Quote from hardcoreobscure :

Im still unsure about this point, back when I could race online I used to frequent the AS National GTR servers, which were sometimes set to 20 laps, if they were half way through the race I would join to get some praccy.

I would never get in anyones way and be extra curtious as im not fighting for position, but if I came up to a driver very quickly who was obviously a lot slower than me, id tail them for a bit and pass when safe to do so. Now sometimes when this happened I would get spammed with "BLUE FALG MOVE OVER" and that did used to annoy me, afaik if you are consistantly faster and dont cause an accident its prefectly ok to cruise past

is this right?

Absolutely right. If you can pass then no one has the right to get verbal. If someone managed an opportunistic pass and then continued at a slower speed than the overtaken car, then it might be different.

I was just saying that if you're behind me in the positions then I will give no quarter and hold my line until I'm tired of you filling my mirrors!

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The guy with the blue-flag must not wait until the car is at his back before reacting on blue-flag...

This is nonsense - IRL you only get out of the way at the soonest safe opportunity. You cannot say absolutely that a slower car must get out of the way as soon as the blue flag is shown. If the traffic is busy, (eg. the slower car is itself involved in a passing manoevre) then the faster car may have to wait a bit until things settle.

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I don't know about unsolvable.

Me either. Just turn the chatter off.

well, you should not allow them to come close to you. just dont appear on the track where they are driving, its not that hard, just pit in/out if they approach or drive to the grass, thats it. i have never had such situation when someone hits me in the back because i'm not letting him to pass.
JUST DON'T GIVE him a reason to spam and yell

If you receive the blue flag, say coming out of T1 at Blackwood, and have made no effort to relinquish position to a faster car behind you by the time you reach the turn at the end of that long straight - you have little common sense, or racing sense.

Yes you might have to slow, as everyone is pretty fast on a straight, but there is no better place to let the pass occur, and you will definatly hold the person behind you up in the turn(s) ahead, and possibly end up causing both of you to crash.

On the other hand, same situation, but the slower car in front is battling another car directly in front of him for position, and I'm the faster car at the very back - I accept that there is a battle in front of me, and the only way I'm getting around is by some miracle / mistake , or incredible draft.
I can't expect them to stop their battle. It's going to be tricky to get by them, and I could lose a position because of this.

THATS racing. You can't always get around slower cars because you 'need' to. On the other hand, there is NO reason for a single slow car to hold up any faster car.

What is bewildering is the mid race joiners, who are several laps down and make no effort to relinquish a position, despite the fact that every other person on the track is well ahead, so it doesn't matter who's on their bumper, they are legitimately needing to get by.

I suspect that people not responding quickly ( or at all ) to Blue Flag messages have often not been in the position of being in front of a race for 90% of it, only to have it ruined by a slower driver with a blatant lack of common sense.

Quote from traxxion :

Word.

Don't get your point...

Quote from avenger1 :

well, you should not allow them to come close to you. just dont appear on the track where they are driving, its not that hard, just pit in/out if they approach or drive to the grass, thats it. i have never had such situation when someone hits me in the back because i'm not letting him to pass.
JUST DON'T GIVE him a reason to spam and yell

LOL - Pit?! Drive to the grass?! You are joking? If a faster car can't pass me if I yield and go off line, then he has had his chance!

But then personally, I'd also ban track maps, and the magical pit crew that can fix a wreck in seconds. Crash and you join the spectators in the pitlane! Happy Christmas? Humbug!

LOL

Quote from nihil :

LOL - Pit?! Drive to the grass?! You are joking? If a faster car can't pass me if I yield and go off line, then he has had his chance!

But then personally, I'd also ban track maps, and the magical pit crew that can fix a wreck in seconds. Crash and you join the spectators in the pitlane! Happy Christmas? Humbug!

LOL

i have made a mistake, off course you should not pit in if you're on 8th lap, and your opponent - on 9th, i'm talking about people who just joined the server.
you probably think im stupid enough to pit in everytime when someone comes nearby, we are talking about completely different things.
see you on the track

Quote from avenger1 :

i have made a mistake, off course you should not pit in or out if you're on 8th lap, and your opponent - on 9th, i'm talking about people who just joined the server

Ah, sorry... Fair 'nuff...

The only time I mind a blue flag is when the guy flagging me can't actually catch me. He's 100 yards behind me and not gaining but he wants me to throw my car into the gravel so he can get by. If you can't lap me, don't blue flag me.

Quote from GianniC :

Don't get your point...

It means you're right.

I don't yield for blue flag, only if I know for sure it's the leader of the race, otherwise, if he's little more back in the pack, I'll race him. As far as I'm concerned we both enjoy doing that, because I can immediately start racing, and for him the race ain't over yet.

Quote from sgt.flippy :

It means you're right.

I don't yield for blue flag, only if I know for sure it's the leader of the race, otherwise, if he's little more back in the pack, I'll race him. As far as I'm concerned we both enjoy doing that, because I can immediately start racing, and for him the race ain't over yet.

but for him the race isn't with you. he may have chosen a strategy for the whole race, and only cares about finishing well against the other cars he started against, not about racing for 2 or 3 corners against you. a race is bigger than that, and if you decide for him that it will be more fun to "race" you while he's in the middle of a real race, you could spoil everything for him. maybe he's just fought someone for 3 laps who is now in the pits, and he has clear track ahead, but you decide to get in his way...

personally, i love a clean race, but i would ram you off the track if you did this to me, because it's obvious that you have no respect for other drivers, and can't be reasoned with. a blue flag is a blue flag, no matter who you think you are.

Ramming people off the track, you're true to your name.

Quote from evilgeek :

... i would ram you off the track ... because it's obvious that you have no respect for other drivers ...

Double-standard with a side order of hypocrisy. Fries with that?

Quote from sgt flippy :

I don't yield for blue flag, only if I know for sure it's the leader of the race, otherwise, if he's little more back in the pack, I'll race him. As far as I'm concerned we both enjoy doing that, because I can immediately start racing, and for him the race ain't over yet.

*sigh* it doesn't matter if it's the leader or a mid-fielder, if you get a blue flag you must yield to someone who's lapping you. They can be in last place but if they're a lap ahead, they're still a lap ahead and you still must yield. Deal with it! If it's evilgeek, Phlos or senna 87, take care to do it quickly or prepare to eat wall

The ignorance of RL racing rules & etiquette on this forum sometimes blows my mind!

Quote from Hankstar :

If it's evilgeek, Phlos or senna 87, take care to do it quickly or prepare to eat wall

Someday somebody will come up with some great video of senna87 driving around a supermarket car park and "firing off" Volvos that don't yield quickly enough for his taste.

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The ignorance of RL racing rules & etiquette on this forum sometimes blows my mind!

Scary huh? You'd think this group of people would be naturally interested to educate themselves a little.

Edit: that came out wrong. Obviously lots of people here are highly knowledgeable about motorsport. I'm just wondering why there's a minority who (for example) don't know what a blue flag means.

LOL at the image of a hotshot FOX running around a mall carpark punting Volvos

Yep, I sure didn't mean to indict the whole community with my comment. Most people I've raced know what the story is. What really blows my mind is that a minority of people (yet still a significant number) are happy to display their ignorace publicly, even when they have this massively infinite resource called The Internet available to help clarify things. Sure, most of it is porn or conspiracy theories or whorespace junk but if you know where to look, nuggets of truth can be found!

Well I guess people have there own opinion of " BLUE FLAG " but when a server declined connection because of one punk who rammed me of the track and instantly I'm a " BANNER. " I dont have much positive things to say about the problem, and I really wish people would stop the BS about blue flags. I do let up on gas on straight away or go wide on a corner, but I dont agree with spaming BLUE FLAG before you see me or if I cant see you in mirror.

Quote from jtr99 :

Someday somebody will come up with some great video of senna87 driving around a supermarket car park and "firing off" Volvos that don't yield quickly enough for his taste.



Scary huh? You'd think this group of people would be naturally interested to educate themselves a little.

Edit: that came out wrong. Obviously lots of people here are highly knowledgeable about motorsport. I'm just wondering why there's a minority who (for example) don't know what a blue flag means.

I think you may thank F1 for that, because they are the only series that keep changing the blue flag rules, and (overly) strictly enforce them.

Of course, everybody respects the blue flag. It's just that there are so many shades of blue...

These blue flag discussions never lead anywhere. Mods, could you do the same as with "I've been banned" threads? That is, lock them and refer to a sticky like this thread.

Quote from Hankstar :

*sigh* it doesn't matter if it's the leader or a mid-fielder, if you get a blue flag you must yield to someone who's lapping you. They can be in last place but if they're a lap ahead, they're still a lap ahead and you still must yield. Deal with it! If it's evilgeek, Phlos or senna 87, take care to do it quickly or prepare to eat wall

The ignorance of RL racing rules & etiquette on this forum sometimes blows my mind!

I mean, when that person is way behind, and I'm possitivily sure he's not fighting for a position, and I only do it in small races, like 4-5 laps, it's not like a lot of people have a pit strategy for those

If I really annoy someone with it, he'll probably let me know, and then I'll let him pass, I'm not making it dangerous, or at least try not to

Quote from TypeRCivic :

Well I guess people have there own opinion of " BLUE FLAG " but when a server declined connection because of one punk who rammed me of the track and instantly I'm a " BANNER. " I dont have much positive things to say about the problem, and I really wish people would stop the BS about blue flags. I do let up on gas on straight away or go wide on a corner, but I dont agree with spaming BLUE FLAG before you see me or if I cant see you in mirror.

Cause and effect...
Don't let it worry you too much, just choose another server. There are lots out there.

I have little patients for drivers who don't pay attention. It is one of my faults I guess. I voted to kick a guy last night because he did not honor the blue flag, tried to race me, then blocked me into a corner. I did punt him, but not intentionally. I voted to kick him just to get his attention. I knew the rest of the guys on the server would not vote with me, they much prefer to teach and guide rather than punish.

If you wreck a lot and rejoin from the pits, are very much slower than everybody else on a server, or you become a moving chicane, even if you do try to observe the blue flags most of the time, you will still get booted or banned from some servers.

Pick another car or another server where the competition level is more suited for you. Or, if you are experienced, and it is just a new track/car combo for you, practice offline for a bit until you get up to speed.

I think that most people agree, as do I, that spamming Blue flag binds at cars that are way out of range is annoying, but is nothing worth worrying about too much. Just do your best, and if people are still being stupid about it, just pick a different server.

There is only 1 Blue Flag rule in LFS and this is from their own documentation...

""""Blue Flag

A blue flag tells you that a car behind is in a higher position than you are. The action you will take depends on your situation. Let's examine the two likely situations where a blue flag will appear in Live For Speed.

- If you are being lapped by a faster car: The car behind you is consistently faster than you and has managed to travel one more lap than you have. He is about to overtake you and the blue flag is displayed to warn you of his presence.
In this case you are hindering his progress and must allow him to pass you as soon as it is safe to do so (you can't be expected to yield while negotiating a chicane or high speed corner) Hold your line don't fight the other car, do not make any sudden movements left or right, ease off slightly and let him pass. He is a lap ahead of you and you are not fighting him for position. You must not hold him up."""


NOTE to SLOWER DRIVERS....

Generally it is accepted that you hold your line and make no sudden or defensive moves, allowing the faster car to overtake you.
You will earn respect from all drivers for acting sensibly and fairly when faced with a blue or yellow flag.

NOTE to Faster drivers...

Approaching a slower driver, do not RAM people in the entrance of a turn. You are the experienced driver. Let up a bit. Analyse the driver in front of you a sec. When you see your chance, pass em. fast exit and roll past on the straight or whatever. That is all there is to it.

From a rookies standpoint I guess. But that's how it seems to work best.

I NEVER pull off the track just because some guy wants by. No one has been upset with me yet. knock on wood.

C.

IMO any driver who expects drivers to deploy the anchors on a straight, drive off track or shift-s to let him through should be licence banned - the blue flag only means to not block them.

Then why is it F1 drivers get a drive-trought penalty if they not go off the line to let faster drivers pass? The slower driver must imo be the one to go off the gas.. Especially if they have just joined the server. Imo you don't have much rights when you just join a server when a race is already going on.

Quote from Darkone55 :

Then why is it F1 drivers get a drive-trought penalty if they not go off the line to let faster drivers pass? The slower driver must imo be the one to go off the gas.. Especially if they have just joined the server. Imo you don't have much rights when you just join a server when a race is already going on.

the rules in F1 are a slightly bit different because of the difficulty to overtake

and you get that penalty only if you pass 3 successful blue flags and not let the faster car by. Which isn't an instant let through either

Quote from Darkone55 :

Then why is it F1 drivers get a drive-trought penalty if they not go off the line to let faster drivers pass? The slower driver must imo be the one to go off the gas.. Especially if they have just joined the server. Imo you don't have much rights when you just join a server when a race is already going on.

Yes, and no... Alonso got a penalty for alledgedly blocking Massa even though Massa was so far away I doubt LFS would have given even a blue flag message. Those are the F1 adaptations of Blue Flag rules. They have no connection to the normal racing blue flag rules, other than the color of the used flag.

F1 is really a bad series to use for basing your blue flag rules on, because they are really different from other forms of racing.

There's absolutely no point in holding up a car trying to lap you. The longer you hold a faster car behind you, the more time you lose yourself.