Nah, it was only a joke to relax a seriuos post
I think no one is to blame for nowadays situation, at least not a small group of people.Nah, it was only a joke to relax a seriuos post
I think no one is to blame for nowadays situation, at least not a small group of people.Yes it is disrepectful. I mean, lets take the TwinTowers for example as it is the topic here (somehow), so many people died, so many people lost friends and family members and even if i do not know a single person i feel very sorry, more then that i am convinced that i am sincere sorry about all the loss and pain and thats how i show respect to those people, even if i do not know them or will even meet them That also shows me, that im not a sick braindead person, running around and giving a shiet at everything and everyone. Thats not my personal main goal but a nice side effect.
Think about the butterfly effect, tiny things are responsible for the big bang. Your life for example, born to die, which means everything inside your body has a timeline and when its over its over. Its such a slow process that you do not even notice that youre getting older when youre watching in the mirror day by day. And you can compare this expample with any other processes, some may happen fast, you can see what happen because of sights, but if there are no sights are you aware of noticing a process at all?
So i see myself as a piece of a chain in this world, im doing misstakes but im learning and the main goal of that is to act like this is not my world but the world of everybody and nobody at the same time. Everything is nothing without Teamwork and i see the mankind as a team so why should we not work together? Because of Classifications?
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As I always say: The goal of terrorism is to make people panic, paranoid and feel unsafe... From the looks of this thread and many other opinions I've heard since 9/11, they don't need fighting any more... They already won... 
I'm not disagreeing with you for a moment, but there's a fundamental difference in understanding about what 9/11 means to Americans. While I'm not American, I was living over there, and working right next to Chicago's O'Hare airport. I shared in the experience that day, and the memory of the feeling in my stomach will never leave me.
I left work early on 9/11 because the schools were all in lock-down (meaning the doors were closed, and kids took their breaks inside instead of outside), and I picked my kids up. My kids hadn't been told anything about what had happened that morning.. that was my job.
The world looked different, driving home that day, from how it had looked on the way in to work - I remember it so clearly. The difference was stark and horrible. I'll never forget the sense of uncertainty.. of dreadful loss.. confusion.. vulnerability. There were so many negative sensations, and there was nothing familiar about any of them, and everybody around you felt them in the same way, and none of us had any convincing words of comfort for each other. It was like we were all in a 747, at 40,000 feet, and the engines all dropped off. We were in free-fall. We didn't know what the future held, but we knew it wasn't good, and we knew that things - ALL things we depended on for normality - would never be the same again.
The 9/11 experience came all at once. To everyone we knew, it was completely out of the blue, and it happened to us all in the same way - everyone's friends and neighbours, in one massive bolt of shared horror. It can't be compared with many other terrorist events, because of the scale of the thing and also because of the impact it had on the American society - the difference between before and after.
The WTC has had zero effect on my life. It has not changed me in any way. This is simply because the whole thing is so distant, happened so far away and had zero connection to anything around me. I feel sorry that people had to die, mothers, children, fathers, families etc.. But in the end all these sad things live very short time before they are forgotten. Or then there is the next new catastrophe. Even if the amount of people who were and got involved in the WTC attack is quite huge, it is still a drop in the sea if compared to people dying hunger etc...
That is just talk
. Just like my answer above.Well dude, i allready told you that you dont get it and still youre to far away from it. You think distance is unit thats makes you save from terrorism? It might has not changed you personally, right now, (are you really sure with that?) but i does changed everything around your fantasy land mate. Terrorism and its threat has changed from this point and the World has to face a new enemy. Its not a enemy you can find on maps or globes because he is over us, below us, on our sides and in between the society which also means, in the politics. Thats far more dangerous then everything else before from my point of view but well we can deal with these idiots (i hope), we have to, but do you know where this story (could) end? I dont want to know that rly.
Btw, Warlords are independent and they dont rly care who to sell the stuff.
Another thought, if all this war and terrorism shit stops tomorrow, what would we do with all the money that left or appears which had been spend in wars, weapons you name it(!) ?
Sure its talk, everything is, read it, think about it or scroll down to the next post i dont really care, youre not the only person thats reading this. I dont want to change you or anybody, but i think i can do this as well as everybody else.
Cheers and good night mate.
straight up **** you. why is this a competition between which caused the most deaths? does it make you proud that your country had worse terrorist attacks? 9/11 was a horrible day and for you to say were overreacting is ****ing disrespectful.
You're right, the burning fuel isn't capable of reaching the melting point of steel. However the fuel can reach a temp hot enough to decrease the strength of steel and expand the steel. The decrease in strength will cause the beams to sag, and the expansion will crack the concrete walls the beams are inserted in.
for those Americans whose relatives/friends died. 10 times more people of which most are children die daily of hunger, that's horrible.
Comparing that is just nonesense. But thats not the point, is the Extent of destruction important or decisive for the Attention we have to assign?
Besides that, in a land without effectively birth control and with such a poor infrastructure its unavoidably that people gone die. Not speaking about Diseases and other horrible things. But the world is not looking away and say damn who cares, there is money to spend, and people spend alot, but its not enough. Its a exponential process, the more money comes, the more people have been allready born.
No, that isn't what I was thinking at all. Even after the event. The Al Qeeda message was one I totally ignored out of dissinterest, I was shocked, amased, and distraught at the deaths. Just as I always am when things like this happen, but you know what I really thought? I thought "thats great", because I saw straight away that American people would stop funding the IRA and that would cause hostilities to dry up and help bring about peace, that's what I thought, and if ONLY 3000 people had to die to bring about peace, that was bloody excellent, if they didn't even have to be Irish people, or Brits, better still. Sad isn't it, but that's what I was thinking on the day and those following the Twin Towers attack.
I dont think any country should take part in any kind of war, but I dont think Germans should worry about the stigma of something 6 decades ago. Sure i'm a Brit so i'll rib you for it, i'll "not mention the war" along with the best of bulldog spirit, but the key difference between events then and events now in the Police nanny state that I live in is that the German Reich never got away with it when they tried. History is written by the victor.
To be clear I dont think anyone is comparing different attacks and then waving the victim flag with an "I had it worst" plackard.
Well, downing 4 airliners, 3 of them on buildings which are sort of "symbols" sure does get more attention than "bum freezes to death/dies from malnourishment in New York alley"
Is it more tragic that people can die like that in "the civilized west"?
And, sadly, the more money they get the more they rely on it directly without doing anything to help themselves. It's a vicious circle. Ask relief workers who've been to such areas. Soon they get looked upon as a walking feedbag and soon after as a living wallet.
Not to mention that alot of the money is lost in the system before it reaches the intended targets. And what about their local "governments"? Another macabre joke. Atleast in African states.
But you are right - there's no point in comparing two different situations just for the sake of saying "there's worse". There's always worse.
Krhm.. In a land which oppresses other countries, messes with internal affairs of independent nations, loathes social wellfare and rights of poor to benefit the rich elite, its unavoidable that people are going to die.
And no, I don't blame americans or USA as such. I blame the rich custards who get more and more power- and moneyhungry. Eventually the aristocrats will get overthrown by the oppressed masses. And after that, new aristocrats will rise among the masses. A constant loop.
I never thought of shifting the blame on confectionery products - that's quite interesting.
Onward with the pastry revolution, comrades!
@510N3D
I've just read through your posts on this thread and I can't find any common line there. You say I live in fantasy world and then you give me that philosophical bull****.
I just can't get any grip of you, you're like a slimy fish who just jumps into another pool when people start asking too hard questions.
My first answer was pure and honest and, imho, describes perfectly how modern day people only care about themselves. By reading your posts it seems to me that you cannot relate or understand at all how hard life can be for someone who were just born into wrong place. You just keep talking about terrorism. If you have time to worry about bombs and make yourself look worried about it, you are doing quite well.
If you want to look at terrorism as some kind of beast with only goal to destroy and rape, then you have got it. Wish all the things were that easy. Makes it easy though. With faceless enemies, you will never have to deal with them personally. There is a threat somewhere, omg.
I've just read through your posts on this thread and I can't find any common line there. You say I live in fantasy world and then you give me that philosophical bull****.
I just can't get any grip of you, you're like a slimy fish who just jumps into another pool when people start asking too hard questions.
My first answer was pure and honest and, imho, describes perfectly how modern day people only care about themselves. By reading your posts it seems to me that you cannot relate or understand at all how hard life can be for someone who were just born into wrong place. You just keep talking about terrorism. If you have time to worry about bombs and make yourself look worried about it, you are doing quite well.
If you want to look at terrorism as some kind of beast with only goal to destroy and rape, then you have got it. Wish all the things were that easy. Makes it easy though. With faceless enemies, you will never have to deal with them personally. There is a threat somewhere, omg.
Funny to see how you reduce everything i said to a single sentence and then judge me beside that you do not understand me at all and thats why its useless to go on with this conversation. My english is not that good so i tried to give you examples and not difficult words nobody (more or less) understands without asking google...like i do more then often. You may be honest, but youre only speaking for yourself or the people you know but you cant generalize it. That would mean im thinking the same way you do, which is not true. I am 24 years old and live in ex-eastern germany so i do know how hard it is to be born in the wrong place. And yes, since the politicans in germany are planning to be part of the anti-terrorism war i do worrier about attacks that could happen here in germany as well.
You say you wish everything would be that easy? What do you mean? Do you mean the superficially kind of thinking about terrorism and its thread from youre side? If you think terrorism do not affect you or your country then youre definitely wrong but and thats what i mean when i say youre living in fantasy land. Noting personal ok just to the kind of you.
If thats true and ((what was it finnland(?)) will be omitted by terrorism, great i think i need to leave this country in future and visit yours
Anyway mate, nothing personal, its just the kind of youre thinking that makes me a bit angry.
And in case i am a slimy fish, i would not strive myself and think about this topic, your comments and everything related to this.
I think we should worry. In fact, if everyone worried about history, the world would be a better place.
This is actually on of the few things I really like about Germany, along with the low level of patriotism, although it goes too far sometimes (don't you ever criticise the Isreali government!!).
On the other hand it didn't stop us from being involved in Bosnia or Afghanistan..
Anyway, if you compare that with what GB thinks about the "good old" days of the British Empire and Colonialism, or how Napoleon is still a hero in France, how Franco is not frowned upon in Spain - I much prefer the German way.
But you're right - it probably only happens when you lose WW2..
Woaow, what an interesting thread, alot of differt views and opinions on the twin towers and lots of other acts of terrorism and stuff like that.
I watched that loose change video and to start with I beleived it, but then after reading stuff on here and other peoples views I don't know what to think. What I don't understand is how 2 planes crashed that day and totaly disintigrated without a trace of plane being there and this was the only day it has ever happend. Also don't understand why video tapes from the gas station outside the Pentagon and a hotel had their security camera videos taken off them and they only release I few images, it would settle alot of they just showed the whole thing.
However, I agree with Hyperactive with his 1st post. I don't worry about an attack on Scotland to be honest, I worry more about the local BP blowing up (As it's been close to it before) and wiping us out (I live about 10 miles from it too) than a terrorist attack on Scotland.
I guess it's all about where you live and what hot spots you have, like New York or London, therefor someone from New York wont really be able to have a decent argument/discussion from someone form a low risk area like Finland or wherever.
I think everyone just has to realise that these things are based on opinions and in a place like this most people will share them and as I pointed out, your opinion will differ depending by the place you live.
I watched that loose change video and to start with I beleived it, but then after reading stuff on here and other peoples views I don't know what to think. What I don't understand is how 2 planes crashed that day and totaly disintigrated without a trace of plane being there and this was the only day it has ever happend. Also don't understand why video tapes from the gas station outside the Pentagon and a hotel had their security camera videos taken off them and they only release I few images, it would settle alot of they just showed the whole thing.
However, I agree with Hyperactive with his 1st post. I don't worry about an attack on Scotland to be honest, I worry more about the local BP blowing up (As it's been close to it before) and wiping us out (I live about 10 miles from it too) than a terrorist attack on Scotland.
I guess it's all about where you live and what hot spots you have, like New York or London, therefor someone from New York wont really be able to have a decent argument/discussion from someone form a low risk area like Finland or wherever.
I think everyone just has to realise that these things are based on opinions and in a place like this most people will share them and as I pointed out, your opinion will differ depending by the place you live.
I agree, I don't fear a terrorist attack here in Berlin either.
Well, maybe on the U.S. Embassy, but they have locked down the whole street in front of it since 9/11.
On the other hand we recently had some bombs (that didn't explode) in train stations all over the country..
Well, maybe on the U.S. Embassy, but they have locked down the whole street in front of it since 9/11.
On the other hand we recently had some bombs (that didn't explode) in train stations all over the country..
Can´t read this without making a comment about it. There were a lot of terrible torror acts (called war) in the history of humans. But the biggest terroract was definatly the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
@Deppchef: Which bombs? http://www.freace.de/artikel/200608/260806a.html
Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed 10,000 people and saved 25,000,000 est. They are an example of how weapons of terror can be used for good, that sounds harsh, but if the emporor lost control of the Generals as appeared to be happening the Japanese would literally have lined up man woman and child on the beaches and told them to charge. I won't argue that the only reason they where good was because the world was already in a horrible mess, and I wont argue the loss of so many people wasn't tragic either, but I do think they where necessary.
You do raise a valid point though, and it's one I think is actually summed up best - suprisingly - by a line in a James Bond film, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.".
During these heated times it is often easy to forget that the margins between "us" and "them" are not that wide, as the 'discussion' of the Irish situation above showed. It's too easy to stick a label on the 'other' side and brand them a terrorist.
Is running down my street with a chainsaw chopping off heads an act of terrorism? Or an act of psychopathia? The answer lies in whether i'm wearing a turban when I do it...
You do raise a valid point though, and it's one I think is actually summed up best - suprisingly - by a line in a James Bond film, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.".
During these heated times it is often easy to forget that the margins between "us" and "them" are not that wide, as the 'discussion' of the Irish situation above showed. It's too easy to stick a label on the 'other' side and brand them a terrorist.
Is running down my street with a chainsaw chopping off heads an act of terrorism? Or an act of psychopathia? The answer lies in whether i'm wearing a turban when I do it...
?? Excuse Me but thats not quite true. I could not believe this Number so i checked wiki, here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A ... of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
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just to deal with the correct numbers. As for the rest of your post, good points and i have to agree on some of them but i will not discuss about the things i dont like. I know where this will/ could end....i better go back to the oval now.
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I have never seen a woman wearing a turban but you could show me that, maybe i can see you on CNN tomorrow?
I also dont worry too much about an attack here even though we have had the 7/7 bombing but i am talking about the city. Although Portsmouth is a naval base it could possibly be a target but i do not let the thought of a terrorist attack happening here enter my mind. You cant live your life and fear that an terrorist attack is going to happen. This makes makes the terrorist win as they would win on psychological basis. Analyzing whether the UK is more likely to be a victim of terrorist, yes more likely now with the two wars and constant support for America and Israel.
I am more worried about the nuclear submarines that are docked here in the harbour about half a mile from the house than terrorists stricking Portsmouth.
Some one above said that we should fear history, i think we shouldnt fear it but we should learn from it and amend our ways otherwise we will be looking at ww3 which by the way has already started with this war on terror which by the way will never be won unless all of the rich countries who think they rule this planet change their foreign policy and if you happen to live in one of those countries you will be more likely to suffer a terrorist attack.
I am more worried about the nuclear submarines that are docked here in the harbour about half a mile from the house than terrorists stricking Portsmouth.
Some one above said that we should fear history, i think we shouldnt fear it but we should learn from it and amend our ways otherwise we will be looking at ww3 which by the way has already started with this war on terror which by the way will never be won unless all of the rich countries who think they rule this planet change their foreign policy and if you happen to live in one of those countries you will be more likely to suffer a terrorist attack.
Althought 510N3D beat me to the gross reduction in number of deaths (both direct and indirect which is over 20x the 10k you mention), I'll stand on the subject of using a nuclear weapon attack.
They used nuclear devices. Some might say "they didn't know", which is partially crap because they did know it would be harmful, far more so than anything Japan had done to the US at the time (China gets the Japanese animosity award - check out the concentration camps they had set up for them, "let's test the effect of high atmospheric pressure on humans"). And it was directly targetted on a city without a specific target in that city (say a factory, or a military installation). It was meant to affect the civilian population directly and incite terror, plain and simple.
Sure, to live is risc, its not that im shutting every door and window and living in "fantasy land" now (my own tiny world in other words), its more that i try to argue with this topic which is better then ignoring it or seeing it as just another mainstream appearance. As for the fear of history, we should keep that in a healty way because fear only exists to save us and not to intimidate and demoralize us.
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