this as it has been over the rest of this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_fRqKvNGQc
That's in Russian, it does however include interesting graphical proof. Feel free to provide a translation, as a request to our Russian members. (We are a world wide community after all. Do try to remember this. I did request that this thread focus on facts, rather than propoganda at the beginning. See page 1 !)

Here's an english analysis. Going into details about actual unit id and what the actual unit damage is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUeRVRcab0Q
This also addresses how the propoganda that your currently believing can easily take place in Europe, based on living memory. It does however pay to move on and accept that situations change.

As an example, My dad was with the 10th Gurkhas during WW part 2 in Burma. 35 years later he was working for the Japanese embassy in Wgtn, and ended up talking with the new Ambassador at his welcoming event about the fact they were 30 yrds apart at Imphal. (And pissing off the diplomatic hierarchy because they were talking so long) And life goes on..........
( Interesting alt fact, Yamamoto's daughter also worked there..... )

Do try to remember that the Ukraine has already admitted shooting down MH17, admittedly they claim an accident while the current alt view is that was was deliberate.
Why do you think there is no info from GB from the Black Box's. Probably still arguing about how to put a positive spin on it.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

"Ukraine Minister of Social Policy Lyudmila Denisova has signed an order officially recognizing the Russian convoy stuck at the border as humanitarian aid cargo of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

"In accordance with Articles 4 and 5 of the Law of Ukraine 'On Humanitarian Aid' considering the initiative of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on receiving humanitarian aid within the framework of international humanitarian missions under the auspices of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to recognize the cargo as humanitarian aid,” the document reads.

Russian and Ukrainian officials have agreed on Sunday to proceed with the inspection of the first group of 16 Russian trucks of the humanitarian convoy, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said.

The ICRC will be supervising the delivery of the aid and will go ahead after it receives security guarantees from the warring sides in Ukraine."
http://rt.com/news/180844-ukra ... -russia-humanitarian-aid/

The level of brainwashing here defies belief sometimes. So, Russia provides aid, checked and certified by the International Red Cross.

And the west sends.....
Here's Hungarys contribution
http://www.google.com/translat ... n-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele

Racer Y, there you go if you want one.........

And Britain sends.....
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28530283


From the underground news desk, the Ukraine is getting it's ass kicked by the Freedom Fighters. (See my sig!) Ignore your news media as it seems to be as full of truth on this as it has been over the rest of this situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_fRqKvNGQc
That's in Russian, it does however include interesting graphical proof. Feel free to provide a translation, as a request to our Russian members. (We are a world wide community after all. Do try to remember this. I did request that this thread focus on facts, rather than propoganda at the beginning. See page 1 !)

Here's an english analysis. Going into details about actual unit id and what the actual unit damage is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUeRVRcab0Q
This also addresses how the propoganda that your currently believing can easily take place in Europe, based on living memory. It does however pay to move on and accept that situations change.

As an example, My dad was with the 10th Gurkhas during WW part 2 in Burma. 35 years later he was working for the Japanese embassy in Wgtn, and ended up talking with the new Ambassador at his welcoming event about the fact they were 30 yrds apart at Imphal. (And pissing off the diplomatic hierarchy because they were talking so long) And life goes on..........
( Interesting alt fact, Yamamoto's daughter also worked there..... )

Do try to remember that the Ukraine has already admitted shooting down MH17, admittedly they claim an accident while the current alt view is that was was deliberate.
Why do you think there is no info from GB from the Black Box's. Probably still arguing about how to put a positive spin on it.

My brother-in -law gave me a Gurkha knife.

...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUeRVRcab0Q....
Really dude? You base your thoughts on THIS clown? Really?
Rupert Murdoch is more credible than this idiot. I'd love to have been the one asking the questions to this defect. Mine wouldn't be so slanted and he'd probably make a lot more Uhhhs in his replies than what he does now.
OMG look at his eyes! he's reading from cards - a teleprompter!

Tanks on a train, photo'd by "someone"
A long time ago, conspiracy nuts here just KNEW that the U.N. was going to take over the USofA. They had this photo of a Soviet tank, probably one of those models, on a trailer, hidden under a tarp, in the state of Louisiana.
They made all this big stuff about the tank photo and lumped it in with other half-baked nonsense to come up with a wonderful tale of communist domination.
I know about the tank in that photo. I don't know how others got a hold of it.
See. My next door neighbor at the time ran an escort service. No not THAT kind of escort service. They escorted over sized loads across the US, and Canada. One of their jobs was to transport that tank. It was a big top secret deal. It was during the cold war and that tank was stolen from a Warsaw pact country and brought here for analysis. But someone took a picture, made up a story behind it and PRESTO! Instant conspiracy theory.

You need to realize, that just because someone isn't wearing a designer suit telling you news from some fancy desk. That it doesn't mean they ain't full of it. And it damned sure doesn't mean that these people are honest, un-biased or even competent.... like this moron rambling about Kiev.
Oh well. At least we know he's not a true drone for Putin... he's just too damned stupid.

Look both sides are lying about most of this. It's what they do.

This case was solved when the Spanish air controller posted about the fighter jets surrounding the MH17 plane. And weiiiirddlyy... that was removed from twitter while ISIS (usa) is happily posting on twitter.. totally logical of course.. nothing weird there.. really..

Now Canadian and German specialists specially sent to that area also say that the plane has been shot down. Lots of photos support this. Sizes of bulletholes and bullets used by the Ukrainian air crafts match. This is exactly what I thought 1 minute after event. USA lacks intelligence once again to come up with some creative false flag events.. its the millionst time now that they use planes. Operation Northwoods the first?

I wish that 'Russian' stronghold in the Ukraine was really that much held by Russian separists, much more evidence would be free much earlier. Russia has completely no beneficial stuff in all of this matter, actually such an event would work against Russia.. and still ppl copy/paste western media while there is no reason to do so... Big laugh!

Find what BRIC 2014 was all about.. and find why the warmachine of the USA invaded Lybia and all the oil countries.. Russia finally says go build a decent economy yourself brainless usa'ers we are going to run oil / gas transactions in a another currency. Clearly usa cant allow that. So lets make war.. as they have done to all the other countries before..

Motives and interests all pointing one direction since the very first day of all these happenings.

Owh.. almost forgot.. nice video BBC! Bit of a shame you removed it immediately so the western people couldnt see all the eye witnesses that told your BBC reporters that they all saw Fighter jets besides the passenger plane...

Great post, all completely true. BUT, no one is going to post against it, rather they'll just post 'blah' and feel justified by avoiding any facts.

I feel the need to repost this; in WW part 1 you had a number of awesome poets, Wilfred Owen, Seigfried Sassoon, and authors like Robert Graves and Erich Maria Remarque.

These days, musicians have taken over that role. So.......

'Dear Mrs. Robinson, your boy died today
He died a brave man far away
We had our dope, stashed it up real fine
Inside his mind

So we removed his brain and put in a K
He'll come back to you that way
And when you get him home, we hope you'll dig it out
Dig it out

And when you get it dear, will you make sure of this
To give it back to me,
Because me and my offices have got a lot of clout

Micky Mouse's body bag gets Fed Exed from Kabul
Minnie Mouse, she wonders why the body bag's half-full
Oligarchs and oil barons tell Walt Disney the news
John Wayne marches off to war in Donald Duck's shoes

1 2 3 what are we fighting for,
Don't ask me I don't give a damn, next stop Afghanistan
5 6 7 open up the pearly gates
There ain't no time to wonder why we're all gonna die

From napalm to phosphorous, suicide to bombs
Mekong Delta, Helmand province, Taliban to Vietcong
Ghost ride to Guantanamo, Rambo 1 to 5
Put your full metal jacket on, no one here gets out alive

V - I - E - T - N - A - M - I -S - T - A - N
A new nation
V - I - E - T - N - A - M - I -S - T - A - N
A new nation'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9lwKgoc5i8

"If anyone thinks that politics and religion aren't suitable subjects for Rock 'n' Roll they should check out Alabama 3"
The Times

Oooops, I guess that the above actually requires some knowledge about the hell war is, and as very few people here actually appreciate that then I just expect the usual replies.
If anyone has actually been in a war, and wants it again, please post and say so, as no one I know who's actually been there does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeJkpsOqQgc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0V1yRrjMmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKZfsPMfpo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPF7LkC_kkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QRftl3vFZ4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TXFoTUrSYw

What I find funny is that the Ukraine has admitted shooting down MH17, do we hear any disgust from anyone, including cargame, ( sorry mate but yet to hear from you on this fact ) ?, nope, all we get is '[email protected].'
It would be great if people would actually try to pay attention, like, 'Beware, here be NAZI's, these people shot down this airliner....'. But no, they just keep parroting the same crap that's on the western media 24/7 and think they're right.

Let's quote 'Another Nazi', "One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

Sorry for the delay in posting this latest coverup but it's only just become alt/public, this was a decision made on 8 Aug , however, for some strange reason we are still waiting for this fact to get to the controlled media. I wonder why ?........

I really hope no one was stupid enough to actually expect any facts over MH17 to be released, strangely enough there seems to be a secrecy agreement between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia, generously they allowed Malaysia into the agreement a couple of days later.

If ANY of the parties disagrees with making facts public, secret they stay.........
http://www.washingtonsblog.com ... -8th-agreement-seeps.html

This UNIAN report said that, "As part of the four-party agreement signed on August 8 between Ukraine, the Netherlands, Belgium and Australia [all of which nations are allies of the United States and are cooperating with its new Cold War against Russia], information on the investigation into the disaster Malaysian 'Boeing-777' will not be disclosed." In other words: the official 'investigation' is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine
http://www.opednews.com/articl ... US_Russia-140824-786.html

Here's the Guardian today (25 Aug), bonus points if you can find this;
http://www.theguardian.com/new ... ysia-airlines-flight-mh17

Here's NZ media, 25 Aug....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/search?k=MH17&label=MH17+disaster

Here's the daily mail, 25 Aug....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new ... =rss&ns_campaign=1490

This agreement was signed Aug 8, yet it still seems to be missing from western media, please, give me a link to show it's reported in anything other than Russian/alt media.........
Otherwise, you'd think that there was something to hide.........?
Like, the Ukraine shot the plane down.

Quick, queue cute cat picture to distract people !



Is that enough to distract you ?

No ?, damn, time for plan B, plan B never fails.....



There, guaranteed to stop any level of intelligent thought.

Where can I buy cat hats?

The same store where they sell those on the photo below. Might suit most even better. I believe the brand name of those products was quite long, something like: "My brain is reluctant to accept any information even though there is plenty of evidence when it supports another idea than my brain is used to and I do not care about objectiveness at all". Still wondering why they didn't call it "Avoid Cognitive Dissonance.."

Can I get one with "Apathy does not equate to ignorance" stitched on it?

I guess, but they only come with a second line which says:

"To sin by silence when protest should sound, makes cowards out of men"


People say to cry, to feel bad, to be shocked... They are proud to have posted flowers, they think about their families and what more rubbish crap..... Compared to at least trying to get a clear picture of what is really going on so someone could raise a voice at least in the future (Yes, I am aware of someone brave enough to have a different opinion, in a huge crowd with a commonly shared opinion, is very rare). Contributing to avoiding such happenings in future pays more respect than being silent, sending flowers or cry over dead bodies.. while there is plenty of evidence that things aren't like they are presented.

Quote from danielroelofs :

"To sin by silence when protest should sound, makes cowards out of men"

In the same vein

Quote :

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
src

So the aid convoy turned out to be not associated at all with the red cross. Now Russian artillery is firing under the separatist flag. Wish I could get some straight news but what media outlets are not wildly speculating are spreading misinformation and hoaxes. Sites like twitter and tumblr are by far the worst. Anyone have a first (or second) hand report of what's going on as of today?

Quote from danielroelofs :

I guess, but they only come with a second line which says:

"To sin by silence when protest should sound, makes cowards out of men"


People say to cry, to feel bad, to be shocked... They are proud to have posted flowers, they think about their families and what more rubbish crap..... Compared to at least trying to get a clear picture of what is really going on so someone could raise a voice at least in the future (Yes, I am aware of someone brave enough to have a different opinion, in a huge crowd with a commonly shared opinion, is very rare). Contributing to avoiding such happenings in future pays more respect than being silent, sending flowers or cry over dead bodies.. while there is plenty of evidence that things aren't like they are presented.

OK... I give up Why are people from the Netherlands called Dutch? I'm serious.
Is there like some old historical reference to some Duke? I went to school with some kids that were Dutch-Americans. Their last name was French. Yeah. Go figure. The other kids with the last name of French really were French (cajuns).

As far as Ukraine goes... People can sit there and have the last laugh or point and say, "I told you so" all they want when it comes to the online discussions arguments and flame wars. But it won't matter. At least not in the Ukraine.

You know, the overall indifference from the planet as a whole should be an indicator that our moral compass sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a site in the deep web taking bit coin bets on daily casualty counts.

Quote from flymike91 :

Russian artillery is firing under the separatist flag.

Has been confirmed by a man from my company who was mobilised and has a slight injury.

Hospitals are overcrowded in my city.

All medias are lying. Your "facts" analysis still is just your opinion, no matter what.

That's why we need real info, if Russia really is invading then we're living in the most apathetic world ever. Russia already annexed another region and the world yawned. But if the US suddenly took Ontario it would be WWIII (makes me think we should take Ontario....). I guess that means Crimea (and Crimeans) aren't worth anything? Does that also apply to Ukrainians? The world was counting on America to protect the inviolability of sovereign borders. It doesn't help that the US, UK, and Germany would like to pull Eastern Europe completely out of the influence of Russia, yet has nothing whatsoever to offer except New World Order economics and unlimited Muslim immigration. No wonder no one cares, Ukrainians are between a turd and another turd.

You miss the fact that US already HAVE Canada , the same way as Russia used to have Ukraine. If Russia or China would have been able and helped a nice red revolution in Canada, US would not have been happy with Ontario only.

Quote from Racer Y :

OK... I give up Why are people from the Netherlands called Dutch? I'm serious.

Because most foreigners cannot determine the difference between Dutch and German (German == Deutsch).

Quote :

ow, what about the Dutch? There are three terms we need to define: Holland, the Netherlands, and Dutch. In Old English dutch simply meant “people or nation.” (This also explains why Germany is called Deutschland in German.) Over time, English-speaking people used the word Dutch to describe people from both the Netherlands and Germany. (At that point in time, in the early 1500s, the Netherlands and parts of Germany, along with Belgium and Luxembourg, were all part of the Holy Roman Empire.) Specifically the phrase “High Dutch” referred to people from the mountainous area of what is now southern Germany. “Low Dutch” referred to people from the flatlands in what is now the Netherlands.

Although the languages have a quiet short lexical distance Germans cant understand Dutch. Although we can understand German, because we are better. (And have to learn the basics on school )

I thought there was no one left who could both speak and understand dutch the way it's shown in textbooks, everyone switched to English.

P.S. That was a great idea BUT watch out the reputation Dutch have for honesty and frankness in their speech doesn't translate well into English. If you're going to say anything not approved by the thought police you should really just say it in Dutch.

No one will understand to be offended.

Quote from flymike91 :

I thought there was no one left who could both speak and understand dutch the way it's shown in textbooks, everyone switched to English.

P.S. That was a great idea BUT watch out the reputation Dutch have for honesty and frankness in their speech doesn't translate well into English. If you're going to say anything not approved by the thought police you should really just say it in Dutch.

No one will understand to be offended.

Speaking about reputations.... lol. I must say i dont really seem to get the point of your post tbh.. but you guys don't really have a reputation ( I believe in the whole wide world) of knowing anything about anything accross us borderlines..

Quote from Racer X NZ :

And, as an advanced post, when the Ukraine claims to have destroyed Russian T72s that have invaded the Ukraine, the Ukraine have just brought some from Poland for the scap value of $8700 each, just pre empting the next false flag claim......

Russian T-72 tank in eastern Ukraine 'shows Russia is supplying arms to rebels', says strategy experts
http://www.independent.co.uk/n ... ms-to-rebels-9695852.html

I think this is when I get to say 'I told you so !'

Even gave you the correct model, mind you, they were actually brought from Hungry so I was a bit off there.....

It's getting bad when I'm able to give you a 2 week heads up on the latest Ukraine 'story', Western media still seem to have missed the fact these tanks were just purchased by the Ukraine. But, the Bankers want their war.

The OSCE was told there was no Russian presence spotted across the Ukraine border, refuting Thursday's claims that a full-scale invasion was underway. Both the Ukrainian monitoring team head and Russia's representative have given a firm 'no.'
The Russian representative to the OSCE Andrey Kelin, meanwhile, has given a firm response to the allegations, saying that “we have said that no Russian involvement has been spotted, there are no soldiers or equipment present.”
“Accusations relating to convoys of armored personnel carriers have been heard during the past week and the week before that,” he said. “All of them were proven false back then, and are being proven false again now.”
http://rt.com/news/183356-russ ... oshenko-invasion-ukraine/

And here's another link to that story, dated 12 Aug, explaining what the Ukraine purchased. Again, Western media and Govt's don't seem able to find this story. Makes you wonder what the alphabet soup of agencies and news media actually do all day.
http://translator.live.com/BV. ... n-az-ukrajnai-haboru-fele


Mind you, this story is still completely missing from NZ media, perhaps even our journalists have decided its a joke. It was all over UK/US media 12 hours ago.........

More dangerous news..

Media reports now saying that Kiev quickly wants to join the NAVO. I believe one rule of the NAVO states is if one of them is under attack, (as how EU and the US hopes everyone will see it like that now although its a complete false flag from the west (EU&USA)) the NAVO has to support that attacked country.

Which would mean trouble?

Still find it hard to believe the outcome is a full war as this will ruin the west their agenda.

Since there is no Kiev, there is no Ukrainian president as its plugged into the seat by the usa.. it was waiting for them to join the NAVo and EU. Not really democratic so meaningless and no right to be there.

Quote from danielroelofs :

More dangerous news..

Media reports now saying that Kiev quickly wants to join the NAVO. I believe one rule of the NAVO states is if one of them is under attack, (as how EU and the US hopes everyone will see it like that now although its a complete false flag from the west (EU&USA)) the NAVO has to support that attacked country.

Which would mean trouble?

Still find it hard to believe the outcome is a full war as this will ruin the west their agenda.

Since there is no Kiev, there is no Ukrainian president as its plugged into the seat by the usa.. it was waiting for them to join the NAVo and EU. Not really democratic so meaningless and no right to be there.

First of all it´s called NATO ...and no, it´s highly unlikely that they will be accepted at this point. Dangerous news

edit* damn... I wan´t one of those cathats also.

There you go.... https://www.etsy.com/nz/shop/ToScarboroughFair

And while your in the distraction zone, http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st ... s-torturous-waist-trainer

Quote from Flater :

First of all it´s called NATO ...and no, it´s highly unlikely that they will be accepted at this point. Dangerous news

Yeah, right.......

Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said Ukraine is free to pursue membership of the Western alliance despite Russian opposition.
He told press in Brussels on Friday (29 August): “I’m not going to interfere in political discussions in Ukraine. But let me remind you of Nato’s decision at the Bucharest summit in 2008, according to which Ukraine ‘will become a member of Nato,’ provided of course, Ukraine so wishes and fulfills the necessary criteria”.
http://euobserver.com/defence/125399

Which they're not even close to, but considering the level of ($@^ around this, I expect an exception will be made.

Quote from Flater :

First of all it´s called NATO

lol.. yes you are right.. the abbreviation in Dutch is NAVO it was a Dutch news article. Sorry i hope it didnt confuse you too much.

So weird.. it came from a western controlled new article.. I expected ppl to approach this in a sacred way. Again.. it came from a western controlled media channel so its true and any voice against it is per definition wrong.


It's news that (when true) shows the direction its going and its not heading for the right direction if they do. But it's useless to explain.