That has nothing to do with your point that these cars are low tech because of the lack of driver aids, you have now redirected the point to "these cars are less forgiving" which is irrelevant, you are just using the same statement while diverting the original intent.
Critical to make the car quick, and have a close and competitive field. Why in F3 it's possible to have several chassis and engine manufacturers, is because people are pushing the evenlope of current technology, and because everyone is at a very high standard, the difference is marginal and so the performance level is somehow equal. If a company is not ultilizing the best technology available it will be nowhere in the competition.
Micheal schumacher has to pay for his first F1 drive, so yeah maybe he ain't professional. Professionalism is a manner at which people can compete and be successful in a certain field, and motorsports especially in single seater draws so much resource and no one would spend money in a driver who is not professional. why some driver have to pay for a drive, is probably due to lack of good management and straight out lack of interest from major sponsors.
okay, got that.
No, I've had a few sessons in rented formula renaults, and several kart seasons. But it's a great thing that you know that you are just expressing your own opinion.
You can define what is easy to drive and what is not base on your very own opinion alright, but the point of you making a post here is to get your point accross as a fact, that people with knowledge and common sense will agree. and because it's an objective view, it will have some importance probably to the devs, so they will review the physics or whatever.
And the way you define what is "difficult" "low tech" "professional" is really subjective and not very well accepted among this lot. (if you can't see it by now)So maybe you shall review you own perception, or sit in comfort knowing that we are all wrong and clueless, and the game shall change according to your single opinion.
Can I just add that technically 'Professional' does mean paid to drive. Someone who does it for nothing, or even pays to do it, is not a professional.
Unless I am a professional swimmer when I go to the local swimming pool, or a professional karter each time I 'arrive-and-drive'.
However, I don't think the term professional was originally used in this thread to define the pay status of the driver, but merely as a comparative term for describing the skill levels. 'You are a very professional driver' is a different meaning (in English) to 'You are a professional driver now, here's your first pay cheque'.
technicall it's part of the definition, however we also use the word professional on people who:
1. Conform to the standards of a profession: which means they perform just like what those who gets paid do, although they might not rip the reward at this very moment.
2. Having or showing great skill; expert: They develop a specialized skill that can be compared to the best in the business.
I think its not possible to clearly make the line between Amateurs and Professionels when it comes to Motorsport.
In football there are players at your local little club who get payed and call themselfs proudly a Professionell.
As JJ72 pointed out, Michael Schumacher like the majority of F1 drivers had to pay to drive. So he was no Pro when he arrived in F1? Make no mistake about it of course he was already, even tho he had to pay to drive.
In the smaller Formula Series drivers sell there last shirt to finance there Racing, some go deeply into debt until they find out there is no place for them in Motorsport. Not because there not talented but because Teams like drivers who pay the most.
Thats the ugly site of Motorsport. But the distinction between a Professionell and a Amateur is blurried in this Sport.
Wow, someone knows my racing experience without even knowing me . I've got about 3/4 years experience of thrashing about a kart at 70mph with sticky slicks. So as far as I'm concerned probably have a better understanding of car control and judging by your complaint about the F08 I gather you have no track experience.
If this is aimed at me then your totally wrong. There is quite a few things in LFS that aren't right yet but what your complaining about isn't one of them in my books and you've yet to state anything solid about what is wrong.
Yes, thats because I raced in the Vixen Challenge season 2 using the FOX. I still do the odd FOX race as it seems to be the most popular single seater. These days I'm always looking for something different like MRT, LXs etc. If there was a F08 server about at the time that is not using the oval I'd be there but there is never one with anyone else playing when I'm on.
Maybe in Brazil 'slight' is the same as the English 'mash it to the floor with no regard for anything'. In which case a 'slight' touch of the throttle WILL make it spin.
I liked that irony. But the answer is probably yes. Perhaps the kids here just smash the throttle like if there is no tomorrow, and that's why they win so many races and titles all over the world.
keiran,
I've been racing karts in the last years too. There's a lot of kart centers in every big city here, you just have to pay and race every weekend if you want to. Thousands and thousands of people race karts in the world. I don't understand why you say that I must have no track experience because of my complain about the FV8. Maybe you think racing is all about throttle. Maybe you think car control is all about throttle. Even if I'm wrong about the FV8 your 3-4 years of kart "experience", nor your best laps driving the FOX thousand times in Blackwood - that, by the way, are not that faster than mine although I have a very short history on this game - gives you the right to say you know more about car control than anyone here.
But as SkyNet pointed above, people declare their love to the car, but don't race it online. Based on reasons like "servers are not populated", "my friends don't race there etc", what is not a good answer, since in gaming world we are always seeing small groups of people playing their favorite games isolated and far from the masses, because they prefer an older version of a specific game, or a game type that nobody likes but them. And even with the unpopular FV8 it's possible to play online. Most of the time I play very late in the night and, mainly in weekends, always see at least one server running it, with just a few racers, true, but that would be enough to a FV8 enthusiast.
I'll give the car a try again someday cause I like its power and the way it sounds. And I'm probably wrong, maybe the FV8 should stay the way it is until S3. An adored car as I could see, but far from being the favorite, even to people who say it's the best expression of how a racing car should behave. Thanks for the discussion.
It sounds like your issue is oversteer when exiting the corner.
Gearing Ratios can solve this. The cars quaracter is not set in stone. You can set it up to meet your likings and your driving style. If you have a more aggressive driving style, you need a car that is stable and that gives you confidence in the middle of the corner to smash the throttle and not spin out.
You can drive aggresively and smash the throttle in the F08, but you cant do so if your Gearbox allows wheel spin exiting the corner. It's a Setup issue to have a car that allows for aggressive driving. You need to setup the car to that way that you dont have to be concerned about wheel spin when your in the corner.
If the car is setted up to meet your likings than you do not have to worry about stability, and you can concentrate on attacking the track.
Just because one or two Brazilians can drive does not automatically mean you can - you might well still be a pedal masher, and thus the argument applies. If you had the throttle control of Rubens 'I need to mash the throttle and let the electronics sort it out because I've forgotten what to do' Barrichello then I can understand you might not like the FO8.
Not true - I also love the MRT but it's rarely used online
I love the LX's, and they were rarely used until the last few months
I loved the FO8 pre-patch, but no one ever used it except on the oval
In all of these cases, despite enjoying them, I rarely actually drove them. I only drive offline to practice for leagues (e.g. tyre temp testing, where I'll do 80 laps, but no fun online where someone will ask for restarts every 6 laps). Now the LX is popular, it's the ONLY car I regularly drive, as it's the finest handling car in LFS. Online popularity DOES make a difference.
The FO8 is a extrememly lovely car with the latest patch, so adjustable, so benign, yet has an evil streak if you don't be nice to it.
I did some races on SO last nite. it was a free to chose server and many ppl were racing with BF1 s.But i used FO8 in most of the races and i was proud to be overtaking some BF1's.
I love the FO8, i love the engine sound, i love the braking ability of the car...
I'll stop you there before you embarrass yourself. What you claim is a kart is something powered by a 4 stroke gene engine that if it's an indoor centre probably does about 30mph if your lucky and has tyres that may as well be made of plastic I was talking about a 2 stroke that revs to about 15 000RPM and has some nice sticky tyres not made to last an entire year.
I wish that was true up here, then the clubs wouldn't be struggling to survive and having to do money raising events.
You said I didn't have any and judging by your complaint about the F08 can't have much yourself. Light taps of the throttle don't result in a spin in the BF1 with TC off yet alone the F08. You can hit the throttle quite hard in the F08 with enough room on the outside counter-steer to keep it in a straight line.
Well the throttle makes you go forward so is a key part in car control. You can balance a car on the throttle and use it to help weight transfer so yea I think it's one of the most important aspects in racing. Especially in a fairly powerful RWD single seater.
When did I say I know more about car control than anyone else Your putting words in my mouth People around here have driven the real thing and one of them has already posted in here that drives something very similar I said judging by your post I have a better understanding of car control than you do.
I haven't driven the FOX as much as I did before the latest patch. What exactly does having a faster lap mean? Especially when it's an online PB where you can easily get a draft. I know that I can quite confidently beat that PB if I wanted to spend hours in the FOX again and I know I can also average that sort of pace throughout a race.
These days I'm bored of the FOX and with the little time I have these days I like to race the other cars. MRT, LXs, FWD cars and even the F08 if I can get a race.
By the way just looked at your race history and it seems you struggle to get into the 8s, mid 9s to 10s is your usual fastest lap. You also seem to only ever race the FOX.
Just because a lot of people say they like the F08 here gives no reason why the servers aren't popular. Most people are from different countries and not to mention the vast majority of people that play LFS wont look up the forum. The F08 got a very bad name before the new physics patch and I still think it hasn't recovered from that.
The FOX is the easiest car in LFS. This means I now get little enjoyment from it, even if it does mean the racing is pretty close. I'd much rather have fewer good races in something where wheel-to-wheel racing really needs skill and thought than lots of mindless sprints in the FOX.
Having said that, it will always have a special place in my heart, because it's a lovely little car, just a smidgen too easy in this patch.
I enjoy driving the FO8 more than the BF1, although I have to admit that I've not done that many races online in either. I just feel much more involved in driving the FO8 - it's a much more raw driving experience.
Because the Sauber is duller that ditchwater unless you happen to be one of the dozen or so drivers capable of driving it properly, and also happen to racing the remaining 11 at the time.
99.999% of LFS drivers can't go really fast in a UF1, so how can they expect to be even vaguely non-noobish in a Sauber.
Haha... this ruins my impression of an F1 car, thought that they shuld be super-fast and super-kool (im being stupidly childish here). V8 looks like an f1 car from the 80s hehe
. I've got about 3/4 years experience of thrashing about a kart at 70mph with sticky slicks. So as far as I'm concerned probably have a better understanding of car control and judging by your complaint about the F08 I gather you have no track experience.
I was talking about a 2 stroke that revs to about 15 000RPM and has some nice sticky tyres not made to last an entire year.
Your putting words in my mouth 
