This statement is rediculous. Pit errors happen all the time to any team or driver. It is not at all uncommon to strip a wheel nut in exactly the same way as happened in Alonso's pit stop. Furthermore, Renault want to win the driver's and constructor's championships. No way would they jeopardise those titles on purpose or to get revenge on the third best driver in F1. It was a simple error, no matter how conspiratorial you wish F1 to be, there is nothing particularly strange about a botched pit stop.
This statement is rediculous. Pit errors happen all the time to any team or driver. It is not at all uncommon to strip a wheel nut in exactly the same way as happened in Alonso's pit stop. Furthermore, Renault want to win the driver's and constructor's championships. No way would they jeopardise those titles on purpose or to get revenge on the third best driver in F1. It was a simple error, no matter how conspiratorial you wish F1 to be, there is nothing particularly strange about a botched pit stop.
I'm surprised I remembered that anyway, was falling asleep every now and then for a lap or two 
Digital steering, hmmm..... That's practically keyboard steering!
TBH, Alonso's no:
1. Aryton Senna
2. Micheal Schumacher
3. Alain Prost
4. Jenson Button
In short, he's nothing special. For the record, I happen to have seen some telemetry on MS's driving and it was some of the most extraordinary left foot braking and throttle control I've ever seen. Amazingly subtle left foot braking, how he never goes completely off throttle. Barichello's telemetry looks as if he dances around the brake and throttle like an ordinary right foot braker, never exploiting the full weight shift and tractive control benefits if left foot braking.
Jenson Button. Given a good and consistant car on a track he knows, he could easily lap it within 0.2 seconds of each other for 6 laps straight or more. He's one of the guys who don't need traction control quite as much as most of the current F-1 field. Problem is, he's got even worse luck then Alonso.
If Jenson Button was given a top level car like the Ferraris, Mclarens or Renaults, F-1 would have been much more interesting.
Then there's Aryton Senna. A true legend, one who controls cars like his own limbs. The angrier he gets, the FASTER he gets, unlike most drivers that simply mess up when they lose their cool.
Just my opinion on the subject of who's the better driver.
TBH, Alonso's no:
1. Aryton Senna
2. Micheal Schumacher
3. Alain Prost
4. Jenson Button
In short, he's nothing special. For the record, I happen to have seen some telemetry on MS's driving and it was some of the most extraordinary left foot braking and throttle control I've ever seen. Amazingly subtle left foot braking, how he never goes completely off throttle. Barichello's telemetry looks as if he dances around the brake and throttle like an ordinary right foot braker, never exploiting the full weight shift and tractive control benefits if left foot braking.
Jenson Button. Given a good and consistant car on a track he knows, he could easily lap it within 0.2 seconds of each other for 6 laps straight or more. He's one of the guys who don't need traction control quite as much as most of the current F-1 field. Problem is, he's got even worse luck then Alonso.
If Jenson Button was given a top level car like the Ferraris, Mclarens or Renaults, F-1 would have been much more interesting.
Then there's Aryton Senna. A true legend, one who controls cars like his own limbs. The angrier he gets, the FASTER he gets, unlike most drivers that simply mess up when they lose their cool.
Just my opinion on the subject of who's the better driver.
very good race i feel bad for takumi sato. lol. I wonder is it mostly him or the car or a combination... why is the pace sooo bad? not just the pace but it seems like he spends more time off road and sideways than most wrc drivers.
i feel bad for takumi sato. lol. I wonder is it mostly him or the car or a combination... why is the pace sooo bad? not just the pace but it seems like he spends more time off road and sideways than most wrc drivers.1. Aryton Senna
2. Micheal Schumacher
3. Alain Prost
4. Jenson Button
Are u kidding? Jenson does not even come close to being on this list. He has won ONE gp.
illepall
2. Micheal Schumacher
3. Alain Prost
4. Jenson Button
Are u kidding? Jenson does not even come close to being on this list. He has won ONE gp.
illepallWell, Jenson is as soft as a pudding when it comes to defending his position. He really needs to work on that before he can deam of being a winner.
I really hope that Kimi gets a good car next year. because all the McLaren years must have been mentally hard for him. And I really hope that Kubica gets to show how good he is, so far his driving has been amazing
I really hope that Kimi gets a good car next year. because all the McLaren years must have been mentally hard for him. And I really hope that Kubica gets to show how good he is, so far his driving has been amazing
Button? Hohoohoohhooooo, as Hyper said he is softie. Never fights for the position and gives up too easily when someone is overtaking him...or just driving behind. He never even tries to overtake, unlike Räikkönen who again did the only overtaking in the race before the McLaren desided to give up. Obviously the best driver at the moment with Schumi, blody Alonso is is not that great, he just had more luck and better car when he took the title.
Hahaha, true, because Schumi is --said-- to be retiring because of his Rascasse "Hax" (and dissapointment for the sport), and now that he has a chance to regain his "sportsmanship/skill" appeal... he has something to prove now (even more-so because of his announced retirement) alongside his FIA buddies. It just seems to me that because of his poor mid-season performance and controversial moments, the FIA wants to make the season less "boring" and at least have a decent fight for the championship.... thus Renault/Alonso's car has been shafted (downgraded/banned features) purposely in spite of this in my opinion. Speculation on my part, but many people believe this. Honestly, this season was looking rather bland in the beginning because as much as Alonso can be successful, having yet another season of Alonso winning fluently and effortlessly is just plain annoying for an F1 season (if he still wins this season, I don't mind, but at the rate of his success at the beginning of 06, it was pretty pointless to watch). And F1 is becoming more and more worried about rules, passing, and making it on-edge-excitement for fans and spectators.
I think Alonso still has a good car to be honest.... even without his magical parts and mods, but the pressure, outburts, and dissapointments are becoming a big heavy weight on Renault's shoulders and hopes... and lately, in return they are now riddled with mistakes that is costing them dearly. Maybe Renault has been pretty fair the entire season, but ehh... F1 these days is full of controversy, the "car", and rules, while not enjoying the talent of the drivers themselves (this I miss).
Everything which surrounds the drivers just makes them look good and bad, and that just makes it harder to choose a favorite:
Alonso
Good: Previous champion, huge number of Renault & Spanish fans
Bad: Car controversy, penalties, outbursts, eyebrows, etc....
Schumacher
Good: Fans, Ferrari, past wins/history
Bad: Controversy of both car and driver, penalties, FIA's royalty
Raikkonen
Good: People want him to win because we know he is fast and has talent
Bad: McLaren of course, fans just want this season over with and him to hop in the Ferrari... and Kimi probably feels the same
Button
Good: English have someone to cheer for, 1st and only win /w lucky charms
Bad: Honda, most fans have lost hope and find someone else to blame
Speed (heh I gotta add this)
Good: n/a
Bad: Poor example of an American driver, he has a common case of F1 brain freeze (gone to his head), team/drivers haven't scored a single point, he's an idiot.
Of course he has a good point about him! His name just sounds so cool for a race-car driver... ;>
One last comment about the Schumi/FIA/Ferrari subject. Imho, it is all down to FIA and the FIA's disability to make any good long-term decisions or to make good fast decisions on anything. The USA gp "catastrophe", the Alonso/Massa incident, switching back and forth with the qualification systems etc. all just prove that the FIA is incapable of keeping any consistancy with their decisions and rules.
I wouldn't be surprized at all if the FIA would tell us that in 2008 they are using 4.0 litre turbo engines, slick tires and...
With FIA, the left and the right hand are doing same thing at the same time with different outcomes, all the time. And it's been all the same for decades...
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Or misleading
I wouldn't be surprized at all if the FIA would tell us that in 2008 they are using 4.0 litre turbo engines, slick tires and...
With FIA, the left and the right hand are doing same thing at the same time with different outcomes, all the time. And it's been all the same for decades...
EDIT:
Or misleading
Brilliant and very entertaining race, there was hardly one lap _without_ action.
On a more biased note I think it's fantastic to see a certain team struggling to beat one single man
. Owned on both driving (looking at the two magnificent overtaking manouvres - edge of your seat stuff) and tactics (not changing the tyres).
I know it was lucky that the track dried up otherwise I think Schumi would have been lapped, but I think he's used every opportunity to the max in this race.
Damn, how I'm gonna miss this man
On a more biased note I think it's fantastic to see a certain team struggling to beat one single man
. Owned on both driving (looking at the two magnificent overtaking manouvres - edge of your seat stuff) and tactics (not changing the tyres).I know it was lucky that the track dried up otherwise I think Schumi would have been lapped, but I think he's used every opportunity to the max in this race.
Damn, how I'm gonna miss this man
keiran: Alonso wanted new tires, that's what he and his team said. Cause they were worn down. So this was his "wrong" decision in the first place which caused the bad balance after it. Even if they discussed it in the team etc.
Besides that, I dont know if you have seen him drive, but in extraordinary surroundings he kills his fronts more than any other driver, and he's the one driver who needs the TC the most. I just dont like that style, and I am happy, that drivers with more smooth feel for the car show in those extraordinary circumstances, that they are superior.
Alonso for me is like an AI. Coded for a typical range of weather. If the real weather goes outside this, he's dropping down in terms of performance.
the last pitstop - even if made faster - wouldnt have helped him to get MS, cause MS was clearly slowing down in last 5 laps, and being about 0.5 to 1 sec faster isnt enough to overtake.
Alonso was so pissed, cause he knew, that it was part his mistake, to want new tires etc. Why dont you accept, what he says?
I'm so looking forward to next season, when those "I hate schu, that's why I love eyebrows" guys will get a good time by hoping for a Race-lasting McLaren :P
Besides that, I dont know if you have seen him drive, but in extraordinary surroundings he kills his fronts more than any other driver, and he's the one driver who needs the TC the most. I just dont like that style, and I am happy, that drivers with more smooth feel for the car show in those extraordinary circumstances, that they are superior.
Alonso for me is like an AI. Coded for a typical range of weather. If the real weather goes outside this, he's dropping down in terms of performance.
the last pitstop - even if made faster - wouldnt have helped him to get MS, cause MS was clearly slowing down in last 5 laps, and being about 0.5 to 1 sec faster isnt enough to overtake.
Alonso was so pissed, cause he knew, that it was part his mistake, to want new tires etc. Why dont you accept, what he says?
I'm so looking forward to next season, when those "I hate schu, that's why I love eyebrows" guys will get a good time by hoping for a Race-lasting McLaren :P
Hahahahaha very well put Vykos, agreed on all points
Next season I hope for a few things:
-McLaren at least as successful as Hakkinen era (and hopefully not an angry eedeeott jumping ship)
-Kimi does well in Ferrari
-New drivers to do fairly well and not be spoiled with bad cars
-Any team other than Ferrari, Renault, and McLaren to do good
All dreams
I was trying to say that Jenson Button has much better smoothness than Alonso. Just to clear this up.
The poor guy also has been through a heavy dose of bad luck, problems from underperforming cars to cars that blow up right before the finish line on the last lap. I wonder how well he would have done given a Ferrari/McLaren/Renault.
That is actually not a good thing to hope for
. I don't remember how many seasons did Häkkinen drive on McLaren but only on 2 of them the car was fast and reliable.[offtopic]And one reason why we got Sauber BMW BF1 instead of McLaren Mercedes F1 must be that the damage modelling in LFS isn't sophisiticated enough to inlude all the (huge) variations of damage one McLaren F1 car can have
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Yes I meant that era
McLaren's mechanical reliability was quite good at that time I think?
I think we should get Super Aguri and the "Super Best Friends" in LFS. Yet that last lap was pretty exciting in the F1 race, but its still humorous how shumacher lost such a huge f-cking lead, but still pissed that he won.
He was saving the car so it can make the second race without replasing the engine like Massa had to do this weekend. He didn't lose it in that way. More humorous was that Fisi lost his pace suddenly when Alonso was falling behind, team orders are banned but you still can use them if they don't look bad. And people blaime Ferrari for doing everything for max points
he said towards end of race he was "trottling back " to preserve his engine if thats through or not but in my opinion it looked like he was strugling towards the end of race :bananalla :bananalla
Nah cmon, he ALWAYS takes it easy when he's far in the lead. If you follow F1 you should really know that.
yes but not that much !!
He slowed down enough to take the win, that's the maximum you can get out of the situation, taking the win and saving the car. Did he look like he was struggling anyway...?
Again, he always does that.
you do have a point there i suppose !!but dam !!!he left it close
He often does - a win by two seconds is much better than a win by 30 seconds if you've got loads of life left in your engine. Alonso on the other hand had the revs turned up quite a lot until the very last few laps, so I know which engine I'd put my money on expiring at Suzuka.
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