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Really, have you guys never heard the term 'don't bob yer pants'?

Nope.

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Feel free to take the moral highground when you are around someone who swears. That way you can feel righteous, upstanding and proper.

I dont need the moral highground to feel like that.

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Stupid idea. I hate auto-censoring even on forums. It's just stupid. I have a right to swear if I see it's needed, goddamnit!

Well not really, no you dont. You can get away with what the forums let you get away with, but remember the agreement says you cannot cause offense and many people find swearing offensive.

Personally I use the odd swearword, usually either a mild one (ie: dammit!) or a more boisterous one for comedic effect, having said that I find it unpleasant to read posts littered with unecessary swearing, more problematical is when people swear online whilst racing for no other reason than they can.

I've lost track of the number of conversations i've seen online where the only word to appear that wasn't 'offensive' was the ocassional pronoun, usually miss-spelt.

When you consider what such conversations actually achieve, a mild amount of emotional relief for the swearer in exchange for increased tension stress when the swearing is reciprocated, I really dont see much point in it.

Sure we all loose our rag at times, but I just think habbitual swearing is both unecessary and a frankly, a bit off-putting.

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But we may be in the presence of smaller members of our families. And since when did obsenity become such an irreplaceable part of human vocabulary anyway? Sure if I stub my toe, lose control of my car, or forget to do something really important I'll let a 'colorful metaphor' slip, but otherwise I try to maintain a degree of politeness at all times.

Why is it that these certain words are considered "bad" in the first place though? They are just words. I don't swear often either, but i don't like censorship

bt thr b a diff btw3n spellz dat m3nt 2 b bad n m3 b iliterat

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It's a great idea. Sometimes my nephews watch when i'm racing.

And you really thinks that he will never hear such words ? I bet if he was your son, you wouldn't allow him to go to school...kids hear so many bad words at school, it's too dangerous for him

BTW, I don't like filters. There are too much false positive and in case you all don't know, the whole world don't necessarily speak english as a primary language and are sometimes kicked because the word they used contain the same letter sequences.

I know we should all talk in english in random public servers, but sometimes I perfectly know that all drivers connected to a server are french or german speaking people and I don't want to be kicked by a stupid bot.

If there is a need for a filter, this should be client side. Afterall, the LFS servers won't prevents Becky's nephew to start a browser and connect to a child porn website while she is in the WC

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Afterall, the LFS servers won't prevents Becky's nephew to start a browser and connect to a child porn website while she is in the WC

I always got the impression it was dirty old men that went to child porn websites, rather than other children.

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And you really thinks that he will never hear such words ? I bet if he was your son, you wouldn't allow him to go to school...kids hear so many bad words at school, it's too dangerous for him

My nephews understand what bad words are, they have two friends who do not. The difference in their speach and 'yo ma momma' attitude after they play with those friends is noticeable. The key it seems, is limited exposure.

With regards to client side filtering of English swearing, yes that would be preffered, both in browsers and in the LFS client. Currently neither do this, Cepe.

I dont think watching online racing needs to be innapropriate though, does it?

Motor racing is a sport you can start to take part in competetive racing from the age of 8, it is a family sport, I should know as I was born into it. My mother was a socket set and my father a tub of Swarfega. My Dad raced, my brother races, I race, my sister chose kids and my Mum looks the other way, but we're a racing family like many others so as I grew up I spent many days at race tracks with my family, and later with my friends. It's a family sport, why should LFS be made a special exception just because half a dozen toss pots cant keep their mouth clean because they've got testosterone issues?

Heres proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWMlpqUO6AE

Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

TYPICAL LFS conversation:
1: fuk u
2: ****
1: wanker
2: blue flag moron! ****ING MOVE!
1: piss off
2: fu
3: calm down
1: fu 2
2: piss off wanker
1: shit head

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL

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I dont think watching online racing needs to be innapropriate though, does it?

Motor racing is a sport you can start to take part in competetive racing from the age of 8, it is a family sport, I should know as I was born into it. My mother was a socket set and my father a tub of Swarfega. My Dad raced, my brother races, I race, my sister chose kids and my Mum looks the other way, but we're a racing family like many others so as I grew up I spent many days at race tracks with my family, and later with my friends. It's a family sport, why should LFS be made a special exception just because half a dozen toss pots cant keep their mouth clean because they've got testosterone issues?

some of us have all the luck. I haven't even managed to get my parents to come and watch me sprinting. I used to play squash for Surrey and used to have to make my own way to tournaments!

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I always got the impression it was dirty old men that went to child porn websites, rather than other children.

I suppose it can happen accidently while trying to get informations about sex. I always hear about software filters to prevent childs to reach a porn or pedophile website accidently.

The truth of the matter is, it's about being a responsible adult and respectful to others. Now, at work, if we had a kick/ban filter for swearing, no one would be left in the plant, LOL. One of my work areas in particular, there is one older lady who works with us. When she is on shift, you won't hear 1 swear word all day. Perhaps someone may slip now and then, but everyone is respectful because they know she doesn't like to hear it.
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F**kin-A, the truth is, it's all about being a f**king responsible adult and f**king respectful to all the a**holes out there. Now, at work, f**k, if we had a f**king kick/ban filter bulls**t for the way we f**king talk, there wouldn't be anyone left in the f**king plant, LOL. One of my f**king work areas in particular, there is one fking older b**ch who works with us. When she is on f**king shift, you won't hear one f**king swear word all day. Perhaps someone may f**k up now and then, but everyone is f**king respectful of her s**t-a** attitude.
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It's no hard to do, not swearing, especially in typed text. Typed text takes more thought than actual verbal language. So, to swear in text, it's my opinion that it is deliberate, unlike in verbal where it may be habit. That above was actually quite hard to do as it took more thought to type the second thought than the first one. And not because of the asterisks, I typed it out then changed it all to asterisks.

Think of it this way. Would you talk to your mother or grandmother like that? In order to be respectful towards others, you need to talk to them as you would talk to your own mother or grandmother.

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I suppose it can happen accidently while trying to get informations about sex. I always hear about software filters to prevent childs to reach a porn or pedophile website accidently.

From what I understand, those same filters prevent you from going to legitimate sites quite frequently as well. They are more of a PITA than anything.

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The truth of the matter is, it's about being a responsible adult and respectful to others. Now, at work, if we had a kick/ban filter for swearing, no one would be left in the plant, LOL. One of my work areas in particular, there is one older lady who works with us. When she is on shift, you won't hear 1 swear word all day. Perhaps someone may slip now and then, but everyone is respectful because they know she doesn't like to hear it.
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Think of it this way. Would you talk to your mother or grandmother like that? In order to be respectful towards others, you need to talk to them as you would talk to your own mother or grandmother.

*Sigh* There ya go, talking sense agin. When will you learn?

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Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

TYPICAL LFS conversation:
1: fuk u
2: ****
1: wanker
2: blue flag moron! ****ING MOVE!
1: piss off
2: fu
3: calm down
1: fu 2
2: piss off wanker
1: shit head

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL

Yeah, i never see anything near this in LFS...I'd say 99% of the things said in LFS are just friendly convo or "good pass/race" etc.

Quote from Becky Rose :

Sure people swear, but not as much as they do in LFS.

Typical Real world conversation:
Mechanic: Ah me ****ing foot
Crew: LOL

Ok. You've been racing since eight. So. Can you remember when you where first exposed to 'foul' language. Where did you learn these words from?

I can't remember. Schoo, scouts, judo, grownups. . . . I learn't words from all over the place. You do as a child, you absorb. The important thing is is to teach you children what are good words and what are bad. My daughter will be using the word '****' at aged three, at least. It's my jpb to then explain to her that the word **** is a bad word and not to be used. She will get the word **** from anywhere. I can almost garantee that she won't get it from the internet or any game that she see's me playing. Where she will get it from is either from her older brother, playgroup, or from hearing it from someone walking down the street.

Language changes and mutates through the ages. TBH if the continued usage of extreme foul language continues on the 'net' then the actual potency is lost. I use language now that my parents (Apart from the fact they are christian) would never have deampt of using. They would have used ****** as a everydaqy term. But they wouldn't have used Gay. Now, I use Gay within everyday speech but will not use ******.

It's up to us, the parent, guardian, awe inspirer, to educate our youngsters in what lanhuage is appropiate.

I can't see how you can call LFS a simulation and not simulate everyday speech. I am sure tha language used by real racers is just as colourful, ifnot more, than what we are exposed to in LFS. If you don't want your nephews exposed to foul language then don't expose them to LFS....

It's part and parcel. You can't seperate the racing from the humanity. You can't use that as an escuse, 'Why can't my nephew watch racing without having to cope with the language' well, why should LFS have to deal with the language just so your nephew can watch?