Well, from a distant point of view, and taking psychologial blah blah into account, Alonso seemed to act like a young boy who's mother has forbidden to open the drawer with the chocolate in it. Such a boy would try and first touch the handle, pull it a bit, and always look at his mother's reaction. She will let him go on until a certain point.
I guess Alonso just tried to test the limits, and the Stewards made this penalty just for this testing of limits, which was obviously unnecessary.
Why not just be a fair gentleman and let the faster pass? Its also a bit of arrogance in there, maybe even Gay Flavio forced Alonso to do this....

The rocket start from Renault will put Alonso a couple of places ahead after T1 anyway...

Quote from ORION :

Why not just be a fair gentleman and let the faster pass?

Because it was in the last seconds of quali. As you can see in the 3rd picture, there are only 7 seconds left at the end of Parabolica.

If Alsonso would have let him pass, he probably wouldnt have been able to do another fast lap.

Quote from zeugnimod :

If Alsonso would have let him pass, he probably wouldnt have been able to do another fast lap.

And thats the reason the punishment is unfair !

Quote from zeugnimod :

If Alsonso would have let him pass, he probably wouldnt have been able to do another fast lap.

heh I thought it was his outlap... lol
didn't watch the quali though

It was an outlap, he made it past the line to the fast lap by 2 secs.

Quote from ORION :

Well, from a distant point of view, and taking psychologial blah blah into account, Alonso seemed to act like a young boy who's mother has forbidden to open the drawer with the chocolate in it. Such a boy would try and first touch the handle, pull it a bit, and always look at his mother's reaction. She will let him go on until a certain point.
I guess Alonso just tried to test the limits, and the Stewards made this penalty just for this testing of limits, which was obviously unnecessary.
Why not just be a fair gentleman and let the faster pass? Its also a bit of arrogance in there, maybe even Gay Flavio forced Alonso to do this....

The rocket start from Renault will put Alonso a couple of places ahead after T1 anyway...

I don't understand this post... Alonso hasn't come out saying anything yet and if he had the Media would have snapped it up.

Alonso was about 100 metres ahead of Massa, in the onboard video you can't even make his car out, I bet Massa didn't even know who it was.

Keiran

I smell, *sniff, sniff*, bullshit.

Quote from ORION :

heh I thought it was his outlap... lol
didn't watch the quali though

Uhm, just to clarify it for you.
Alonso had a puncture mid-session and thus lost much time, he left the pits with ~1:30 to go and came out in front of Massa.
So Massa was on his fast lap, while Alonso was on his outlap, but Alonso needed to push to cross the line before the time was up. (He was on 8th or something like that so he really needed another fast lap).

btw: Ross Brawn was interviewed by german television right after the qualy, and he said something like "Felipe's last lap was really destroyed by someone".
You can bet that he knew who it "was" and what he wanted to do

Regarding the ruling: I have no idea how the rule for blocking looks like.. maybe it says "Driver A, being on his outlap and seeing Driver B, being on his fast lap, in the mirror, has to let him by instantly" or something like that?
I don't think they can just say "We think you blocked him" and that's it.

What a load of complete and utter bullshit, no clue what Orion's post was about either

Alonso was not testing the stewards he was driving his outlap about 100m ahead ofMassa. How was Alonso meant to safely allow Massa to pass with that kind of gap, it would be extremely dangerous to let Massa past with that kind of speed differential anyway.

Quote from keiran :

I don't understand this post... Alonso hasn't come out saying anything yet and if he had the Media would have snapped it up.

Alonso was about 100 metres ahead of Massa, in the onboard video you can't even make his car out, I bet Massa didn't even know who it was.

Keiran

Alonso was quoted before the punishment:

"There is nothing to say. I think we need to wait until after the GP2 race to see.
Massa complained about me blocking his lap. I did my out lap to the maximum but I didn't block anyone.
He was 300 to 400 metres behind me so he got a better tow off me. There should be no complaint."

I haven't seen anything from Alonso since the punishment, but Pat Symonds has spoken his mind....and I can't blame him.

btw, wtf was alonso doing in that first chicane behind schumi? i think - went alonso went into the run-off and got his puncture/de-lamination.

Was a very weird incident illepall

He got a puncture on the straight, and as it lifted the front he had almost no braking. The puncture came before the escape road, not after it

Maybe the Ferrari has the old LFS aero bug? It's the only way I can see how Alonso could have been considered to impede Massa.

thats a complete ****ing joke, and pardon my french, but that is. Of course some twatish italian is going to give the ruling towards ferrari, 3 tenths my arse. and since when was that even a rule. In the first and second sessions, plenty of people caught traffic, and they all werent bumped 5 grid slots. its a complete joke.

So, does anyone out there still believe that the FIA don't favour Ferrari? The way I see it, Alonso went out with a heavy fuel load and a broken car and he drove a stunning lap to get 5th, a position from which he could win the race.
Then the cry-babies at Ferrari go running to the stewards to have him penalised for daring to be on track in front of Massa.

BTW, the reason two of the stewards have Italian sounding names is that the FIA appoint three stewards for each race...one is Tony Scott-Andrews, the FIA's permanent steward and two are picked from the local motorsport governing body.

of course it is. looking at the split times posted, he wasnt help up at all, never mind by 3 tenths. Formula 1 is just turning into a fixed ****ing joke. racing is hardly involved in it. all ferrari is to do is cry like a ****ing baby and get whatever they want.

out of interest, what did pat symonds say?

Its in this thread.

Post #14 by Keiran.

thats just a complete joke, no other way to describe it.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/johnny/Monza06_Q3_Massa.avi

how can any fair marshall look at that footage and say that alonso held him up. for half the lap you could hardly see him, never mind hold massa up. Cheating Scum is my opinion

There is no way massa was held up significantly on that lap.

watch this vid (posted by J.B. in another thread) http://rapidshare.de/files/31570205/...l_lap.wmv.html

that shows how it should look if your being held up by another driver.

in the onboard lap vid with massa you can barely see the renault infront except at the slow chicanes.

Martin Brundle even commented that Massa wasn't close enough to get a tow from Alonso down the S/F straight.

I think this is a really stupid decision by the race stewards as it just detracts even more credibility from F1

Ferrari is run by the Mafia, i think the FIA are just puppets

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Ferrari is run by the Mafia, i think the FIA are just puppets

Apparently someone made an offer that Mosley couldn't refuse.

Quote from ORION :

Well, from a distant point of view, and taking psychologial blah blah into account, Alonso seemed to act like a young boy who's mother has forbidden to open the drawer with the chocolate in it. Such a boy would try and first touch the handle, pull it a bit, and always look at his mother's reaction. She will let him go on until a certain point.
I guess Alonso just tried to test the limits, and the Stewards made this penalty just for this testing of limits, which was obviously unnecessary.
Why not just be a fair gentleman and let the faster pass? Its also a bit of arrogance in there, maybe even Gay Flavio forced Alonso to do this....

The rocket start from Renault will put Alonso a couple of places ahead after T1 anyway...

Limits, lol, woaow, you'd be just as bad as them, infact, they talk alot more sense than you have in this post.

Things like this really cannot be justified, he was miles ahead ahead of him and caused no obstruction to him whatsoever. And testing the limits? Man he crossed the line with 2 seconds to start his flying lap and he was at leats 2 seconds ahead of Massa.

Looking forward for the race but I got very worried when I heard that Kimi is driving with a new engine version. I'll bet 2 cookies that it won't last the race.

Mercedes and reliability

Even if it does last (gasp! :o) I bet he'll end up tripping over a backmarker.. :rolleyes:

I'll still support him