This qualification system leaves too much things to subjetive interpretation, now I remenber Michael in Monaco, Fisichella and ¿Villeneuve?, now Alonso and Massa, and some others I can't remeber... The classic one lap qualifying was better IMO, just you and the track.

There are more discussions about rules, penalties and everything than racetrack ones... this should mean something, too bad for the sport in general . A race with a couple of overtakes is now considered a "good" race... it is nonsense.

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It seems that the FIA keep coming up with new rules to try and screw renualt Up

I must have missed the "Renault, blow Alonso's engine"-decision.

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I must have missed the "Renault, blow Alonso's engine"-decision.

That was just luck. Once the official ECU comes it will carry a small amount of remote controlled explosives that can blow the engine of any "undesired" leader.

Well, at least the engine-failure stopped all the talkings about the penalty.

Vain

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That was just luck. Once the official ECU comes it will carry a small amount of remote controlled explosives that can blow the engine of any "undesired" leader.

Well, at least the engine-failure stopped all the talkings about the penalty.

Vain

No, now the engine failure is because of the penalty - otherwise Alonso wouldn't have had to push harder. Anyone know if this is the second race for Michael's engine also? It seems that Alonso's last race engine for the year will only have to do one race so they might be able to wind it up a bit more...

It was a 2nd race engine for MSC as well. So now there is no difference between engines in Brazil.

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While I agree that the decision about Alonso's times is weird, we should not bend facts for past races. Look at the footage of the incident between Heidfeld and MSC again and you will see that it was HEI slipping wide when he made the pass and not MSC causing the touch between the two cars.

Well I was talking about the Schumacher cutting the chicnae to pass Perdo but if you want to go down this lane then take a look at the videos closely and slowly. Schumacher squeezed Nick onto the wet kerb while under full braking power, what else was going to happen? Nick had no reason not to go for it as he was well down the inside.

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Yep in my opinion is the real world champion 2005 Kimi and Alonso just became world champion because of his Luck and not with his driving skills

What are you on about? So why didn't Fisi challenge the WDC if Alonso wasn't required to use any of his driving skills illepall

Alonso dominated from the start of the season and McLaren failed to get there championship off the ground. Eventually they found pace but also had lots of relability problems.

If you hadn't realised the team play as big a part as the driver in a team sport. It's the whole package that wins.

Not a single person ITV interviewed agreed with this penalty and I'll be watching very closely in the next few qualifying sessions that no car is within 100 metres of each other.

I like how the chicane cutting rule works now since Schumacher got off with it illepall As long as your ahead before you cut the corner it's alright, hell why not just go in super hot so your ahead before you cut the corner

Alonso: I no longer consider F1 a sport - Couldn't put it better myself!

You're making quite a bit of fuss about it for a man who doesnt consider it a sport.

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You're making quite a bit of fuss about it for a man who doesnt consider it a sport.

So what? I've watched Formula One for longer than I can remember, followed it closely and I'm only 17.

Like any young karter ask them what they want to do when they are older and most will say race an F1 car. That sport is looked upon by many young hopefuls and is without a doubt probably the most known and classed as top motorsport, well in europe anyway. It gets to a sad state of affaris when the decisions made by a proffessional governing body can't be explained properly and nor can any other driver/team see the wrond doing excpet the red ones.

Attached is an image somone claims it's from the stickers on the Renault laptop, whether that is true or not I don't know but if it's
Keiran

Yes, it is true.

They showed it during the last 30 minutes before the start, I think.

LOL That's a display pic if ever there was one...


They ban alonso for having large eyebrows next, claiming it's a moving aerodynamic part...

Yes, and they probably will completely ignore Schumacher's chin.

I watched the qualification session and also have to agree that the "blocking" penalty is ridiculous. Alonso was well ahead of Massa, which was obvious from the on-board shots, and he was certainly not lagging and forcing Massa to slow because he was rushing to the start/finish so he could do his last hot lap. Renault's telemetry shows that Massa never got within 93 meters of him. illepall I don't know about conspiracy theories, but it's certainly a very poor ruling on the officials' part. After Massa's pole/win at Turkey he said he wanted to do anything he could to help M. Schumaker get his (final) championship -- What a shame if the team is resorting to "tactics" like this to get the win. Do they think Michael's driving can't do it? I don't; he's a fantastic driver and I'm going to be sorry to see him leave the car. I think it would be awesome if he does win the championship in his last year, but not if the team is doing silly crap like whining about "blocking" and such.

Stupid me forgot to rewind the tape for my recording of the GP2/F1/GT this morning, so I missed it all! :slap: From what I've seen of the highlights though looks like I missed an interesting race. Too bad for Alonso's motor I would have liked to see him claw his way to the front despite starting way back there; though I guess it was probably a combination between running the new spec and presumably not tested as thoroughly engine and pushing it as hard as he must have been to get up to... what was it, 3rd?

Congratulations to Mr. Kubica; maybe Scawen's already gotten the Patch V BF1 to him or something?

This summed it up for me.

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Alonso left Monza with a bitter taste in his mouth and admitted before the race he had lost faith in F1 as a sporting contest.
"I am a sportsman. I love sport, I love the fans. I don't consider Formula One like a sport anymore," said Alonso.
The Spaniard said he felt Renault were being singled out, and pointed to a number of other decisions that had gone against them since mid-season.
"Many things happen in the last few months against one team with no explanation," Alonso said, "and I think the image for people from the outside is that F1 has a little bit too much politics."

He did enough rubish as well, what's not sportsman like. He gotta shut up.

BTW: If he would be really a sportsman and loss some weight, he would be fast enough to beat Schumacher

it's fun how everyone jumps up, when something bad happens to Alonso from the stewarts etc. but if Alonso tricks schumi into penalty for passing in training under red, or breaking in front of some other driver just cause he's pissed, it's ok?

COME ON! Alonso actually did already several things on the track, which puts him on the same level of "hard" on track behaviour like schumacher at this age. There is almost no difference. Now be happy, the championship is open, and we will get a final great fight of good racers in the last 3 races of this season. While I consider Ferrari in better position, cause their third driver Kimi gets up to the same level of speed

I've seen a post on F1-Live blaming Schumi for brake testing Alonso, which caused him to overshoot the chicane. What a frikken FOOL. Alonso nearly hit Schumi when his tyre deflated, not because Schumi did any brake testing... And then people wonder why I think a lot of F1 fans haven't got a clue about F1.

I agree however, that Massa wasn't penalised by Alonso, although I can see that the turbulence would cause a smidgen of understeer in Parabolica. But the subsequent tow ould have made up for it in my opinion. But that does matter as the Renault went Bang, and Massa locked his tyres up...

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Ditto. I couldn't agree more. Point B) I disagree on, the penalty seemed ok at the time from what I remember....but that is a minor point IMO anyway.

And your sig sums it all up for me in terms of what the end of this season has become. If I were Alonso/Renault I would have taken far more drastic action against the stewards decision. I would have considered boycotting the race as a threat to get the penalty repealled. Obviously they wouldn't have taken that risk, but they really should have kicked up alot more fuss in order to get some action taken.

And for the record im a neutral! Kimi or Coulthard ftw! Williams for the finish!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BZWo7f5yI4

In no way did Alonso try to pass that STR, it let him pass. He isn't even reving the engine that hard and his split time is a mile down... It is a slight minor point but when you look back over the season so far the only team to be disadvantaged is Renault and those 3 points to me stand out as not being explained correctly.

Yes he let him past, but IMO the rules(! - for Renault :razz are so inflexible on what the situation is at the time that he had to be punished. I half agree with you, but it would take way too long to explain anymore

IMO the other 2 points are obvious enough that you don't need the other.

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So far there are three penalties/bans that I've yet to see any decent proof towards:

A) Ban of mass damper system - That rule and the logic the FIA used means that anything moving which influences the aerodynamics is not allowed. Well I bet that steering wheel, brake pedal and throttle pedal have a bigger influence.

B) 1 second penalty for overtaking under yellows. The STR moved out of the way and slowed down, what was Alonso supposed to do? Brake test following cars in an acceleration zone? Oh wait he just got a penalty for that. They should be asked the STR driver why he did that, as it showed me he didn't see the yellow flags.

C) Forcing Alonso to 10th by removing his three fastest times for something which he didn't do. Now the FIA will have there hands full when every driver who makes a slight mistake blames the car 100 metres ahead of him for it after going back to the garage to find out who it was.

You forgot Ferrari's wheel hub covers. If they're part of the wheel then they're illegal because wheels must be made of a single material. If they're part of the brake cooling system then Ferrari break the parc ferme rules each time they change the wheels during a race. Either way they're illegal, yet the FIA don't do anything about it.

I really, really hope Alonso wins the championship this year. Then I hope Ross Brawn and Max Moseley follow Schumi into retirement.

I think it's awful that Kimi is going to Ferrari. How can I support him if he's driving for a team for whom 'sport' means nothing?

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If Mosley retires, Jean Todt is the most likely person to take over his job at the FIA.

Argh! Yes! I'd forgotten about all those stories from a few years ago :doh:

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And then people wonder why I think a lot of F1 fans haven't got a clue about F1.

I would be safe to say the vast majority of fans for f1 don't have a clue. They simply have not been in anything as near as fast as these cars are. You can't include any of us, as we don't feel the G-Forces.

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Alonso has been a fair sportsman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feslxpzokuk

Yeah, sure...

Wake up, he is as fair, as Schumi is. And that is a real red flag overtake with "Full" speed, while Alonso was driving as fast as possible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI2t4Syw7QY

Now, gimme another 1000 words on how fair Alonso is, and Schumi isnt or whatever. On my point of view both are on a same level in terms of ruthlessness.

In the second video there Alonso is just driving slowly, Schumacher passes not 1 car, not 2, but 3! My mind thinks back to that Monaco and Montoya being brake tested in the dark of the tunnel by a certain red car.

I dont understand how showing a video of Schumacher cheating proves anything against Alonso?

In the first video Alonso is clearly annoyed with Dornbos, but it doesn't show why. I imagine Alonso had been held up considerably, he's not known for loosing his cool afterall - neither is Schumacher in fairness.

What I find most interesting about the extremely frustrating string of FIA decisions is the Schumacher - De la Rossa incident. The rules got changed on the fly to allow Schumacher to get away with it, so Alonso goes and exploits that at Monza, the irony of it did make me giggle .